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[Metus regem]

red devil2, on 04 March 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Still terrible, but at least a bit faster: AS7-D-DC

Just as bad, but better speed: AS7-D-DC

[charov]

Metus regem, on 04 March 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Just as bad, but better speed: AS7-D-DC

Not fair, you changed weapons!

Btw, I miss the good old Atlas Founder with 3xLL, AC20, 2xSRM4..

[Metus regem]

red devil2, on 04 March 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Not fair, you changed weapons!

Btw, I miss the good old Atlas Founder with 3xLL, AC20, 2xSRM4..

All is fair in love and war

- John Lyly

[Cimarb]

Screenshots of Zeus and Grasshopper posted: https://twitter.com/...679440686813184

http://mwomercs.com/...eus-screenshots

Edited by Cimarb, 05 March 2015 - 07:09 PM.

[Nathan Foxbane]

They look nice.

[CycKath]

The Grasshopper... its off to me. The Enforcer didn't bother me that much, but the Grasshopper didn't translate well at all.

The Zeus though, it definitely looks the part. Guess we'll have to see how the hitboxes play out. If the shoulder barrels are all side torso, very XL unfriendly.

Edited by CycKath, 05 March 2015 - 10:11 PM.

[Ens]

That´s me right now. Fo´ real.... i tell ya´ !!!!!

Edited by Ens, 06 March 2015 - 01:04 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

CycKath, on 05 March 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

The Grasshopper... its off to me. The Enforcer didn't bother me that much, but the Grasshopper didn't translate well at all.

I think the head could have been a bit more rounded (and probably other parts of the mech as well), but overall I am happy with it. In a way, I still feel the Enforcer looks a bit more "awkward". Still, I can see where you would think the grasshopper looks a bit off.

Its funny. To me the Grasshopper's design could have been "softened" a bit, and the Shadow Cat's design could have been "hardened" a bit. Seems like the design themes got crossed a tiny bit.

Regardless, still good looking mechs when all is said and done.

[-Skyrider-]

Just remember that one reason the grasshopper might look a bit off is because of the Resistance added geometry giving it all the wiring and spiked shoulders. But I still like it though

[Bishop Steiner]

MeiSooHaityu, on 06 March 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

I think the head could have been a bit more rounded (and probably other parts of the mech as well), but overall I am happy with it. In a way, I still feel the Enforcer looks a bit more "awkward". Still, I can see where you would think the grasshopper looks a bit off.

Its funny. To me the Grasshopper's design could have been "softened" a bit, and the Shadow Cat's design could have been "hardened" a bit. Seems like the design themes got crossed a tiny bit.

Regardless, still good looking mechs when all is said and done.

Best way I've heard it described. The Shadowcat art is indeed a little too roundy for me. I like the slender hard edged legs of the original TRO art. Hoping the non Invasions ones are a little less doughboy in the legs.

CycKath, on 05 March 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

The Grasshopper... its off to me. The Enforcer didn't bother me that much, but the Grasshopper didn't translate well at all.

The Zeus though, it definitely looks the part. Guess we'll have to see how the hitboxes play out. If the shoulder barrels are all side torso, very XL unfriendly.

to be fair, at this angle, the head is hard to judge for certain, but the rest looks real good to me. And the head still looks better than the Shadowhawk or Wolverine, to me.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 March 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

...to be fair, at this angle, the head is hard to judge for certain, but the rest looks real good to me. And the head still looks better than the Shadowhawk or Wolverine, to me.

That is true.

The concept art is from the left side that shows the slope of the canopy (giving the head a more rounded feel). Our initial images are head on (if not a bit right side biased). It might make the head seem more square and flatter than it really is.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 06 March 2015 - 07:24 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

MeiSooHaityu, on 06 March 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

That is true.

The concept art is from the left side that shows the slope of the canopy (giving the head a more rounded feel). Our initial images are head on (if not a bit right side biased). It might make the head seem more square and flatter than it really is.

indeed, and if you blow it up, the front on you can still see the canopy appears to be rounded.(ish)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 March 2015 - 07:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Also, on th eshadow cat am I the only one who is a little..unsmitten by the legs?
Alex's version

(with one of Hayden's wonderful repaints)

Original TRO

Modified to match

(also a hayden repaint that I sorta butchered...sorry man.)
Plus it would be nice to have a different style of legs, wouldn't it?

[CDLord HHGD]

I think the thing is gorgeous. But as I have said before I have the artistic talent of a dull rock so I am easily impressed. Still trying to weasel money out of the old lady for the package...

[Virlutris]

With the relatively slender profile, I'm hoping the Grasshopper's hitboxes are as good as the ones we got for the Panther and Enforcer. Zeus, I'm not so sure.

[Metus regem]

I'm glad to see, that I'm not the only one that finds the Shadow Cat's legs a little.... Off, I guess? They seem like they belong to something that weighs a good bit more than 45t....

[Odanan]

I'm reading the book "Falcon Guard" and in the end of chapter 32 we get some info about Diana Pryde's custom Warhawk. Here is a good idea for Warhawk hero mech:

- The mech has jump jets (probably 4);
- The mechs has PPCs;
- The mech has medium lasers (no mention if they are ER or Pulse though).

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 06 March 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'm reading the book "Falcon Guard" and in the end of chapter 32 we get some info about Diana Pryde's custom Warhawk. Here is a good idea for Warhawk hero mech:

- The mech has jump jets (probably 4);
- The mechs has PPCs;
- The mech has medium lasers (no mention if they are ER or Pulse though).

Just got to wonder if it was actualyl TT viable.

Remember Vlad Ward's Executioner form Phelan's Trial of Position? Had over 42 tons of weaponry......on a mech that carries about 27.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 March 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Just got to wonder if it was actualyl TT viable.

Remember Vlad Ward's Executioner form Phelan's Trial of Position? Had over 42 tons of weaponry......on a mech that carries about 27.

Of that, 15t were plot tonnage.... So they don't count.

That or the wrighter ment Dire Wolf, but autocorrect made it Executioner?

Edited by Metus regem, 06 March 2015 - 04:13 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Odanan, on 06 March 2015 - 10:29 AM, said:

I'm reading the book "Falcon Guard" and in the end of chapter 32 we get some info about Diana Pryde's custom Warhawk. Here is a good idea for Warhawk hero mech:

- The mech has jump jets (probably 4);
- The mechs has PPCs;
- The mech has medium lasers (no mention if they are ER or Pulse though).

Bishop Steiner, on 06 March 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Just got to wonder if it was actualyl TT viable.

Remember Vlad Ward's Executioner form Phelan's Trial of Position? Had over 42 tons of weaponry......on a mech that carries about 27.

We know that Diana's Warhawk Masakari mounts at least one CERPPC.
"Diana returned fire with a blast from her extended-range PPC, knocking out the Centurion's center-torso medium laser." - Falcon Guard, ch. 25
"Firing her PPC, she watched as the bolt of unbound lighting hit paydirt. The Vindicator rocked backward, then went up in an explosion so massive it almost took out a pair of lighter 'Mechs." - - Falcon Guard, ch. 32

It also possess an unknown number of "medium lasers" (which, in ch. 32 of Falcon Guard, Diana uses to decapitate a ComStar 'Mech; "They shot off an arm from one of the ComStar 'Mechs, giving MechWarrior Diana a chance to fire with all her medium lasers straight into the cockpit of the other 'Mech."). However, it is not specified as to whether these are CERMLs or CMPLs.

Chapter 37 of Falcon Guard, where the unit is escaping by having all of their 'Mechs jump to the middle of a makeshift bridge, then make a second jump to complete the crossing, indicated that all of the Falcon Guard 'Mechs (including Diana's Masakari) have Jump Jets.
Moreover, ch. 29 of Falcon Guard indicates that the river to be crossed (the Prezno River) " is some two hundred-fifty meters wide at its narrowest crossing", meaning that a 'Mech would have to be able to jump at least ~125 meters in order to cross in two bounds - meaning that all of the Falcon Guard 'Mechs would need to mount at least four (4) Jump Jets each (the extra five (5) meters can be fudged, or perhaps the 250-meter estimate for the river's width is off by 10 meters...). The same chapter also indicates that Aidan ordered all of the Falcon Guards' 'Mechs to be outfitted with Jump Jets.

Now, we can combine this with what we know about the Masakari's fixed equipment & pod space:

• Both legs are filled with fixed CDHS.
  
• The Left Torso is filled with two Engine crits, a quartet of fixed CDHS, and two fixed Ferro-Fibrous crits.
  
• The Right Torso houses two Engine crits, one fixed CDHS, two fixed Ferro-Fibrous crits, and the Targeting computer, leaving up to six (6) free crits in that location
  
• The Center Torso has two free crits.
  
• The Head crit is filled with a fixed Ferro-Fibrous crit.
  
• Each arm houses two fixed Ferro-Fibrous crits, leaving up to eight (8) free crits in each arm.
  
• The base Masakari has 32.50 tons of pod space available.

Jump Jets for the 85-ton Masakari would weigh 1 ton each, and the TC would consume 1 ton & 1 crit for every five (5) tons of direct-fire weaponry (rounded up to the nearest ton/crit).

With four JJs (two in the CT, and two in the RT), Diana's Masakari would have 28.50 tons of pod space remaining & 4 crits remaining for its TC (allowing it to accommodate up to 20 tons of direct-fire weaponry).

One possible usage of the remaining pod space (28.50 tons) is to have one CERPPC (as the novel descriptions seem to imply that Diana only has a single (ER)PPC weapon on her Masakari), a LRM-10 + 1 ton of ammo (from the prime config; it helps to address that pesky half-ton), a septet of CMPLs, a 4-ton/4-crit TC, and two extra CDHS.
The CMPLs would all go in one arm, with the other arm holding the CERPPC, the LRM launcher & its ammo, and the extra DHS.

Seven CMPLs firing at once would generate 28 units of heat, while the proposed loadout for Diana's Masakari would have 22 CDHS, for an effective total of 44 units of cooling - it would be more than enough to handle making the salvo described in the novel.
Further, we can assume that Diana just never used the LRM launcher, for whatever reason(s).

Thoughts?