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[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

I would think though that maybe it is the Templar? I see much more of that than I do a Cursader, Locust IIC or the like.

Honestly? I think it's an another PGI-original.

I think we would've gotten the mech 100% right with pretty much everyone agreeing to what it is, if it was one of the known mechs

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 08:01 AM, said:

but the image shows 12 missile tubes and no noticeable backpack. Plus Crusader packs it's missiles int the forearms. So I have to say if this is a Crusader it has nothing in common with any existing artwork of it.

I do believe that the original unseen Crusader was supposed to have its missiles in the shoulders.

Though, it did have missile doors, so there's that.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 08 December 2017 - 08:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 08 December 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Honestly? I think it's an another PGI-original.

I think we would've gotten the mech 100% right with pretty much everyone agreeing to what it is, if it was one of the known mechs

I do believe that the original unseen Crusader was supposed to have its missiles in the shoulders.

Though, it did have missile doors, so there's that.

The very first battledroids archer had the top mounted cockpit too. FASA got away from that really early. Almost all of that era of art is irrelevant to the actual canon.

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

The very first battledroids archer had the top mounted cockpit too. FASA got away from that really early. Almost all of that era of art is irrelevant to the actual canon.

Is it though? i mean, none of the other unseen Crusader artworks have a clearly defined location for the missiles.
Also, keep in mind the actual text fluff mentioning the SRMs being placed in the hips to not interfere with LRM flight paths, so having them low-mounted in the wrists would make that pretty counter-intuitive, which leads back to them being high-mounted - in the shoulders.

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SRM launchers were built into the legs and mounted at hip height to provide a stable firing location and avoid interference with the LRMs' flight path

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Gosh, i'm so bummed out that Shimmy didn't get to remake the Crusader, like the rest of the unseens, cause then we wouldn't even have this argument!

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 08 December 2017 - 08:37 AM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

a pity that looks well, nothing like a Crusader.

Prediction sure to be wrong?



Of course.. having a PendDragon sans Templars? Might be odd. But the geometry is similar. (Other than that I'd say it's absolutely unlikely)

I would think though that maybe it is the Templar? I see much more of that than I do a Cursader, Locust IIC or the like.

I initially thought it was the Templar as well, until someone else pointed out the twin gun barrels near the waist of the mech.





I just really hope to God it's not another PGI original.

[SuperFunkTron]

Juodas Varnas, on 08 December 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

Honestly? I think it's an another PGI-original.

I think we would've gotten the mech 100% right with pretty much everyone agreeing to what it is, if it was one of the known mechs

I do believe that the original unseen Crusader was supposed to have its missiles in the shoulders.

Though, it did have missile doors, so there's that.

That's where the warhawk is supposed to have its arm missile pods...

[Juodas Varnas]

SuperFunkTron, on 08 December 2017 - 08:54 AM, said:

That's where the warhawk is supposed to have its arm missile pods...

True dat.
I'm still confused about that decision to give it underslung missiles.
They look pretty bad, in addition to BEING pretty bad.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

a pity that looks well, nothing like a Crusader.

Prediction sure to be wrong?



Of course.. having a PendDragon sans Templars? Might be odd. But the geometry is similar. (Other than that I'd say it's absolutely unlikely)

I would think though that maybe it is the Templar? I see much more of that than I do a Cursader, Locust IIC or the like.

No way it's the Templar unless they seriously redesigned the head. I think it's a Crusader and I'm sure once we see the whole thing it'll look more like a Crusader or whatever.

[Bishop Steiner]

Arnold The Governator, on 08 December 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

I initially thought it was the Templar as well, until someone else pointed out the twin gun barrels near the waist of the mech.





I just really hope to God it's not another PGI original.

Arnold The Governator, on 08 December 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

I initially thought it was the Templar as well, until someone else pointed out the twin gun barrels near the waist of the mech.





I just really hope to God it's not another PGI original.

twin gun barrels near the waste? Good thing no templars have those....

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 December 2017 - 09:06 AM.

[Odanan]

Juodas Varnas, on 08 December 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

I do believe that the original unseen Crusader was supposed to have its missiles in the shoulders.

Though, it did have missile doors, so there's that.

This art makes much more sense with the mech's sheet.

I'm sold it's the Crusader.

[Odanan]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

twin gun barrels near the waste? Good thing no templars have those....

Templar doesn't have missiles in the arms. Well, the E Config does, but the concept art is always the Prime, right? (except for the Banshee, I think)

Don't get me wrong, I would love if it was the Templar. And would love even more if it was a whole IS omni pack (Templar, whatever, Men Shen and Raptor).

[Odanan]

Arnold The Governator, on 08 December 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

This sketch over the original art is completely misleading.

[SuperFunkTron]

Juodas Varnas, on 08 December 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

True dat.
I'm still confused about that decision to give it underslung missiles.
They look pretty bad, in addition to BEING pretty bad.

The closest thing I could come up with for a justification was to help protect those massively exposed side torsos, but then reason kicked in and showed that the underslung pods explicitly provide no such cover. It still hasn't gone through the Civil War reskin so maybe if we start to make enough noise....

[Pariah Devalis]

Odanan, on 08 December 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

This sketch over the original art is completely misleading.

All the sketches are. I chuckle because every person who sketches it ends up with something somewhat different. We'll find out tomorrow. Soon enough!

[Juodas Varnas]

Pariah Devalis, on 08 December 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

We'll find out tomorrow. Soon enough!

[Odanan]

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 08 December 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

This art makes much more sense with the mech's sheet.

I'm sold it's the Crusader.

Which Crusader has a double barreled weapon arm, again? Or 4x SRM6 in the arms? If it's a "Prime", those would be LRM15s. And again, where is the back pack?

There is literally nothing in that picture that is remotely in line with the Geometry of ANY Crusader model made. And There is nothing special Crusader related to the Civil War era.

Simple fact, if we are going by prime? I can literally find NOTHING with similar Geometry and 2xSRM6 or more in each arm (Or ATM6 in case of Clan), a double barrel right arm and a head shoved as far forward as that one.

Odanan, on 08 December 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

This sketch over the original art is completely misleading.

It's not great but it's not misleading. If you look at the naked picture, the arms are 2x6 missile clusters each, there is at least one arm with 2 visible barrels and a forward head or sensor pod.

I'll give you credit for doubling down, but it's gonna suck twice as bad that you're wrong.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 08 December 2017 - 10:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 08 December 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

No way it's the Templar unless they seriously redesigned the head. I think it's a Crusader and I'm sure once we see the whole thing it'll look more like a Crusader or whatever.

Unless the totally redesigned the head, the shoulders, arm weapons and the backpack, there is no way that is a Crusader.

[Cy Mitchell]

Virtually every Crusader model has the two pylons on either side of the head similar to the Phoenix Hawk. The T-shirt image does not have these and instead seems to have raised rings around each shoulder where the arms attach. This ,in itself, suggest to me that it is not the Crusader unless Alex has really deviated from the the TRO and traditional BattleTech art much more than he has done in the past and completely left out signature features of the chassis.

[Odanan]

Bishop Steiner, on 08 December 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

Which Crusader has a double barreled weapon arm, again? Or 4x SRM6 in the arms? If it's a "Prime", those would be LRM15s. And again, where is the back pack?

There is literally nothing in that picture that is remotely in line with the Geometry of ANY Crusader model made. And There is nothing special Crusader related to the Civil War era.

Simple fact, if we are going by prime? I can literally find NOTHING with similar Geometry and 2xSRM6 or more in each arm (Or ATM6 in case of Clan), a double barrel right arm and a head shoved as far forward as that one.

It's not great but it's not misleading. If you look at the naked picture, the arms are 2x6 missile clusters each, there is at least one arm with 2 visible barrels and a forward head or sensor pod.

I'll give you credit for doubling down, but it's gonna suck twice as bad that you're wrong.

We see 11 (maybe 12) missiles, but there could be more. Nothing guarantees those are SRMs. It could be LRM-15s.

About the double barreled arm, the image is not clear on that. There could be a hand actuator somewhere.

If it's not a Crusader (or the Templar E), it's probably another PGI own desing.

Well, I guess we will find out soon.

[Juodas Varnas]

Rampage, on 08 December 2017 - 10:33 AM, said:

Virtually every Crusader model has the two pylons on either side of the head similar to the Phoenix Hawk. The T-shirt image does not have these and instead seems to have raised rings around each shoulder where the arms attach. This ,in itself, suggest to me that it is not the Crusader unless Alex has really deviated from the the TRO and traditional BattleTech art much more than he has done in the past and completely left out signature features of the chassis.

None of the Reseen Crusaders have the "pylons'', it's only the Unseen one that has them.