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[themoob]

themoob, on 21 December 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Thanks. I just signed up for Isengrim forums, details will be there soon.

Wait nevermiond, contacted Isengrim ages ago

[MischiefSC]

Abivard, on 21 December 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

It seems that Steiner and the Clans have come to some kind of cease fire arrangement.

Yesterday marked the second day of clan units NOT attacking Steiner and Steiner units NOT attacking clans.
Steiner meanwhile has been pushing hard against the snakes and other IS, while avoiding border incidents with the FRR.

Clan Wolf is concentrated on The FRR after Striking hard blows on the Clan Jade Falcons(LORDS) over the last few days, the same CJF that had been pressing Steiner so direly!

CGB continues to thrust into kurtian space along the FRR border which has cut off all CSJ attack routes to the FRR.

It is time for all FRR units to vigorously increase thier counter offensive against the clan, only we in the FRR can carry the fight TO the clan, all the rest of the IS is able to help defend planets from Clan aggression and tyranny.

We are the Chosen few, do not fail in your duty to be the spear head of Attacks into Clan held space!

I dropped with the 228th on the Steiner border earlier today, it's still active. I just think the Falcons and Wolves are tired of trying to extract 228th infantry boots from their backside every time they push. Perhaps they'll take up knitting.

Due props on your successes recently FRR. Hard work, victories well and worthy won.

[Mordin Ashe]

I plused OP to keep the spirits high. Your counteroffensive is over though, Wolves and Bears have finished purchasing gifts and have time to play again.

[Warchild Corsair]

@themoob appreciate your efforts, though the Legion was not able to provide substantial support just yet. One thought though - the plannings could use more ... secrecy

[themoob]

It's the internet, there's no such thing as secrecy

Especially when the UI tells you how many players are attacking/defending each planet anyway haha.

[luxebo]

I think we lost Hanover. We gotta move forward or we might end as the lore speaks.

themoob, on 21 December 2014 - 12:15 AM, said:

What's your unit's website luxebo? I've been trying to organise a multi-unit counteroffensive (have 6 atm), always need more especially since people are too addicted to "easy" defending.

Um here I believe is Iron Serpent's web: http://ironserpent.enjin.com/

They use Raidcall more than anything. I did play a handful of games with em but I'm not directly part of them, just invited by em to the FRR.

Edited by luxebo, 22 December 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[luxebo]

We are losing a lot of ground. I think the best bet is to focus down a certain Clan first and then go from there; Ghost Bear is taking up a lot of our space and we need that back, so that should be our target. Wolf, Jade Falcon, and Smoke Jaguar have been eating up territory in both Steiner and Kurita as well. We could also try to strike either House to the left or right in order to gain a small advantage, it's up to you all.

[MischiefSC]

Davion ran a dozen matches on your Wolves border tonight, won 11, lost 1. We respect the tough spot you are in and when opportunity permits are happy to lend aid. We are also happy to remind them that the closer they come the harder it's going to get. We can feed Clanners into the grinder all day long. It's like a vacation from the Marik/Liao/Kurita borders.

This is entirely my opinion and in no way represents anyone but myself -

You have absolutely not advantage at all in attacking Steiner or Kurita. Hold what you can but the less fronts you have the more troops you have to deploy. I'll be blunt; stacking units to defend against the 228th is like throwing money at Steiner to come kill you. There isn't going to be a point where you're going to stop them. See if they'll stop at just taking back the worlds you took and call it good.

Bears, the Bears you can handle. You've beaten them already. Wolves have closed their Steiner border and have a lot of troops - they can split between offense and defense very easily. Stack defense and focus on holding the Wolves and you'll add your numbers to the pugs and allies who drop there with you. This leverages your allies and pugs to best defend against the Wolves. Attack and you more or less waste your drop cycles; you're not going to take anything from the wolves and they've got enough people to grind them out on turrets when you go away. While you are attacking them you leave mostly pug and whatever allied units are around to mind your defenses; less than ideal. Leave the wolves nothing but a wall to claw at and sooner or later they'll look to a Clanner border, or one will look to them. That is a hazard that will keep however. Especially if you are pushing hard on the Bears and the Wolves smell blood on the wind from their currently very bloated neighbor.

Lock down defenses, ignore attacks save the Bears and see how they like trying to man all their Clan borders plus both IS borders attack and defense. Swallow your pride and give Steiner back what was taken and hope they're content with it. Units sent to the Steiner front is just soldiers time wasted.

Fortune favor you.

[themoob]

FRR has 4 enemies around it, and not many players (with corps leaving every day for the easier factions). Currently all organised FRR units are up against the Wolves and Ghost Bears. But it's simply not enough. Focus on one clan, lose ground to the other clan and 2 IS factions. Need to focus on two.

The problem is, people keep going to "easy" defend missions which always end up losing due to pugs being rolled with ease. FRR units need to keep attacking, not defending.

Well and the second major problem is that a lot of units are leaving the FRR because it's hard/frustrating/pointless.

[Redoxin]

Abivard, on 21 December 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

It seems that Steiner and the Clans have come to some kind of cease fire arrangement.

Yesterday marked the second day of clan units NOT attacking Steiner and Steiner units NOT attacking clans.
Steiner meanwhile has been pushing hard against the snakes and other IS, while avoiding border incidents with the FRR.

Clan Wolf is concentrated on The FRR after Striking hard blows on the Clan Jade Falcons(LORDS) over the last few days, the same CJF that had been pressing Steiner so direly!

CGB continues to thrust into kurtian space along the FRR border which has cut off all CSJ attack routes to the FRR.

It is time for all FRR units to vigorously increase thier counter offensive against the clan, only we in the FRR can carry the fight TO the clan, all the rest of the IS is able to help defend planets from Clan aggression and tyranny.

We are the Chosen few, do not fail in your duty to be the spear head of Attacks into Clan held space!

There is a temporary ceasefire agreeement between Wolves and Steiner, but the war against Jade Falcons is ongoing and extremely intense. Notice that Jade Falcons only fight Steiner and noone else. This means that up to 80% of Steiner forces are committed to the fight vs the Falcons.
The few Steiner battles with Kurita and Marik are only skirmishes in comparison.

Edited by Redoxin, 23 December 2014 - 02:20 AM.

[Redoxin]

themoob, on 23 December 2014 - 01:59 AM, said:

FRR has 4 enemies around it, and not many players (with corps leaving every day for the easier factions). Currently all organised FRR units are up against the Wolves and Ghost Bears. But it's simply not enough. Focus on one clan, lose ground to the other clan and 2 IS factions. Need to focus on two.

The problem is, people keep going to "easy" defend missions which always end up losing due to pugs being rolled with ease. FRR units need to keep attacking, not defending.

Well and the second major problem is that a lot of units are leaving the FRR because it's hard/frustrating/pointless.

I dont quite get the negativity here, FRR has been doing much better than Kurita, Liao or Steiner.

[MischiefSC]

Redoxin, on 23 December 2014 - 02:16 AM, said:

I dont quite get the negativity here, FRR has been doing much better than Kurita, Liao or Steiner.

Why don't you look at the Liao and Marik maps, or Kuritas southern border. Look at the brutal drubbing Steiner took for the first week. You guys are doing very well for being front-row for the invasion. As more and more IS groups start finding that rolling against Clanners is like clubbing seals for free money you're going to keep getting more and more coordinated units rolling on your border.

I might recommend sending someone to the Davion and Steiner teamspeaks and asking for some focus on what worlds to defend; you shift more foreign units to defending a single world (wolf/CGB border) and it'll better let you organize in house defense. Can't speak for anyone but if I knew that Davion preferred us to stack up on whatever world CGB or Wolf was attacking we'd go there for it. Doesn't take a lot of coordination, just general guidelines.

[IraqiWalker]

themoob, on 23 December 2014 - 01:59 AM, said:

FRR has 4 enemies around it, and not many players (with corps leaving every day for the easier factions). Currently all organised FRR units are up against the Wolves and Ghost Bears. But it's simply not enough. Focus on one clan, lose ground to the other clan and 2 IS factions. Need to focus on two.

The problem is, people keep going to "easy" defend missions which always end up losing due to pugs being rolled with ease. FRR units need to keep attacking, not defending.

Well and the second major problem is that a lot of units are leaving the FRR because it's hard/frustrating/pointless.

We need to get the other IS factions to stop attacking the FRR. You guys have made great headway against the Wolves, and are holding back the bears as well. I know Kurita isn't attacking you, and we in Davion have been helping with the defense (only because we can't attack clan worlds. Or we would be stabbing into them right now.

If FRR leadership and Steiner leadership can find a way to get a truce (either through planet trading, or a cease-fire, or something), then the fedcom's forces can truly focus on the clans. Sadly Davion also has to deal with a war on 3 fronts. With none of the factions willing to negotiate for peace. So, if things come down to it, Davion might end up cutting through the FRR's neighbors to get close to the clans.


Also, strategically speaking. The best thing that has happened to the FRR right now is CGB cutting off the jaguars from your borders. Carve through bear space when you can, but make sure you keep those CGB worlds in their control. Force the clans to fight one another over them. If CGB loses those worlds, that's fewer battles for you to fight with them, and it's days wasted between them and CSJ attacking and defending. If they keep them, they are busy allocating a lot of resources to maintain their hold over them, and trying to establish lines (through conquering planets adjacent to them) with them again.

My personal best scenario:

All IS factions form a unanimous cease-fire (think of it as the second Star League), Kurita, FRR, and Steiner attack clan worlds, and only attack clan worlds. While Davion, Liao, and Marik defend IS border worlds, and only defend IS border worlds.

Or PGI gives us the option to have alliances forged between the houses based on the decisions of the unit councils (with Solo droppers being allowed to not adhere to them, since they are not part of a unit.), and we can focus the entire might of the Inner Sphere on the destruction of the clans. Even if they have top notch teams, and good players. They can't halt the charge of our stampede.

[IraqiWalker]

MischiefSC, on 23 December 2014 - 03:38 PM, said:

Why don't you look at the Liao and Marik maps, or Kuritas southern border. Look at the brutal drubbing Steiner took for the first week. You guys are doing very well for being front-row for the invasion. As more and more IS groups start finding that rolling against Clanners is like clubbing seals for free money you're going to keep getting more and more coordinated units rolling on your border.

I might recommend sending someone to the Davion and Steiner teamspeaks and asking for some focus on what worlds to defend; you shift more foreign units to defending a single world (wolf/CGB border) and it'll better let you organize in house defense. Can't speak for anyone but if I knew that Davion preferred us to stack up on whatever world CGB or Wolf was attacking we'd go there for it. Doesn't take a lot of coordination, just general guidelines.

That too. In HHoD, without even needing to log into the website or teamspeak, we have in Unit chat the message of the day, which includes which planets are to be attacked, and which ones are to be defended. You think Wazan and Mentasta have remained Davion worlds for the last 4 days due to lack of trying on the Liaos, and Mariks' side? Nope, it's because every pilot we had, received the orders to defend those worlds. Even the casual ones who don't get on TS3 much, or even get on the website more than once a month.

Same applies to how we helped re-take Old Kentucky.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 23 December 2014 - 04:03 PM.

[Klappspaten]

Redoxin, on 23 December 2014 - 02:16 AM, said:

I dont quite get the negativity here, FRR has been doing much better than Kurita, Liao or Steiner.

Easy, we have a lot less territory to lose than you guys.
You guys are fighting to keep what is yours, but we have been fighting for survival right from day one.

After the first crazy days almost all our organised attacks against steiner space had stoped. You could have decided to join forces with your IS brothers and form a united front against the clans, but you chose not to. Now stop crying and accept what you get for your betrayal.

[Richard Warts]

Redoxin, on 23 December 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

There is a temporary ceasefire agreeement between Wolves and Steiner, but the war against Jade Falcons is ongoing and extremely intense. Notice that Jade Falcons only fight Steiner and noone else. This means that up to 80% of Steiner forces are committed to the fight vs the Falcons.

Good to know, this means that the next FRR offensive should be aimed at the Lyrans and Wolves.

[MischiefSC]

IraqiWalker, on 23 December 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

That too. In HHoD, without even needing to log into the website or teamspeak, we have in Unit chat the message of the day, which includes which planets are to be attacked, and which ones are to be defended. You think Wazan and Mentasta have remained Davion worlds for the last 4 days due to lack of trying on the Liaos, and Mariks' side? Nope, it's because every pilot we had, received the orders to defend those worlds. Even the casual ones who don't get on TS3 much, or even get on the website more than once a month.

Same applies to how we helped re-take Old Kentucky.

Having pugged every available front, repeatedly, I'm confident saying that Davion is the best organized and coordinated military presence in any faction. I can drop with Davion units I've never met and still be confident that we're both aware of the same tactics and approach things the same way.

Also, save when I drop with actual FRR units in defense of FRR space, there are more Swords and Suns pugging there than any other single faction.

[Klappspaten]

MischiefSC, on 23 December 2014 - 07:33 PM, said:

Also, save when I drop with actual FRR units in defense of FRR space, there are more Swords and Suns pugging there than any other single faction.

And they are welcome.

[IraqiWalker]

Klappspaten, on 23 December 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

And they are welcome.

We enjoy helping out. I just hate the fact that I'm defending a faction that is being attacked by IS factions as well. It's like all my efforts are in vain. We need EVERYONE to band and make sure the FRR doesn't fall.

[luxebo]

I'll thank you all on the HHoD, but regardless we are still losing ground near the FRR. What about capital planets? Will we affect them at all or are they simply settled in? We are losing more and more ground everyday as the wolves and bears are eating our defenses. We gotta make a severe offense to either the Ghost Bear or the Wolves.

Besides planet wise, have you guys found an easier way to make an offense? It seems that the Clanners have such a severely powerful range that not even a well coordinated FRR group can make a dent in the Clanner's base. Every single time I ask that the Clanner's shouldn't get such an advantage, and every single time someone responds "but you have better lights and brawlers!" The issue is that it's not even possible to use em well since you just instantly die off. There is no cover at all on both maps, so it's hard to get an advantage as the attacker.

So the question is not which guys we need to make a push into (it's gonna be the Wolves and Ghost Bears), but how are we gonna do it? It looks bleak.