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[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 04 August 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

I think this admission displays a remarkable lack of imagination.


(thx to Raubwurst & JSS78 for the tweet info)

As I said in another thread, I am just sad because so many, many good alternatives were available.

agreed....

also..... seriously.... cannot believe that 25k people actually thought that bloated cross between a chicken and a toad looked good. (sorry Alex...you rock.... like...98% of the time... but the Marauder and Arctic Cheetah and Wolverine? HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. )

Archangel.84, on 04 August 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

Complete meh from me sadly, and I expect this means we'll be seeing the WHM and RFL IICs to follow? And maybe the PHX?

RFL-IIC and PXH-IIC at least are kind of interesting. And the PXH is such a different beast from the IS version..... especially...I think it's the IIC2? With the 4 LRM racks? Be interesting.

That said.... guess IS don't need any more mechs.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 04 August 2016 - 03:31 PM.

[Kael Posavatz]

Actually, I think he is either referring to the total number of marauders old (not packs, individual chassis), or to the packages of the whole Alpha Lance series. This could be problematical if he intends a 1:1 release since there isn't an Archer IIC, but oh well...

What I found to be interesting was his statement about needing to 'catch up' because of the Alpha Lance/Phoenix Hawk. Some numbers, for those interested:

Since the Resistance II mechs were injected (the last time PGI did a Light-medium-heavy-assault package) the Marauder, Warhammer, Rifleman, Archer, Kodiak, Phoenix Hawk, Viper, Cyclops, Night Gyr, Huntsman, Linebacker, and Marauder IIC have had injection dates scheduled (except Marauder IIC, but probably 20December).

Breakdown (as of Marauder IIC injection): 6 IS (1 medium [45t], 4 heavy [60t, 70t, 70t, 75t], 1 assault [90t]), 6 Clan (2 Omni-Med [40t, 50t], 2 Omni-Heavy [65t, 75t], 2 Battle-Assault [85t, 100t]).

The IS has added 410t of battlemechs to their order of battle.

The Clans have added 415t. 45% of Clan tonnage is in BattleMechs as opposed to OmniMechs.

I suppose I could go further and look at how many variants each get since the Alpha Lance released with 3-variants and a hero, but I think I've gone on long enough.

Wait, one more thing.

Russ has a reputation for really liking light mechs. The last light mech injected was the Wolfhound back in October-2015.

Okay, now I'm done.

Edited by Kael Posavatz, 04 August 2016 - 03:37 PM.

[Archangel.84]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 August 2016 - 03:30 PM, said:

agreed....

also..... seriously.... cannot believe that 25k people actually thought that bloated cross between a chicken and a toad looked good. (sorry Alex...you rock.... like...98% of the time... but the Marauder and Arctic Cheetah and Wolverine? HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. )


RFL-IIC and PXH-IIC at least are kind of interesting. And the PXH is such a different beast from the IS version..... especially...I think it's the IIC2? With the 4 LRM racks? Be interesting.

That said.... guess IS don't need any more mechs.

I've sadly just never warmed up to the PHX-IIC just because it's so radically different. I figure at that point, just give it a different name? It *is* a pretty interesting mech though and would give some fun loadouts. Same with the RLF-IIC, though I prefer the Glass Spider myself to be honest.

But yeah, it's just the likelihood of going so long without more IS mechs and nothing under 65 tons has me a bit weary.

Kael Posavatz, on 04 August 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

Wait, one more thing.

Russ has a reputation for really liking light mechs. The last light mech injected was the Wolfhound back in October-2015.

Okay, now I'm done.

Good breakdown - it's pretty much even now. But small note, the last light injected was actually the Jenny IIC in December '15.

Edited by Archangel.84, 04 August 2016 - 03:40 PM.

[CK16]

Please no Phoenixhawk IIC.......

[Odanan]

CK16, on 04 August 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Please no Phoenixhawk IIC.......

The next IIC should be the Rifleman IIC (and that's a mech the Clans need).

[CK16]

Odanan, on 04 August 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

The next IIC should be the Rifleman IIC (and that's a mech the Clans need).

That and Warhammer IIC I am fine with (besides petty little reasons) it's the Jazz hands/strike a pose ones just nope, no, not a fan!

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 August 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

Well, I would say my chances of seeing the Assassin have all but officially gone the way of AD&D 2ed.



Knew it was along shot anyhow, but realyl hoped for it, just because it would have been a great scout for Battletech.

Well if we go back to the original Mad & Whammy, The IS & Clans have now gotten a total of 6 mechs each. That for sure puts the IS next in line.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 04 August 2016 - 10:27 PM, said:

Well if we go back to the original Mad & Whammy, The IS & Clans have now gotten a total of 6 mechs each. That for sure puts the IS next in line.

naw they love to go in waves.. we got alpha lance in a block, bet we'll get the other 2 IICs next. If they do go back IS it'll be an Assault or Heavy. Crusader would not be a bad consolation prize, I guess.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 August 2016 - 10:33 PM, said:

naw they love to go in waves.. we got alpha lance in a block, bet we'll get the other 2 IICs next. If they do go back IS it'll be an Assault or Heavy. Crusader would not be a bad consolation prize, I guess.

Well I really hope it's not another IIC but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised either.

Javelin, Assassin, Crusader or Nightstar... I could go on.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Bleah. Not that I dislike the look of it, but it's a clanmech. I don't do clanmechs.

[xVLFBERHxT]

I bought the cyclops without checking the stats/ loadout, because its one of my favorite assault mechs. The last days, i played my highlanders and so, i compared both iconic 90 ton mechs.

I smell power creep...

One has to compare simply the heavy metal (3 x med laser, 1 x gaus in the arm, 1 x srm, 1x lrm) with the sleipnir (2 x gaus in the torso, 4 x balistic in the torsos... nuff said).

Your thoughts?

Oh sorry, i forgot the jump jets. They save the tier of the highlander

Edited by TrapJaw80, 05 August 2016 - 08:54 AM.

[3xnihilo]

If I did the math right (no guarantees there) it will have been 13 months since the last light mech was released (Jenner IIC I believe) by the time the MAD IIC gets here. I know lights are not currently viewed favorably at this point in MWO history, but do we really deserve to have to wait over a year to see a new light released?

[Odanan]

It's on: Marauder IIC page.

[Juodas Varnas]

TrapJaw80, on 05 August 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

I bought the cyclops without checking the stats/ loadout, because its one of my favorite assault mechs. The last days, i played my highlanders and so, i compared both iconic 90 ton mechs.

I smell power creep...

One has to compare simply the heavy metal (3 x med laser, 1 x gaus in the arm, 1 x srm, 1x lrm) with the sleipnir (2 x gaus in the torso, 4 x balistic in the torsos... nuff said).

Your thoughts?

Oh sorry, i forgot the jump jets. They save the tier of the highlander

The Mauler power-crept all over the Highlanders already.

I don't think the Cyclops will do anything any better than the Maulers already do (except for looking better, that is)

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 05 August 2016 - 10:35 AM, said:

The Mauler power-crept all over the Highlanders already.

I don't think the Cyclops will do anything any better than the Maulers already do (except for looking better, that is)

better sensor range...hopefully faster infor processing.

Is that Meta? Not really, but would be nice. Also be nice if it worked in conjunction with all sensor modules, increasing thei range and viability. Cyclops with Seismic? Extra 100 meter range. Etc

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 August 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

better sensor range...hopefully faster infor processing.

Is that Meta? Not really, but would be nice. Also be nice if it worked in conjunction with all sensor modules, increasing thei range and viability. Cyclops with Seismic? Extra 100 meter range. Etc

I'd prefer if Seismic didn't even exist, though.

But that goes for all modules/consumables.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 05 August 2016 - 10:47 AM, said:

I'd prefer if Seismic didn't even exist, though.

But that goes for all modules/consumables.

but they are here, and not leaving. So making the premiere electronic warfare mech better with EW gear makes sense.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 August 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

better sensor range...hopefully faster infor processing.

Is that Meta? Not really, but would be nice. Also be nice if it worked in conjunction with all sensor modules, increasing thei range and viability. Cyclops with Seismic? Extra 100 meter range. Etc

I am with you. But i see the future for this "lorewise" second line command mech with his "paper thin armour". They take the computer out and armour up, to spam uac5´s at the frontline .

[Juodas Varnas]

TrapJaw80, on 05 August 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

I am with you. But i see the future for this "lorewise" second line command mech with his "paper thin armour". They take the computer out and armour up, to spam uac5´s at the frontline .

Well, the paper thin armor is a thing with only some of the variants.
CP-10-Q is quite well protected (it removed the AC20 for an LRM10, medium laser, more ammo and heatsinks and 7 tons of armor)

[Brain Cancer]

Disturbingly the Marauder IIC marks the point where there's more completely made-up versions than canonical ones (the base and -8 are "real", the others are entirely PGI made). This one really strikes me as a minimum effort mechpack.