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[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 20 August 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

Here's a comprehensive list of all possible 25t mechs.
1. Brigand, good loadout options, fun lore, decent speed
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Brigand
2. Dart, decent hardpoints but needs more of them, extreme speed
http://www.sarna.net...art_(BattleMech)
3. Duan Gung, decent hardpoints, good speed, fun to say name
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Duan_Gung
4. Eagle, good hardpoints, slow, can actually fly like an eagle
http://www.sarna.net...gle_(BattleMech)
5. Jackrabbit, horrible to ok hardpoints, ok speed, interesting as a variant supplier for the Nexus.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jackrabbit
6. Mongoose, great hardpoints, very fast, fun name & looks
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mongoose
7. Nexus, great hardpoints, fast, looks cool
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Nexus
8. Raptor, excellent hardpoints, omnimech, slow, looks like an AT-ST
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor
9. Super Wasp, decent hardpoints, fast, this is a Wasp that ate his fruits & veggies
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Super_Wasp
10. Tarantula, good hardpoints, quad, it's not gonna happen Juodas
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tarantula

My favorites are the Mongoose, Nexus, Brigand & Raptor. Not just for in game capabilities but looks or lore as well.

None can beat the versatility of Raptor (there are even optional jumpjets from the Config. F).

As an alternative, I would go for Nexus/Jackrabbit. Mongoose is cool, but too similar to the Commando (energy + missile).

Brigand is too obscure.

[FLG 01]

TheArisen, on 20 August 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

My favorites are the Mongoose, Nexus, Brigand & Raptor. Not just for in game capabilities but looks or lore as well.

Not a huge fan of the Raptor, but I can see its appeal. Other than that I fully agree.

However, as logical as a 25t Mech might be, I don't think we will get a light any time soon. I guess the next IS will be a heavy, unless the Osiris sells really well.

Odanan, on 20 August 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

Brigand is too obscure.

To the MW:4 lemmings even the Nightstar was "obscure" until recently...

Edited by FLG 01, 20 August 2017 - 10:14 AM.

[Ovion]

I would like a 25T IS light to be a chicken walker, to give some good visual diversity to the weight class.

Which is really just the Raptor tbh.
Though the Mongoose's satyr like configuration would work too.

[TheArisen]

FLG 01, on 20 August 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Not a huge fan of the Raptor, but I can see its appeal. Other than that I fully agree.

However, as logical as a 25t Mech might be, I don't think we will get a light any time soon. I guess the next IS will be a heavy, unless the Osiris sells really well.



To the MW:4 lemmings even the Nightstar was "obscure" until recently...

I just wanted to make a list of 25t mechs as that's an underrepresented weight class. I might do one for 95 & 85 as those are still sparsly populated.

[Requiemking]

TheArisen, on 20 August 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

I just wanted to make a list of 25t mechs as that's an underrepresented weight class. I might do one for 95 & 85 as those are still sparsly populated.

we could also do with some more 20 tonners as well, and not just the Stinger/Wasp.

Hornet: Slower than the Locust, but has JJs and can fit bigger weapons due to having less hardpoints.

Cossack: Bit of a generalist, but pretty well armed.

Fireball: Faster than the Locust(183 KPH by default), but the main variant is ammo dependant and It's main prey(elementals) aren't in game.

Mercury: The definitive Proto-Omnimech. Not to shabby as a Light either.

Kabuto: Basically a mini Javelin without the JJs, albeit a little funny looking.

Porcupine: Solaris mech which means that it is stupidly expensive and has more futuretech than one would feel comfortable with, plus the lack of actual collisions hurts this one.

Red Shift: Blakist design, but not a bad mech on the whole. ECM and MPLs on the main variant makes this somewhat scary.

Thorn: Slight weirdo amongst Lights, but swap the LRM 5 with something like an SRM or an MRM Launcher and now we are talking.

Flea: Was promised some time ago, but never delivered because of the Locust.

Edited by Requiemking, 20 August 2017 - 12:58 PM.

[Karl Streiger]

Requiemking, on 20 August 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Red Shift: Blakist design, but not a bad mech on the whole. ECM and MPLs on the main variant makes this somewhat scary.

Well we don't have the "Guns" of the Red Shift ingame (-> Arrow IV)

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Thorn: Slight weirdo amongst Lights, but swap the LRM 5 with something like an SRM or an MRM Launcher and now we are talking.

PPC armed version - like the Clan Pavian - would be refreshing (speed would be an issue, and no speed and no armor is a instagib) - This shows very well why TT stats don't work in a FPS when you just copy paste them.
And of course you need game mechanics that support a heavy armed 20t light

[Juodas Varnas]

TheArisen, on 20 August 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

10. Tarantula, good hardpoints, quad, it's not gonna happen Juodas
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tarantula

Not with THAT attitude it won't!

[Ovion]

Juodas Varnas, on 21 August 2017 - 01:31 AM, said:

Not with THAT attitude it won't!

I reckon if you offered the studio 300-600 thou, we'd be able to get quads.

I don't think anything less would likely do it.

[Juodas Varnas]

Ovion, on 21 August 2017 - 04:40 AM, said:

I reckon if you offered the studio 300-600 thou, we'd be able to get quads.

I don't think anything less would likely do it.

Yeah, let me just sell my apartment and i'll send the cash via pigeon to Russ.

[Sereglach]

TheArisen, on 20 August 2017 - 07:36 AM, said:

My favorites are the Mongoose, Nexus, Brigand & Raptor. Not just for in game capabilities but looks or lore as well.

Mongoose I'd love to see, and is my top pick from that list. The others from your favorites wouldn't be bad, either.

Odanan, on 20 August 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

None can beat the versatility of Raptor (there are even optional jumpjets from the Config. F).

As an alternative, I would go for Nexus/Jackrabbit. Mongoose is cool, but too similar to the Commando (energy + missile).

Brigand is too obscure.

Honestly, the Raptor is neat, but I'd rather have the others more. However, I do see the Raptor being a likely candidate as a light when they introduce Omnitech to the IS; and I certainly wouldn't complain about it being added.

I strongly disagree on your Mongoose opinion, however. That I think is completely fine, it falls more in line as the mirror opposite of the Commando . . . not a Commando clone. Only the 69 variant replaces the lostech BAP with a single SRM 2, which is the only missile hardpoint among all of the standard Mongoose variants. Otherwise, the Gunslinger variant does use a single SRM-6, but it's quite possibly the hero; and it would need PGI mods to change the Null-Sig and Chameleon systems to something PGI compatible. The Mongoose has a lot of solid and reasonably unique variants to bring into MWO.

In addition, the Brigand is no less obscure than many other chassis that have been brought into MWO. Hell, it's just as obscure as the Nexus/Jackrabbit that you do support. Not every chassis needs to have the star-power of the Marauder, Atlas, or Mad Cat/Timber Wolf.

[FLG 01]

Sereglach, on 21 August 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

Not every chassis needs to have the star-power of the Marauder, Atlas, or Mad Cat/Timber Wolf.

Also, star-power is highly subjective and volatile. The Uziel is not much of star right now, is it? The Night Gyr was an "obscure" Mech to many, I am sure, and it is a star now.

In addition to the subjective nature of stardom I would like to point out that it is never a good idea to appeal to the ignorance of other people. "Don't know don't care" is a horrible attitude, especially in a rich universe such as BattleTech. Perhaps it is just the zeitgeist with all the reboots, sequels, prequels etc. But the BTU offers so many intresting new opportunities, it would be a shame to waste them.

I mean the Brigand is obscure. Right. That's part of the idea of a pirate Mech. It's not your shiny new Defiance-Hesperus product, it's largely contraband meant to be distributed clandestine among pirates. That it ended up in service of even respectable states is a testimony to the Mech itself.
And that's something you can sell. It's a good story. Add to it that it would be a capable Mech in game, and you have a good candidate. Again, the alternative is the Uziel-way: a mediocre Mech with no story to tell (and what there is is rather embarassing in the FCCW), serving as hangar queen.

PS; I don't have any bad feelings towards the Uziel. I just don't have the nostalgia-goggles. And we need to be honest with ourselves. Likewise I don't have any nostalgia for the Brigand; it is just a good Mech with a good story. And I am not ready to give up such a Mech simply because it was not in MW:4.

[Pariah Devalis]

Next few mechs:

Upcoming 'Mechs
• Unannounced Inner Sphere Medium
• Unannounced Clan Light
• Unannounced Clan Medium

I wonder what the IS medium is. If sticking to the MW4 schtick, Hellspawn? If not, Vulcan?

We all know what that light mech is. Dakkadakkamaddafakka.

As for the Clan medium... The part of me that wants a good mech is saying Vapor Eagle. The part of me that realizes they might bend to popular demand says... *shudders* Black Lanner.

Edit: Corrected the Medium mech name.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 21 August 2017 - 05:30 PM.

[Glaive-]

The Hellhound (properly known as the Conjurer) is a Clan medium, not IS.

I'm guessing Chimera for IS med, but would love to see the Vulcan.
Piranha for Clan light (pretty much confirmed already iirc)
probably a 55 ton mech for the Clan med, as you said. Personally I'd prefer the Conjurer, because fast jumpy 50 ton mechs are my fav (and the current fastest 50 ton Clan mech is the HBK-IIC of all things ), but I somehow doubt they will go that route when the Clans have three 50 tonners but only one 55.

[Pariah Devalis]

armyunit, on 21 August 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

The Hellhound (properly known as the Conjurer) is a Clan medium, not IS.

I'm guessing Chimera for IS med, but would love to see the Vulcan.
Piranha for Clan light (pretty much confirmed already iirc)
probably a 55 ton mech for the Clan med, as you said. Personally I'd prefer the Conjurer, because fast jumpy 50 ton mechs are my fav (and the current fastest 50 ton Clan mech is the HBK-IIC of all things ), but I somehow doubt they will go that route when the Clans have three 50 tonners but only one 55.

Whoops. I was thinking Hellspawn, not Hellhound. Totally forgot about the Chimichanga.

No, that was not an autocorrect.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 21 August 2017 - 05:31 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Pariah Devalis, on 21 August 2017 - 05:21 PM, said:

Next few mechs:

Upcoming 'Mechs
• Unannounced Inner Sphere Medium
• Unannounced Clan Light
• Unannounced Clan Medium

I wonder what the IS medium is. If sticking to the MW4 schtick, Hellspawn? If not, Vulcan?

We all know what that light mech is. Dakkadakkamaddafakka.

As for the Clan medium... The part of me that wants a good mech is saying Vapor Eagle. The part of me that realizes they might bend to popular demand says... *shudders* Black Lanner.

Edit: Corrected the Medium mech name.

Probably Black Lanner and Piranha.

*yawn*

I'll see you folks next year.

[Glaive-]

Ah yes, I totally forgot about the Hellspawn, lol

I always loathed the thing in MW4. Back when I was first starting out, I could never do well in it, while the AI had no problem stomping with it
But I'd love to see it in MWO. It's got quite a lot going for it, and visually it's pretty cool looking

[Pariah Devalis]

armyunit, on 21 August 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ah yes, I totally forgot about the Hellspawn, lol

I always loathed the thing in MW4. Back when I was first starting out, I could never do well in it, while the AI had no problem stomping with it
But I'd love to see it in MWO. It's got quite a lot going for it, and visually it's pretty cool looking

Being a walking box, by volume scaling it should be tiny, overall. And annoying to isolate torsos on. What a derpy looking little thing, though! XD

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 21 August 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Being a walking box, by volume scaling it should be tiny, overall. And annoying to isolate torsos on. What a derpy looking little thing, though! XD

/Shrug

I think it's a pretty ugly, like an A-10 Thunderbolt II, AH-64 Apache or the Bushwhacker...

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 21 August 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

/Shrug

I think it's a pretty ugly, like an A-10 Thunderbolt II, AH-64 Apache or the Bushwhacker...

Always liked the Hellspawn, myself. It or the Chimera would be welcome additions.

[Karl Streiger]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 August 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Always liked the Hellspawn, myself. It or the Chimera would be welcome additions.

Your Vulcan is very unhappy now - tell me what does the Chimera has that a Vulcan can't do better?
Tell me what a Hellspawn can what a Dervish can't do better

Edited by Karl Streiger, 21 August 2017 - 11:12 PM.