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[Steinar Bergstol]

Clanmechs? Bah! Bah, I say! Bah, and quite possibly humbug on top of it all! A proper mech is a barely functioning machine barely held together with hope, spit and bailingwire! It has seen centuries of combat and every component has been repaired or replaced at least once! And the cockpit should stink of the sweat, blod, tears, piss and fear left behind by dozens upon dozens of mechwarriors which piloted it before you! And here the clans come with... NEW mechs? NEW?!? Darn kids today with their fancy functioning mechfactories and production lines! Why, I oughta!

Sorry. My inner "contrary old man" just needed to be let out of his cage for a while.

[Strum Wealh]

SgtMagor, on 15 February 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

going thru withdrawals because I haven't used a Summoner since Mw4. that was my go to mech, nothing can replace it. 2 gauss rifles, er large laser. that was the only weapons I ever used on it.

Well, the Thor D (available since 2872) is guaranteed at least one ballistic hardpoint in each side-torso (from the Machine Guns mounted in those locations), and each the Prime, A, and C configs is guaranteed at least one ballistic hardpoint in the Left Arm and at least one energy hardpoint in the Right Arm.

The main problem with setting up such a loadout (30 tons for two Clan Gauss Rifles and one Clan ER Large Laser, if one assumes only one ton of ammo per Gauss Rifle) in MWO would be freeing up the tonnage - with the Engine tonnage locked (due to both type and rating being fixed), the first five Jump Jets & four additional Double Heat Sinks being fixed equipment (and thus unremovable), and the Internal Structure being locked as Standard materials, there would be only 22.5 tons of pod space by default, and the only way to get more free tonnage would be to remove some of the Thor's armor (with one needing to remove 7.5 of its starting 9.5 tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor to accommodate the stated weapon load).

[Strum Wealh]

Also, a post that I think is relevant to this thread...

Strum Wealh, on 15 February 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

Rebas Kradd, on 15 February 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Bet you right now that a "Clan Reinforcements package" a la Saber is in the works, containing the Firemoth, Shadow Cat, Mad Dog, and Gargoyle.

To expand a bit further: there are the other eight Original Clan OmniMechs (Dasher, Koshi, Dragonfly, Fenris, Vulture, Loki, Man O' War, and Gladiator), plus some newer-print Clan OmniMechs that would have enough configs/"variants" in active service within the Clans' militaries as of 3050/3051 (such as the Hankyu, Battle Cobra, Pouncer, Shadow Cat, Stooping Hawk, Nobori-nin, Crossbow, Cauldron-Born, and Kingfisher).

There are also a few - like the Fire Falcon, Phantom, Black Lanner, Linebacker, Night Gyr, and Turkina - that become available in 3052 (shortly-before, during, or shortly-after the Battle of Tukayyid), and the Grendel becomes available in 3053.

If they release the above at a rate of one 'Mech per month, they would be covered for the next two years.

Thoughts?

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 15 February 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Also, a post that I think is relevant to this thread...

Thoughts?

From the OP:

Odanan, on 27 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Coming soon: Clan mechs.

The Clans arrive in June 17, 2014.

There are 16 clan onmimechs used in the beginning of the invasion (IS names / clan names):

Light:

• Dasher / Fire Moth (20 tons)
  
• Koshi / Mist Linx (25 tons)
  
• Uller / Kit Fox (30 tons) -> already announced
  
• Puma / Adder (35 tons) -> already announced

Medium:

• Dragonfly / Viper (40 tons)
  
• Fenris / Ice Ferret (45 tons)
  
• Black Hawk / Nova (50 tons) -> already announced
  
• Ryoken / Stormcrow (55 tons) -> already announced

Heavy:

• Vulture / Mad Dog (60 tons)
  
• Loki / Hellbringer (65 tons)
  
• Thor / Summoner (70 tons) -> already announced
  
• Mad Cat / Timber Wolf (75 tons) -> already announced

Assault:

• Man o'War / Gargoyle (80 tons)
  
• Masakari / Warhawk (85 tons) -> already announced
  
• Gladiator / Executioner (95 tons)
  
• Daishi / Dire Wolf (100 tons) -> already announced

Extra Clan Mechs:

Spoiler

There are other Clan omnimechs in the current timeline (or in the next few years), tough. Even if introduced by later Technical Readouts.

This is a list up to 3053, but you can see that PGI can actually round the number of IS and Clan mechs, if they want.

Light
- Arctic Cheetah (Hankyu) - production year: 3037
- Phantom - production year: 3052
- Fire Falcon - production year: 3052

Medium
- Battle Cobra - production year: 2873
- Stooping Hawk - production year: 2970
- Shadow Cat - production year: 3003
- Huntsman (Nobori-nin) - production year: 3049
- Pouncer - production year: 3050
- Black Lanner - production year: 3052
- Mongrel (Grendel) - production year: 3053

Heavy
- Lupus - production year: 2857 (surpassed by newer designs)
- Woodsman - production date: 2865 (extinct?)
- Crossbow - production year: 2870 (only 3 configs in the timeline)
- Ebon Jaguar (Cauldron-Born) - production year: 3049
- Linebacker - production year: 3052
- Night Gyr - production year: 3052

Assault
- Kingfisher - production year: 2887
- Naga - production year: 2945 (but needs Arrow IV implemented)
- Turkina - production year: 3052

If I had to choose 1 of each weight for featuring in MWO first, they are: Arctic Cheetah (older design, used by the Smoke Jaguars in the early invasion), Shadow Cat (iconic), Ebon Jaguar (iconic, used by the Smoke Jaguars in the early invasion) and Kingfisher (old design, used by the Ghost Bears and Smoke Jaguar in the early invasion - and a rare 90 tons Clanner). In 2015, other designs could be introduced: Phantom and Fire Falcon (light), Battle Cobra and Black Lanner (medium), Linebacker and Night Gyr (heavy) and Naga and Turkina (assault). That would make 28 Clan omnimechs!

It is possible PGI will release another Clan pack with these extra mechs...

Possibly even more clan mechs? (non-omni)

Spoiler

There is space for at least 4 more mechs. Without much effort, they could be:

• LIGHT: Jenner IIC (too similar to the hero Jenner?), Commando IIC, Locust IIC (5 tons heavier than the IS Locust)
  
• MEDIUM: Hunchback IIC (they hinted the coming of this mech in the Hunchie video. [0:36 - Pros: Has a giant cannon on the shoulder. 0:39 - Cons: Doesn't have 2 giant cannons. 0:44 - (yet)]), Shadow Hawk IIC (it is not of the same tonnage of the IS Shadow Hawk), Hellhound/Conjurer (the actual Wolverine IIC, but not with the same tonnage of the IS Wolverine), Griffin IIC (not the same tonnage of the IS Griffin).
  
• HEAVY: Orion IIC, Thunderbolt IIC (it's from 3085).
  
• ASSAULT: Highlander IIC

(there are very few other time-wise, non-unique and non-Macross unseen IIC mechs. They are: Guillotine IIC, Clint IIC, UrbanMech IIC and Wyvern IIC. More info here and here.

If added, these mechs could count as variants of the IS mechs, for XP purposes (because they don't have 3 time-wise variants on their own). This is a strange solution, tough.

Edited by Odanan, 15 February 2014 - 02:56 PM.

[Odanan]

This:

Odanan, on 27 June 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Soon in the game:

- Griffin, 55 tons medium mech (17 December for Phoenix Project, 18 February for C-Bills)
- Wolverine, 55 tons medium mech (17 December for Phoenix Project, 18 March for C-Bills)
- new Assault mech (March)
- new IS mechs? (April and May?)
- Uller, 30 tons light mech (17 June)
- Black Hawk, 50 tons medium mech (17 June for Clan Collection, July? for C-Bills)
- Thor, 70 tons heavy mech (17 June for Clan Collection, August? for C-Bills)
- Daishi, 100 tons assault mech (17 June for Clan Collection, September? for C-Bills)
- Puma, 35 tons light mech (17 June for Clan Collection, October? for C-Bills)
- Ryoken, 55 tons medium mech (17 June for Clan Collection, November? for C-Bills)
- Mad Cat, 75 tons heavy mech (17 June for Clan Collection, December? for C-Bills)
- Masakari, 85 tons assault mech (17 June for Clan Collection, January, 2015? for C-Bills)
- new Clan light omnimech (February, 2015?) - Koshi or Dasher
- new Clan medium omnimech (March, 2015?) - Dragonfly or Fenris
- new Clan heavy omnimech (April, 2015?) - Vulture or Loki
- new Clan assault omnimech (May, 2015?) - Man o'War or Gladiator
- new Clan light omnimech (June, 2015?) - the remaining original light omnimech
- new Clan medium omnimech (July, 2015?) - the remaining original medium omnimech
- new Clan heavy omnimech (August, 2015?) - the remaining original heavy omnimech
- new Clan assault omnimech (September, 2015?) - the remaining original assault omnimech
- (wild speculation) new, extra Clan light omnimech (October, 2015?) - Hankyu?
- (wild speculation) new, extra Clan medium omnimech (November, 2015?) - Shadow Cat?
- (wild speculation) new, extra Clan heavy omnimech (December, 2015?) - Cauldron Born?
- (wild speculation) new, extra Clan assault omnimech (January, 2016?) - Kingfisher?
- (Nostradamus-level speculation) 8 more Clan omnimechs (one per month, until September 2016)

...and hoping for extra mechs in each "Clan month".

[stjobe]

Steinar Bergstol, on 15 February 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Clanmechs? Bah! Bah, I say! Bah, and quite possibly humbug on top of it all! A proper mech is a barely functioning machine barely held together with hope, spit and bailingwire! It has seen centuries of combat and every component has been repaired or replaced at least once! And the cockpit should stink of the sweat, blod, tears, piss and fear left behind by dozens upon dozens of mechwarriors which piloted it before you! And here the clans come with... NEW mechs? NEW?!? Darn kids today with their fancy functioning mechfactories and production lines! Why, I oughta!

Sorry. My inner "contrary old man" just needed to be let out of his cage for a while.

Quoted for epicness. And truth. But mostly for BattleTechness.

Well played sir, well played indeed.

[FireSlade]

You forgot the Kodiak Odanan.

[Odanan]

FireSlade, on 15 February 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

You forgot the Kodiak Odanan.

I didn't!
Non-Omni, without 3 variants.

[FireSlade]

Odanan, on 15 February 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

I didn't!
Non-Omni, without 3 variants.

You are right. I could have sworn with the equipment on the Kodiak 4, that there was enough early 3050 variants.

[Butane9000]

Part of me doesn't think they'll release clan mechs one at a time. It would stifle far to many players. Maybe do them 2 at a time.

[Finestaut]

Butane9000, on 15 February 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Part of me doesn't think they'll release clan mechs one at a time. It would stifle far to many players. Maybe do them 2 at a time.

My money's on 4 being dropped on the cbill market in June, with 1 IS and 1 clan per month after.

[Odanan]

Butane9000, on 15 February 2014 - 08:14 PM, said:

Part of me doesn't think they'll release clan mechs one at a time. It would stifle far to many players. Maybe do them 2 at a time.

Finestaut, on 15 February 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

My money's on 4 being dropped on the cbill market in June, with 1 IS and 1 clan per month after.

You might be right. They will need to "populate" the Clan teams...

[John MatriX82]

SgtMagor, on 15 February 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

going thru withdrawals because I haven't used a Summoner since Mw4. that was my go to mech, nothing can replace it. 2 gauss rifles, er large laser. that was the only weapons I ever used on it.

Bishop Steiner, on 15 February 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

ER PPC, Gauss and i believe 2 SSRM6 racks was my go to loadout. But was hard to be totally loyal because...well.... Victor

In MW4 i used dual LBX10s (double ammo each), dual IS Medium Lasers and 1 Clan ERLL (for longer maps, otherwise I dropped 1 DHS in favor of a IS LL), running with radar off/ECM on and went hunting solo snipers, LRM boats.. often wrecking havoc alone vs entire lances

I don't know how it will fare in MWO. Since you can't downgrade the engine, probably it will be difficult to allocate even a GR and an ER PPC on the prime :/

[Graywar]

Steinar Bergstol, on 15 February 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Clanmechs? Bah! Bah, I say! Bah, and quite possibly humbug on top of it all! A proper mech is a barely functioning machine barely held together with hope, spit and bailingwire! It has seen centuries of combat and every component has been repaired or replaced at least once! And the cockpit should stink of the sweat, blod, tears, piss and fear left behind by dozens upon dozens of mechwarriors which piloted it before you! And here the clans come with... NEW mechs? NEW?!? Darn kids today with their fancy functioning mechfactories and production lines! Why, I oughta!

Sorry. My inner "contrary old man" just needed to be let out of his cage for a while.

Best post ever. So true

[SgtMagor]

give me my blood soaked, sweaty, banged up BANSHEE already

[Bishop Steiner]

John MatriX82, on 16 February 2014 - 02:36 AM, said:

In MW4 i used dual LBX10s (double ammo each), dual IS Medium Lasers and 1 Clan ERLL (for longer maps, otherwise I dropped 1 DHS in favor of a IS LL), running with radar off/ECM on and went hunting solo snipers, LRM boats.. often wrecking havoc alone vs entire lances

I don't know how it will fare in MWO. Since you can't downgrade the engine, probably it will be difficult to allocate even a GR and an ER PPC on the prime :/

alt config A carries a gauss, srm6 and large pulse stock, don-t see the issue. 22.5 tons of pod space GR is 12, ERPPC is 6. of course you will need a skosh more ammo.......

[AntiKorper]

Hello my name is AntiKorper

I apologize in advance if this is in the wrong thread, I am still fairly new to the whole forum thing.

I am a long time Atlas pilot / fan I used to run up to 3 full lances of special Atlases...
When I save up I am in the market for one, but my question is the way i want to load out my Atlas seems to be too much in this game vs the older ones... long story short, I do not fully understand the ferro fibrous / Endo steel upgrades? do they really take up that many hard points? seems like they should not at all, considering one modifies the structure to a new / lighter / stronger setup, second the armor is external? besides how can you save that much on weight and have more then half of your hard points full before any weapons...
or is there something I am missing / not understanding if so could some please help me clear this up?

In advance Many thanks!

[SweetJackal]

AntiKorper, on 16 February 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Hello my name is AntiKorper

I apologize in advance if this is in the wrong thread, I am still fairly new to the whole forum thing.

I am a long time Atlas pilot / fan I used to run up to 3 full lances of special Atlases...
When I save up I am in the market for one, but my question is the way i want to load out my Atlas seems to be too much in this game vs the older ones... long story short, I do not fully understand the ferro fibrous / Endo steel upgrades? do they really take up that many hard points? seems like they should not at all, considering one modifies the structure to a new / lighter / stronger setup, second the armor is external? besides how can you save that much on weight and have more then half of your hard points full before any weapons...
or is there something I am missing / not understanding if so could some please help me clear this up?

In advance Many thanks!

If you're a fan of previous Mechwarrior games then you likely used Clan Tech for your builds. Clan Endo and FF are flat out better than the IS counter parts, only taking 7 crit spaces each (for Clan) instead of the normal 14 (for IS). Both FF and Endo have both exchanged Crit Space for Tonnage.

Clan Tech was an arms race and invalidated IS tech entirely. PGI has stated for years now that Clan Tech would be avoiding that Arms Race in MWO and that Clan Tech would be taken in a balanced manner.

How all this will turn out is up in the air. Just for the time being there is no Clan Tech in the game.

[AntiKorper]

SuckyJack, on 16 February 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

If you're a fan of previous Mechwarrior games then you likely used Clan Tech for your builds. Clan Endo and FF are flat out better than the IS counter parts, only taking 7 crit spaces each (for Clan) instead of the normal 14 (for IS). Both FF and Endo have both exchanged Crit Space for Tonnage.

Clan Tech was an arms race and invalidated IS tech entirely. PGI has stated for years now that Clan Tech would be avoiding that Arms Race in MWO and that Clan Tech would be taken in a balanced manner.

How all this will turn out is up in the air. Just for the time being there is no Clan Tech in the game.

ok I understand about the lack of clan weapon tech np... but it's just the exhange between hard points vs weight is what I am not sure I fully agree with... and thanks for the help =)

[FireSlade]

The balancing factor in Battletech was that if something was lighter then it would take up more space and cost more. This is why standard armor and structures is still worth having without everything being a race to get endo steel or FF armor.