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[Odanan]

So the end of the month is near... will PGI announce a new Clan mech soon? Where is Night Gyr?

(I hope there is a Townhall this or next friday: this is where Russ likes to announce new mechs)

[TheArisen]

Odanan, on 25 April 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

So the end of the month is near... will PGI announce a new Clan mech soon? Where is Night Gyr?

(I hope there is a Townhall this or next friday: this is where Russ likes to announce new mechs)

I'd like a town hall that covered decals & custom geo. Decals because they said after phase 3 and geo would be after decals, more or less. Of course he could throw in the Night Gyr announcement as well.

I think the Linebacker will be the next heavy after the Gyr because it does have a notable number of fans & there is no other heavy omni for the clans. Did Russ say the next medium & 2 heavies would be Omni's? If he didn't, that opens things up quite a bit.

[Juodas Varnas]

TheArisen, on 25 April 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'd like a town hall that covered decals & custom geo. Decals because they said after phase 3 and geo would be after decals, more or less. Of course he could throw in the Night Gyr announcement as well.

I think the Linebacker will be the next heavy after the Gyr because it does have a notable number of fans & there is no other heavy omni for the clans. Did Russ say the next medium & 2 heavies would be Omni's? If he didn't, that opens things up quite a bit.

Wait, they said they're actually adding custom geo?!

I thought it was something they thought about doing before deciding against!

Oh man, oh man, oh man.

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 25 April 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

Did Russ say the next medium & 2 heavies would be Omni's? If he didn't, that opens things up quite a bit.

He didn't!
So, besides the Night Gyr, the other heavy could be either the Linebacker or some non-omni mech, like the Black Python, Grizzly or even the Rifleman IIC.

For medium, we have the omnimechs Black Lanner, Huntsman and Mongrel (most solid candidates), but several good battlemechs too (including some IIC).

[Metus regem]

TheArisen, on 25 April 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'd like a town hall that covered decals & custom geo. Decals because they said after phase 3 and geo would be after decals, more or less. Of course he could throw in the Night Gyr announcement as well.

I think the Linebacker will be the next heavy after the Gyr because it does have a notable number of fans & there is no other heavy omni for the clans. Did Russ say the next medium & 2 heavies would be Omni's? If he didn't, that opens things up quite a bit.

Time line appropriate Heavy Omni's that are not the Linebacker or Night Gyr.

http://www.sarna.net..._%28OmniMech%29
One of Bishop's favorites


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lupus
The missing link between Archer and Mad Dog, also Jump capable with ECM...


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Woodsman
The father of the Timber Wolf, Gargoyle and Naga

Odanan, on 25 April 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

He didn't!
So, besides the Night Gyr, the other heavy could be either the Linebacker or some non-omni mech, like the Black Python, Grizzly or even the Rifleman IIC.

For medium, we have the omnimechs Black Lanner, Huntsman and Mongrel (most solid candidates), but several good battlemechs too (including some IIC).

Well we know that he was talking Omni's in the Town Hall, as the next pack was going to be an Omni-mech pack, but he wasn't a fan of the light or assault options, so we can narrow it down to Omni's at this point in time.

[TheArisen]

Juodas Varnas, on 25 April 2016 - 09:46 AM, said:

Wait, they said they're actually adding custom geo?!

I thought it was something they thought about doing before deciding against!

Oh man, oh man, oh man.

Idk for sure, the last I heard they were planning on doing it after decals were introduced.

Metus regem, on 25 April 2016 - 09:53 AM, said:

Time line appropriate Heavy Omni's that are not the Linebacker or Night Gyr.

http://www.sarna.net..._%28OmniMech%29
One of Bishop's favorites


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lupus
The missing link between Archer and Mad Dog, also Jump capable with ECM...


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Woodsman
The father of the Timber Wolf, Gargoyle and Naga




Well we know that he was talking Omni's in the Town Hall, as the next pack was going to be an Omni-mech pack, but he wasn't a fan of the light or assault options, so we can narrow it down to Omni's at this point in time.

The Linebacker would be mediocre but the others would be straight up bad. Standard engines, etc.

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 25 April 2016 - 09:53 AM, said:

Time line appropriate Heavy Omni's that are not the Linebacker or Night Gyr.

http://www.sarna.net..._%28OmniMech%29
One of Bishop's favorites

It's not my fault!!!


It's PRETTY


the IS Heavy Mech works too

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 April 2016 - 11:32 AM.

[Metus regem]

TheArisen, on 25 April 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

Idk for sure, the last I heard they were planning on doing it after decals were introduced.



The Linebacker would be mediocre but the others would be straight up bad. Standard engines, etc.

Just saying that there are options.... Never said they would be good options, just options.

[Richard Hazen]

Odanan do you know the distribution of Cyclops through out the inner sphere forces?

[Odanan]

Will Hawker, on 25 April 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

Odanan do you know the distribution of Cyclops through out the inner sphere forces?

It's on the OP since the announcement!

(not one of the the most common, but not the most rare assault mech around)

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 25 April 2016 - 11:26 AM, said:

It's on the OP since the announcement!

(not one of the the most common, but not the most rare assault mech around)

wonder what the old FASA 1st/2nd Ed distribution was, before FanPro and CGL went and rose colored the Succession Wars with all kinds of happy Mechs in their idiotic retcons.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 April 2016 - 11:33 AM.

[Richard Hazen]

No Cyclops for me then.

[Virlutris]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 April 2016 - 11:33 AM, said:

wonder what the old FASA 1st/2nd Ed distribution was, before FanPro and CGL went and rose colored the Succession Wars with all kinds of happy Mechs in their idiotic retcons.

What reference material would you check for that? Would it be certain early editions of certain manuals, or were the retcons so pernicious that you'd need early printings of certain editions of manuals?

(I ask because I'm still scrub tier when it comes to lores and stuffs)

Edit: spelling

Edited by Virlutris, 25 April 2016 - 11:41 AM.

[Odanan]

Metus regem, on 25 April 2016 - 09:53 AM, said:

Well we know that he was talking Omni's in the Town Hall, as the next pack was going to be an Omni-mech pack, but he wasn't a fan of the light or assault options, so we can narrow it down to Omni's at this point in time.

If he was talking about omnis, the 2 heavies are a no brainer.

Will Hawker, on 25 April 2016 - 11:39 AM, said:

No Cyclops for me then.

Well, the FWL was the great house to field them the least, but at least they had some Cyclops... (maybe yours is one of them?)

[Richard Hazen]

Odanan, on 25 April 2016 - 11:49 AM, said:

If he was talking about omnis, the 2 heavies are a no brainer.


Well, the FWL was the great house to field them the least, but at least they had some Cyclops... (maybe yours is one of them?)

Yeah I just dislike being that guy that says "Yeah I had one of the rare mechs".

[FLG 01]

Will Hawker, on 25 April 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Yeah I just dislike being that guy that says "Yeah I had one of the rare mechs".

Well that's commendable, however I don't think the Cyclops was a rare Mech. You may not see it every day in the FWLM, but you would not be totally surprised by seeing one either I guess. The NAIS Atlas e.g. lists the Cyclops as typical for the heaviest FWLM units (assault, type 2) in the 4th SW.
Admittedly, by 3053 the Cyclops became less common as the FWL favoured other designs, though it was never near King Crab-level of rarity ("only a handful" had survived the SW outside of ComStar according to TRO:3039 until the production was restarted after the Clan invasion).

IMHO you can drive the Cyclops in Marik colours without reservation.

Edited by FLG 01, 25 April 2016 - 01:29 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

OK...just I realize I'll likely never get my Crossbow Omni, and that it probably wouldn't be "great" (ok, it would take a miracle to be good, lol) anyhow.

But the more I dig into the retconned Crossbow Battlemech, the more I want that one. And I think the reasons are pretty solid.

The biggest reason? I always like the basic feel and look of the Orion, but it's hitbox Geometry is BAD. Butt when I was doing a quick sketch of the IS Crossbow I had an Epiphany:


Most of the aesthetic elements I liked on the Orion are present on the XBow. Especially my cherished ON1-VA with it's big missile drum arms.

But the Xbow has way better hitbox potential with much more massive arms to torso ration, hinting at good tankability, a smaller profile at 60 tons, and as a stock 84 kph mech enough speed and base agility to be a solid twister.

Downside is no super high hardpoints that most people feel are mandatory. But with it's hitboxes and mobility, it has a lot of Centurion like hit and fun skirmisher potential, especially with traditional IS Hardpoint inflation.

360 max engine (104 kph) and enough potential hardpoints to utilize larger number of lighter weapons. A few mock ups:

-CROSSBOW CRS-6B:
JJs: No
ECM: No
Equipment:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: PPC x1
-LT:
-RA: LRM10 x1, Ammo (LRM) x1, Medium Laser x1
-LA: LRM10 x1, Ammo (LRM) x1, Medium Laser x1
-RL:
-LL:
Hardpoints:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: E x2
-LT:
-RA: Mx2, Ex1
-LA: Mx2, Ex1
-RL:
-LL:
.... just adding Endo and a 325-350 XL, then swapping the LRM10s for paired SRM4s in each arm, and you have a mean machine.

-CROSSBOW CRS-6C:
JJs: No
ECM: No
Equipment:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: PPC x1
-LT:
-RA: AC10 x1, Ammo (AC) x1
-LA: Medium Laser x1
-RL:
-LL:
Hardpoints:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: Ex3
-LT:
-RA: Bx2
-LA: Ex3
-RL:
-LL:

-CROSSBOW CRS-X(P):
JJs: No
ECM: No
Equipment:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: Large Laser x1
-LT:
-RA: LRM5 x2, Ammo (LRM) x1, Medium Laser
-LA: LRM5 x2, Ammo (LRM) x1, Medium Laser
-RL:
-LL:
Hardpoints:
-H:
-CT:
-RT: Ex1
-LT:
-RA: Mx2, Ex2
-LA: Mx2, Ex2
-RL:
-LL:
.... Here either PGI makes a home brew based off the Obsolete "X" version. Either the lower speed is ignored, or comped thru better quirks/ ECM, extra hardpoints, etc. One could also give it a higher torso mount. Whatever.

I think the IS Crossbow battlemech has the potential to vie for best IS 60 tonner, with better hitboxes than the DRG, Lancelot, etc, better speed than RFLs, and such.

And it would look good doing it.

[Karl Streiger]

Yes for the IS Crossbow but a clear No for the Clan Version

[Bishop Steiner]

Karl Streiger, on 25 April 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:

Yes for the IS Crossbow but a clear No for the Clan Version

as an IS loyalist (well on this acct which gets 10x more use than my clan one) I can live with that.

Double the armor values for MWO


and tell me that wouldn't be FUN to run?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 25 April 2016 - 09:38 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Did I mention it would have the potential to be a great counter to the SCR? Yes, it's also 5 tons heavier, but I'm OK with that, since Clan Tech SHOULD be better.

But with good soaky hitboxes, and that loadout would be a very effective battler. Especially since well, quirks.