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[Yellonet]

The Crusader seems like a good mech, but do we really need another heavy?

I'm hoping it's a light.

[TheArisen]

Yellonet, on 10 August 2016 - 02:09 AM, said:

The Crusader seems like a good mech, but do we really need another heavy?

I'm hoping it's a light.

I have to agree, there's tons of heavies (& mediums).

Either an assault or light would be the best.

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 10 August 2016 - 02:55 AM, said:

I have to agree, there's tons of heavies (& mediums).

Either an assault or light would be the best.

I agree we have more than enough heavies but we have very few "light" mediums (40-45 tons). Assassin not only fills a new (rare) role (light medium missile boat), but also fits a tonnage not well explored (40 tons).

I really want the lights to catch up (Wasp! Stinger! Valkyrie!) , but maybe they don't sell as much as the other mechs (because of the fixed price)...

PS: also, IS assault class could use the Longbow and the Charger...

Edited by Odanan, 10 August 2016 - 04:37 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 10 August 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

PS: also, IS assault class could use the Thug and the Charger...

Agreed.....

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 10 August 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

PS: also, IS assault class could use the Longbow, Thug and the Charger...

FTFY

[FLG 01]

Yellonet, on 10 August 2016 - 02:09 AM, said:

The Crusader seems like a good mech, but do we really need another heavy?

I don't think so. The Crusader would not add anything, being yet another 65kph heavy Mech with an armament you can have on many other Mechs. Other than nostalgia, there is no reason for the Crusader.

That is why I am hoping for the Excalibur: a 70 ton Mech with an engine cap of 400, armed with mainly ballistics and missiles. (and just imagine: quirks to make an LRM20 useful...).
I'd take the Charger too, having a 400 engine and being another cavalry Mech.

But then, nostalgia is a better salesman than novelty and uniqueness in this game...

Edited by FLG 01, 10 August 2016 - 06:51 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Metus regem, on 10 August 2016 - 06:46 AM, said:

FTFY

What a weird way to spell Goliath.

[Metus regem]

Juodas Varnas, on 10 August 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

What a weird way to spell Goliath.

That's a strange way to spell circus mech

[Juodas Varnas]

Metus regem, on 10 August 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

That's a strange way to spell circus mech

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 10 August 2016 - 06:49 AM, said:

I don't think so. The Crusader would not add anything, being yet another 65kph heavy Mech with an armament you can have on many other Mechs. Other than nostalgia, there is no reason for the Crusader.

That is why I am hoping for the Excalibur: a 70 ton Mech with an engine cap of 400, armed with mainly ballistics and missiles. (and just imagine: quirks to make an LRM20 useful...).
I'd take the Charger too, having a 400 engine and being another cavalry Mech.

But then, nostalgia is a better salesman than novelty and uniqueness in this game...

Really?

Done right the Crusader is a jump capable mech that has the ability to pack a decent variety of weapons from all 3 types, and should benefit form the Battlemaster/Banshee "Big Arm" syndrome to shield it's side torsos, likely making it much more XL Friendly than any current IS 65 tonner.

And unless we see a timeline jump, the argument can be made at this point that there realyl isn't ANYTHING new under the sun, in any weight class.
But being able to run, for instance, Orion type loadouts, on a more mobile, xl friendly chassis? I'd sign up. I'd still prefer the Assassin, but I'd take the Crusader before any existing timeline Heavy or Assaults

[Marauder3D]

Odanan, on 10 August 2016 - 04:36 AM, said:

I really want the lights to catch up (Wasp! Stinger! Valkyrie!) , but maybe they don't sell as much as the other mechs (because of the fixed price)...

I think the perfect light mech to introduce would be the Javelin, as it has some nice variants and would add a 30 tonner that could actually contribute in a fire fight. But I totally second the idea of a Wasp/Stinger pack, hopefully at the price of a normal mech pack. I think that could be possible since there would be so many shared assets between the Wasp/Stinger and Valkyrie/Phoenix Hawk.

Anywho, we need more lights and any of those would be just fricking great.

Yellonet, on 10 August 2016 - 02:09 AM, said:

The Crusader seems like a good mech, but do we really need another heavy?

I'm hoping it's a light.

No more heavies until we fill out the 20-30 range bracket and add some more 40-45 tonners IMO. While we're at it, lets give them a purpose and role on the battlefield.

[FLG 01]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 August 2016 - 07:58 AM, said:

But being able to run, for instance, Orion type loadouts, on a more mobile, xl friendly chassis? I'd sign up. I'd still prefer the Assassin, but I'd take the Crusader before any existing timeline Heavy or Assaults

It's not like I would disregard the Crusader being a nostalgic myself. But no, Orion type loadouts don't appeal to me, so a lighter jumpcapable Orion is not what I'd look forward too. I cannot see myself doing anything with the Crusader I could not do with other Mechs.
You on the other hand do, and that's fine for you. Different tastes and all that. And of course the Crusader has many fans (and thus many defenders, obviously ), so I'd be surprised if it was not added to the game sooner or later.

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 10 August 2016 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's not like I would disregard the Crusader being a nostalgic myself. But no, Orion type loadouts don't appeal to me, so a lighter jumpcapable Orion is not what I'd look forward too. I cannot see myself doing anything with the Crusader I could not do with other Mechs.
You on the other hand do, and that's fine for you. Different tastes and all that. And of course the Crusader has many fans (and thus many defenders, obviously ), so I'd be surprised if it was not added to the game sooner or later.

This is true, I was just pointing out that the "does nothing new" was not wholly accurate.... along with giving more potential FW (if anyone actually plays that anymore, lol) dropdeck versatility.

If we're going by the "does nothing for me" standard... well PGI need never release another Light or Assault mech ever again, by my preferences, lol.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 August 2016 - 05:59 AM, said:

Agreed.....

I think the Charger would be much more interesting than the Thug..

AND we MIGHT just get one with MASC given how PGI has been prolific with created variants, and there is an "experimental" variant that has MASC on sarna (has a supercharger as well so would still have to be a created variant, but its enough justification for MASC).

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

I think the Charger would be much more interesting than the Thug..

AND we MIGHT just get one with MASC given how PGI has been prolific with created variants, and there is an "experimental" variant that has MASC on sarna (has a supercharger as well so would still have to be a created variant, but its enough justification for MASC).

The Charger WOULDbe more interesting.

The Thug is simply my favorite Assault. So I decided I should stomp about imperiously, demanding it!

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 August 2016 - 10:17 AM, said:

The Charger WOULDbe more interesting.

The Thug is simply my favorite Assault. So I decided I should stomp about imperiously, demanding it!

KINGFISHER NAO!

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

KINGFISHER NAO!

my Thug would do the nasty to your Kingies [redacted]

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

KINGFISHER NAO!

I'm going to follow in your foot steps here a bit, thanks the Marauder IIC...

COYOTL NAO!


She's the 40t mech the Clans need.

High mounts, reasonably fast, lots of pod space and likely decent hit boxes...

[Odanan]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 August 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

KINGFISHER NAO!

If you want that way...

WASP NAO!

And then the Charger, the Assassin, the Longbow, the Valkyrie...

(for the Clans, Fire Moth or burst)

[jss78]

I agree with the Bishop that a 'mech that offers something "new" at this point might be a tall order. I think lore/nostalgia/cool looks might be acceptable as reasons to make a 'mech -- in fact I'd posit 90+% of 'mechs are bought for these reasons anyway.

I can drop any Crusader loadout into my JM6-A -- indeed I've been theory-crafting my Crusaders on the JM6-A for months (harebrained examples: #1 #2). But then I take a look at the Jager (yech) and the unseen Crusader -- and yeah, I still want the Crusader.

That said, I agree that Stinger/Wasp would really offer something genuinely new (as jumping 20-tonners), meta-unfriendly as the might be, and I want those too.