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[Odanan]

[Ens]

Edited by Ens, 14 September 2013 - 02:23 AM.

[SgtMagor]

FTFY!

[Jin Ma]

SgtMagor, on 14 September 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

FTFY!

Blazer.. yum

[Bishop Steiner]

Blazer is Chump Tech. 3063 Zeus IIC Prototype. 3 ER Large Lasers and a ALRM20 (18 reloads) for range fire, 2 SSRM6 (45 reloads) and 2 Heavy Medium Lasers and 2 Heavy MG (100 reloads). 64 kph, max armor and 19 DHS.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Blazer is Chump Tech. 3063 Zeus IIC Prototype. 3 ER Large Lasers and a ALRM20 (18 reloads) for range fire, 2 SSRM6 (45 reloads) and 2 Heavy Medium Lasers and 2 Heavy MG (100 reloads). 64 kph, max armor and 19 DHS.

If I have any criticism of this one (other than being a filthy Lyran machine ) it'd be the patterning on the armor. Kinda makes it look like it's wearing a suit of quilted padding.

Other than that, real nice design... for a Lyran mech.

Now start doing some proper DC designs, will ya? I'd love to see your take on some of the 3055+ Draconis Combine mechs, like the Daikyu or Komodo.

Edited by Steinar Bergstol, 14 September 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Steinar Bergstol, on 14 September 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

If I have any criticism of this one (other than being a filthy Lyran machine ) it'd be the patterning on the armor. Kinda makes it look like it's wearing a suit of quilted padding.

Other than that, real nice design... for a Lyran mech.

Now start doing some proper DC designs, will ya? I'd love to see your take on some of the 3055+ Draconis Combine mechs, like the Daikyu or Komodo.

well, in fairness, I first made and modified the design, IRL on a WizKids MW:DA Clix figure. So I just took the drawing from it.

Komodo does need the love. It's actually a beast little mech, that is just coincidentally, beastly ugly, too.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 September 2013 - 11:47 AM.

[Phoenix Branson]

I was thinking PGI would make a fortune if they made 2 Hero 'Mechs for the UrbanMech much like the Fang and Flame 'Heroes of the Dragon. I would love if PGI added...

"Outlaw"
This UrbanMech is the bad boy that uses an AC/20.

"Deputy"
This UrbanMech protects the innocent with an energy loadout.

[Lord Perversor]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

Blazer is Chump Tech. 3063 Zeus IIC Prototype. 3 ER Large Lasers and a ALRM20 (18 reloads) for range fire, 2 SSRM6 (45 reloads) and 2 Heavy Medium Lasers and 2 Heavy MG (100 reloads). 64 kph, max armor and 19 DHS.

And this just reminds me that PGI should be able to add the BLAZER as weapon in the game since it fits the timeline.

Dual core LL 4tw!!

Maverick01, on 14 September 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

I was thinking PGI would make a fortune if they made 2 Hero 'Mechs for the UrbanMech much like the Fang and Flame 'Heroes of the Dragon. I would love if PGI added...

"Outlaw"
This UrbanMech is the bad boy that uses an AC/20.

"Deputy"
This UrbanMech protects the innocent with an energy loadout.

Eh i´m still sad Bishop didn´t accepted my offer of a Vulture MK II from the teacher in exchange of an upcoming deputy Dawg battlemech model

[Bishop Steiner]

Maverick01, on 14 September 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

I was thinking PGI would make a fortune if they made 2 Hero 'Mechs for the UrbanMech much like the Fang and Flame 'Heroes of the Dragon. I would love if PGI added...

"Outlaw"
This UrbanMech is the bad boy that uses an AC/20.

"Deputy"
This UrbanMech protects the innocent with an energy loadout.

tis the purpose of the Deputy Dawg vs 1BadMoFo discussion that Utilyan and I have been having. The Dawg has had more than enough positive press, and the Urbanmech enough cult fan status, that I feel it could sell regardless of overall effectiveness. And if they are creative, it COULD be made effective.

Lord Perversor, on 14 September 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

And this just reminds me that PGI should be able to add the BLAZER as weapon in the game since it fits the timeline.

Dual core LL 4tw!!



Eh i´m still sad Bishop didn´t accepted my offer of a Vulture MK II from the teacher in exchange of an upcoming deputy Dawg battlemech model

Well, the whole goal might be to see what becomes of the Urbie model in the first place. Agent Cooper been mighty quiet of late. That said, I am hoping to be in the position to 3D print the little booger in the relatively near future.

[Anjian]

I would love to see the Zeus in the game. That is like a minor dream of mine. I do accept however, it will not add anything new in play style for the game. I think the niches are getting all covered up, that its time to introduce mechs just because of their iconic status in the Battletech universe.

[Tkhaw]

No problem with the Zeus in the game...

More steiner assault mech to blow up...

[Ens]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

SO...
F*****...
SEXY!!!!



Edit:

OMG i din´t realize that sarna did a new article about this little beauty:



How could anyone NOT want this baby?!

Edited by Ens, 15 September 2013 - 07:57 AM.

[Jin Ma]

Ens, on 15 September 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

SO...
F*****...
SEXY!!!!



Edit:

OMG i din´t realize that sarna did a new article about this little beauty:



How could anyone NOT want this baby?!

wonder if Alex/Dennis will add fins or no fins? I personally would like to see it with fins. in MW4 it didnt' have the shoulder fins and just didn't look like a zeus

Without the fins it looks kind of boring



and too much like the dragon II

though arguably one might say the dragon 2 looks similar to the zeus. because the zeus came first. But personally I hate to see so much redundancy in two very iconic mechs.

Edited by Jin Ma, 15 September 2013 - 10:12 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

The fins for some models of the Zeus are most prominently featured on the ZEU-X "Zeus X" line, which came into being in the late 3060s and one of which was famously piloted by one Stacy Church of the Wolf's Dragoons.

Though, the fins (which may or may not be cooling fins... or plumage to be "used in the complex and amazing Zeus mating ritual" ) also appear on the Zeus pictured on the covered on Maximum Tech, which was printed in 1997 and covered BT from 3056 onward... so, the fins do predate the ZEU-X line (though, by how much is unknown).

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 15 September 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

The fins for some models of the Zeus are most prominently featured on the ZEU-X "Zeus X" line, which came into being in the late 3060s and one of which was famously piloted by one Stacy Church of the Wolf's Dragoons.

Though, the fins (which may or may not be cooling fins... or plumage to be "used in the complex and amazing Zeus mating ritual" ) also appear on the Zeus pictured on the covered on Maximum Tech, which was printed in 1997 and covered BT from 3056 onward... so, the fins do predate the ZEU-X line (though, by how much is unknown).

well, the Original Zeus-X was introduced in 3054, tbh,
http://www.masteruni...31/zeus-x-zeu-x
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Zeus_X

What can i say, this was during my era of TT, before all the revisionist history and rewrites and evertyhting else were added.

It's amazing how many units were available to be played in my era of Battletech (Fed-Com Civil War and earlier) that never actually EXISTED in my era of TT tournaments, lol.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 September 2013 - 12:50 PM.

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 September 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

well, the Original Zeus-X was introduced in 3054, tbh,
http://www.masteruni...31/zeus-x-zeu-x
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Zeus_X

What can i say, this was during my era of TT, before all the revisionist history and rewrites and evertyhting else were added.

It's amazing how many units were available to be played in my era of Battletech (Fed-Com Civil War and earlier) that never actually EXISTED in my era of TT tournaments, lol.

Though, the Zeus-X sarna article also says the original ZEU-X - "the first of what became commonly referred to as the Zeus X series" - was "armored with both normal armor and Reactive Armor on its limbs" and "was armed with an LB-X Autocannon/20 as its primary weapon, backed up by an MRM 30 launcher".

Both the IS LB 20-X and the MRM-30 weren't created until 3058, and Reactive Armor wasn't created until 3063.
Additionally, its implementation would require MWO's implementing the "Patchwork Armor" rules from page 377 of Tactical Operations.

[Bishop Steiner]

Strum Wealh, on 15 September 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Though, the Zeus-X sarna article also says the original ZEU-X - "the first of what became commonly referred to as the Zeus X series" - was "armored with both normal armor and Reactive Armor on its limbs" and "was armed with an LB-X Autocannon/20 as its primary weapon, backed up by an MRM 30 launcher".

Both the IS LB 20-X and the MRM-30 weren't created until 3058, and Reactive Armor wasn't created until 3063.
Additionally, its implementation would require MWO's implementing the "Patchwork Armor" rules from page 377 of Tactical Operations.

they weren't in production until then. The Zeus-X started life specifically as a test bed for experimental weaponry. Hence, it is logical to assume these were prototype weapons. Though as with many late 90s Battletec things, the MRM30 bothers me, since that was specifically DCMS tech, and unliekly, even with the chumminess of Victor and Hohiro, to be shared with the AFFC, especially in a prototype form.

Experimental and Prototypes seldom actually conformed to "Legal" rules. And I would point out the MUL date, is from CGL, the "official" source of the Battletech IP (though obviously not at the time Maximum Tech was produced) so it is the "Correct" date, even if some of the Saran info is indeed headache inducing.

If you think this is bad, go look at Tales of the BWC sourebook from first Edition and the original game stats for the Super Griffin and Super Wasp, mechs with both SHS and DHS in the same chassis, among other things.

[SgtMagor]

Banshee first!, we have Victor and Awesome now. been looking forward to a 95ton mech for a while

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 September 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

they weren't in production until then. The Zeus-X started life specifically as a test bed for experimental weaponry. Hence, it is logical to assume these were prototype weapons. Though as with many late 90s Battletec things, the MRM30 bothers me, since that was specifically DCMS tech, and unliekly, even with the chumminess of Victor and Hohiro, to be shared with the AFFC, especially in a prototype form.

Experimental and Prototypes seldom actually conformed to "Legal" rules. And I would point out the MUL date, is from CGL, the "official" source of the Battletech IP (though obviously not at the time Maximum Tech was produced) so it is the "Correct" date, even if some of the Saran info is indeed headache inducing.

If you think this is bad, go look at Tales of the BWC sourebook from first Edition and the original game stats for the Super Griffin and Super Wasp, mechs with both SHS and DHS in the same chassis, among other things.

For that matter, the MAD-4X has both (twelve) SHS and (six) DHS on the same 'Mech (which, IIRC, is still currently illegal under both BT's unit construction rules and the unit customization rules), as well as a "prototype Endo Steel" structure (also used (along with prototype LB 10-X ACs) on Daniel Sorenson's custom Hatamoto-Chi - PES either (or both?) consumed more criticals or weighed more than standard IS Endo Steel (but still less than Standard Internal Structure), IIRC), and was built in 3039 and is featured on the cover of Experimental Technical Readout: Succession Wars I...

Perhaps CGL might be gearing up to introduce more "prototype" Tech 2 equipment as time goes on, and/or turning the construction and/or customization rules on their ears?

As for the Lyrans getting their hands on pre-production Draconian tech... it was Lyran agents who "acquired" the production data for the Mackie from the Terran Hegemony, as well as trained/inserted Snow Fire.
The LIC is certainly quite capable, yes?