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Juodas Varnas, on 30 December 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

Wait, how do we know that?

Did i miss an announcement or a tweet or something?

I didn't know that Cyclops is even "confirmed"!

Well way back before resistance pack 1, they put up a poll for various mechs, like Black Knight vs Grasshopper and Cyclops vs Zuse. Both mechs in each of those polls had art work finished apparently, but we the players had to choose one with out any art work being shown.

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 December 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

back when they did the poll for the Mauler, Zeus or Cyclops, Black Knight or Grasshopper didn't they say the arts were in for all, but they wanted a "blind poll" or something?

Ah...
Wow, that was a long time ago (they really could've released the concept art some time by now)

[ExAstra]

Odanan, on 27 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Clan mechs.

There are 16 clan onmimechs used in the very beginning of the invasion (IS names / clan names). Only 2 are not yet in the game.

Spoiler

Light:

• Dasher / Fire Moth (20 tons) [too fast for the game with MASC. But maybe without it?]

Medium:

• Dragonfly / Viper (40 tons) [the ugly duckling of the Clan Invasion, will it ever have a chance?]

Considering there's only two omnimechs left, one is butt ugly and the other is not a likely addition until PGI can figure out the engine issue, I am hoping they start adding the other clan mechs instead.

Odanan, on 27 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Extra Clan Mechs:

Spoiler

There are other Clan omnimechs in the current timeline (or in the next few years), even if introduced by later Technical Readouts.

This is a list up to 3053:

Light
- Fire Falcon - production year: 3052

Medium
- Coyolt - production year: 2854 (only two omni configurations, not produced since 2943)
- Battle Cobra - production year: 2873 (std engine)
- Stooping Hawk - production year: 2970 (std engine)
- Huntsman (Nobori-nin) - production year: 3049
- Pouncer - production year: 3050
- Phantom - production year: 3052 (undergunned: only 5.5 tons of weapons with armor nearly maxed)
- Black Lanner - production year: 3052 (has MASC)
- Mongrel (Grendel) - production year: 3053

Heavy
- Lupus - production year: 2857 (rare or extict, surpassed by newer designs, std engine)
- Woodsman - production date: 2865 (extinct? Std engine. Only two omni configurations. Has MASC)
- Crossbow - production year: 2870 (bad omni configuration, std engine)
- Linebacker - production year: 3052 (a little too overengined?)
- Night Gyr - production year: 3052

Assault
- Kingfisher - production year: 2887 (used by CGB and CSJ in the early invasion, std engine)
- Naga - production year: 2945 (used by the Clan Wolf in the early invasion - needs Arrow IV and great Mechlab changes)
- Turkina - production year: 3052

Possibly even more clan battlemechs in the timeline? (non-omni) Remaining IIC battlemechs:

• LIGHT: Commando IIC, Locust IIC, UrbanMech IIC, Wolfhound IIC.
  
• MEDIUM: Shadow Hawk IIC, Hellhound/Conjurer (the actual Wolverine IIC), Griffin IIC.
  
• HEAVY: Rifleman IIC, Thunderbolt IIC (it's from 3085).
  
• ASSAULT: Warhammer IIC, Marauder IIC, Phoenix Hawk IIC.

I'm really hoping for the next packs to be laid out as 4x Clan, 4x IIC, as follows:



Clan

• Piranha/Fire Falcon
  
• Huntsman/Black Lanner
  
• Lupus/Night Gyr* (*I feel like the Night Gyr is a bit too Nova Cat and hope a bit of touch up could be done to differentiate it, as I expect the Nova Cat will be included if we ever advance the timeline)
  
• Turkina/Kodiak

The Black Lanner is too awesome not to let in and the Turkina is odd but cool. As I noted I really don't want the Night Gyr in with its design but it is the most likely mech to make it in. I'd rather see the Lupus as it is a unique design and isn't tied to the Timber Wolf (Woodsman is a pre-Timber, and Linebackers are smaller, faster Timbers).



IIC

• Locust IIC
  
• Griffin IIC
  
• Rifleman IIC
  
• Marauder IIC

The Locust is the optimum choice for the next IIC light, being at the other weight end from the Jenner (and being a more recognizeable mech than the Commando). The Griffin IIC is my personal bias between the Griffin vs Shadow Hawk - I think it looks better. The Rifleman IIC would make a great heavy IIC as the Rifleman is just getting added in, and the Marauder IIC doubles up as the perfect Assault IIC since the Marauder was just released.

Edited by ExAstra, 30 December 2015 - 08:52 AM.

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ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

[/size]Considering there's only two omnimechs left, one is butt ugly and the other is not a likely addition until PGI can figure out the engine issue, I am hoping they start adding the other clan mechs instead.
[/list] [size=4]I'm really hoping for the next packs to be laid out as 4x Clan, 4x IIC, as follows:


Clan

• Fire Falcon
  
• Black Lanner
  
• Lupus/Night Gyr* (*I feel like the Night Gyr is a bit too Nova Cat and hope a bit of touch up could be done to differentiate it, as I expect the Nova Cat will be included if we ever advance the timeline)
  
• Turkina/Kodiak

The Black Lanner is too awesome not to let in and the Turkina is odd but cool. As I noted I really don't want the Night Gyr in with its design but it is the most likely mech to make it in. I'd rather see the Lupus as it is a unique design and isn't tied to the Timber Wolf (Woodsman is a pre-Timber, and Linebackers are smaller, faster Timbers).


IIC

• Locust IIC
  
• Griffin IIC
  
• Rifleman IIC
  
• Marauder IIC

The Locust is the optimum choice for the next IIC light, being at the other weight end from the Jenner (and being a more recognizeable mech than the Commando). The Griffin IIC is my personal bias between the Griffin vs Shadow Hawk - I think it looks better. The Rifleman IIC would make a great heavy IIC as the Rifleman is just getting added in, and the Marauder IIC doubles up as the perfect Assault IIC since the Marauder was just released.

What about the Warhammer IIC? She's an assualt class too, and the Whammy comes out soon too...

[ExAstra]

Metus regem, on 30 December 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

What about the Warhammer IIC? She's an assualt class too, and the Whammy comes out soon too...

Personal bias towards the Marauder IIC. I think Alex could do great things to make the Marauder IIC look really cool - and since the Marauder was the first of the big 4 Unseen released I'd just like to see it come first. But if we get a Warhammer IIC you certainly won't see me complain. Especially if it looks anything like the "reseen"

Edited by ExAstra, 30 December 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[Odanan]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

[/size]Considering there's only two omnimechs left, one is butt ugly and the other is not a likely addition until PGI can figure out the engine issue, I am hoping they start adding the other clan mechs instead.
[/list][size=4]I'm really hoping for the next packs to be laid out as 4x Clan, 4x IIC, as follows:


Clan

• Fire Falcon
  
• Black Lanner
  
• Lupus/Night Gyr* (*I feel like the Night Gyr is a bit too Nova Cat and hope a bit of touch up could be done to differentiate it, as I expect the Nova Cat will be included if we ever advance the timeline)
  
• Turkina/Kodiak

The Black Lanner is too awesome not to let in and the Turkina is odd but cool. As I noted I really don't want the Night Gyr in with its design but it is the most likely mech to make it in. I'd rather see the Lupus as it is a unique design and isn't tied to the Timber Wolf (Woodsman is a pre-Timber, and Linebackers are smaller, faster Timbers).



IIC

• Locust IIC
  
• Griffin IIC
  
• Rifleman IIC
  
• Marauder IIC

The Locust is the optimum choice for the next IIC light, being at the other weight end from the Jenner (and being a more recognizeable mech than the Commando). The Griffin IIC is my personal bias between the Griffin vs Shadow Hawk - I think it looks better. The Rifleman IIC would make a great heavy IIC as the Rifleman is just getting added in, and the Marauder IIC doubles up as the perfect Assault IIC since the Marauder was just released.

But the Lupus is Standard Engine.
The heavy option for the Night Gyr is the Linebacker (overengined, but with energy weapons might be OK).

And the Kodiak deserves to be in the next Clan pack, for sure. But I hope it is an all-Battlemech pack.

[Metus regem]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:51 AM, said:

Personal bias towards the Marauder IIC. I think Alex could do great things to make the Marauder IIC look really cool - and since the Marauder was the first of the big 4 Unseen released I'd just like to see it come first.

That's fine, I'm biased towards the Whammy, first real Mech I ran in TT, I even keep a lance of them in active service in my IS TT company. The Marauder was always too hot and under armoured for my liking.

[Juodas Varnas]

Odanan, on 30 December 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

But the Lupus is Standard Engine.

Hey, Clanners always say that IS STD engines are as good as their XL engines, "more durable" they say, hahaha.

[ExAstra]

Odanan, on 30 December 2015 - 08:53 AM, said:

But the Lupus is Standard Engine.
The heavy option for the Night Gyr is the Linebacker (overengined, but with energy weapons might be OK).

And the Kodiak deserves to be in the next Clan pack, for sure. But I hope it is an all-Battlemech pack.

That's part of why I want the Lupus. Having a standard Engine clan omnimech would be at the very least unique. I'm not gonna lie and say it would be better but... It's fast (Mad Dog/Ebon Jaguar/Timber Wolf speed), it has "ok" armament, and is well armored. Like I said, the Night Gyr is waaay more likely I think.

As for the Turkina vs Kodiak (I LOVE THE KODIAK) - the Turkina gives us a very unique profile for the Clan Assaults - a King Crab shaped profile. The other clan Assaults are mostly tall and the only really wide one is the Dire Wolf, but it's still taller than it is wide. The Turkina breaks that mold by being very squat. So while I would love the Kodiak coming in, I would also love to see the Turkina. Especially if it gets the Ebon Jaguar treatment and doesn't look so ugly anymore, haha.

[Metus regem]

I'd like the Kodiak, she's a better Atlas with a cXL 400, 9E, 1B and 2M for hard points with out inflation. That makes for some scary weapon combinations....

[Odanan]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:59 AM, said:

As for the Turkina vs Kodiak (I LOVE THE KODIAK) - the Turkina gives us a very unique profile for the Clan Assaults - a King Crab shaped profile. The other clan Assaults are mostly tall and the only really wide one is the Dire Wolf, but it's still taller than it is wide. The Turkina breaks that mold by being very squat. So while I would love the Kodiak coming in, I would also love to see the Turkina. Especially if it gets the Ebon Jaguar treatment and doesn't look so ugly anymore, haha.

Why not both?

Trust me, we will get both. (Kodiak is too iconic and Turkina is the only omni besides the Kingfisher).

[ExAstra]

Metus regem, on 30 December 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

I'd like the Kodiak, she's a better Atlas with a cXL 400, 9E, 1B and 2M for hard points with out inflation. That makes for some scary weapon combinations....

It practically has a Nova built inside of it with the 8x ERMLs split between the two arms, too. Plus a giant cUAC/20 in the torso. It's a non-omni, faster Dire, basically. Where the Dire wolf has 54kph top speed and 50.5 tons of weapon space (after max armor, adjusted to remove waste), the Kodiak has 64kph top speed and 36.5 tons of weapon space (after max armor, adjusted). If we could put ferro fibrous on the Kodiak, that would take it to 40 tons of weapon space.

Not as firepower focused as a Dire Wolf, but with the speed of an Inner Sphere Heavy.. it could certainly be a threat.

[ExAstra]

Odanan, on 30 December 2015 - 09:17 AM, said:

Why not both?

Trust me, we will get both. (Kodiak is too iconic and Turkina is the only omni besides the Kingfisher).

Well I'm sure given time and all that lots and lots of mechs will indeed be added. But if I had to choose which one I'd rather see put in, right now... I don't know. If the Kodiak looked more like the MWLL version then I would have no choice but the Kodiak. If the Kodiak is gonna look more like the MW4/miniature artwork, however, I'd probably say Turkina without batting an eye.

Edited by ExAstra, 30 December 2015 - 09:22 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

(*I feel like the Night Gyr is a bit too Nova Cat and hope a bit of touch up could be done to differentiate it, as I expect the Nova Cat will be included if we ever advance the timeline)

I would disagree with that, as there is not a lot of overlap between the Night Gyr (introduced in 3052) and the Nova Cat (introduced in 3059).

The common points are that they have the same starting pod space (38 tons), the same top speed (64.8 kph without Speed Tweak), both make use of Endo-Steel and XL Engines, and both start close to their maximum armor loads.

However:
The Night Gyr makes use of Ferro-Fibrous Armor (starts at 95% of its maximum armor load) while the Nova Cat uses Standard Armor (starts at 99% of its maximum armor load).
The Night Gyr has four Jump Jets hard-wired into every configuration (filling the legs), while the Nova Cat has no hard-wired Jump Jets (and only only two configurations (only one of which is pre-Jihad) use pod space to mount Jump Jets in the side-torso sections).
The Night Gyr has open critical spaces in its head and CT (with some configs having weapon hardpoints in those locations), while the Nova Cat does not (the head and CT are filled with locked Endo-Steel crits).
The Night Gyr starts with one additional locked in-Engine DHS.

Night Gyr 3052 configs:
Prime: ballistics + energy
A: ballistics + energy + missiles
B: ballistics only
C: ballistics + energy
D: energy + missiles

Nova Cat 3059 configs:
Prime: energy only
A: energy only
B: energy + missiles
C: ballistics + energy
D: ballistics + energy (**requires introduction of Heavy Lasers to MWO)

[Odanan]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Well I'm sure given time and all that lots and lots of mechs will indeed be added. But if I had to choose which one I'd rather see put in, right now... I don't know. If the Kodiak looked more like the MWLL version then I would have no choice but the Kodiak. If the Kodiak is gonna look more like the MW4/miniature artwork, however, I'd probably say Turkina without batting an eye.

I believe the MWLL was based on this fantastic art:

The MW4 Kodiak is a shame (but actually more TT accurated).

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 30 December 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

I would disagree with that, as there is not a lot of overlap between the Night Gyr (introduced in 3052) and the Nova Cat (introduced in 3059).

The common points are that they have the same starting pod space (38 tons), the same top speed (64.8 kph without Speed Tweak), both make use of Endo-Steel and XL Engines, and both start close to their maximum armor loads.

However:
The Night Gyr makes use of Ferro-Fibrous Armor (starts at 95% of its maximum armor load) while the Nova Cat uses Standard Armor (starts at 99% of its maximum armor load).
The Night Gyr has four Jump Jets hard-wired into every configuration (filling the legs), while the Nova Cat has no hard-wired Jump Jets (and only only two configurations (only one of which is pre-Jihad) use pod space to mount Jump Jets in the side-torso sections).
The Night Gyr has open critical spaces in its head and CT (with some configs having weapon hardpoints in those locations), while the Nova Cat does not (the head and CT are filled with locked Endo-Steel crits).
The Night Gyr starts with one additional locked in-Engine DHS.

Night Gyr 3052 configs:
Prime: ballistics + energy
A: ballistics + energy + missiles
B: ballistics only
C: ballistics + energy
D: energy + missiles

Nova Cat 3059 configs:
Prime: energy only
A: energy only
B: energy + missiles
C: ballistics + energy
D: ballistics + energy (**requires introduction of Heavy Lasers to MWO)

Man, I want the Night Gyr so bad..

[Virlutris]

ExAstra, on 30 December 2015 - 08:59 AM, said:

That's part of why I want the Lupus. Having a standard Engine clan omnimech would be at the very least unique. I'm not gonna lie and say it would be better but... It's fast (Mad Dog/Ebon Jaguar/Timber Wolf speed), it has "ok" armament, and is well armored. Like I said, the Night Gyr is waaay more likely I think.

If you like the Lupus for its standard engine, what about that Kingfisher with its standard?

As omnis go I can see why there's plenty of buzz over the Night Gyr and Turkina. I think they're the "safest" pick for omnis in a pack format, or independently as one-offs. They make a bunch of sense that way, the same way the Ebon did.

Lupus would be another 60 tonner, and another ECM mech, and the Prime would be a little Acher-Tempest-like too. I'd be good with it, really.

Like the 90-ton standard-engined Kingfisher, it's an older omni design, that hung around for quite a while. Any of these heavies and assaults would be fun (to me).

[Strum Wealh]

Odanan, on 30 December 2015 - 09:17 AM, said:

Why not both?

Trust me, we will get both. (Kodiak is too iconic and Turkina is the only omni besides the Kingfisher).

The Kodiak, if implemented, would probably get the Prime variant (3001), the Kodiak 5 variant (3052), and one or two PGI variants.

The Kingfisher, if implemented, would get some combination of the Prime, A, B, C, and D configurations.

The Turkina, if implemented, would get some combination of the Prime, A, B, C, and D configurations.

How's this for a Clan OmniMech pack?

• Light: ?
  
• Medium: Stooping Hawk (alt.: Battle Cobra)
  
• Heavy: Crossbow
  
• Assault: Kingfisher

Standard Engine Clan OnmiMechs, go!

[Metus regem]

I'd hate to use the Crossbow or Battle Cobra, lose an arm, there goes half your weapons....

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 30 December 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

How's this for a Clan OmniMech pack?

• Light: ?
  
• Medium: Stooping Hawk (alt.: Battle Cobra)
  
• Heavy: Crossbow
  
• Assault: Kingfisher

Standard Engine Clan OnmiMechs, go!

Oh God, no!

And Crossbow? That's the worst of the worst.

Edited by Odanan, 30 December 2015 - 01:57 PM.