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[VulcanXIV]

Odanan, on 06 March 2019 - 01:50 AM, said:

Hmmmm I think the Phoenix Hawk is not confirmed yet. BUT, since Russ promised 60 chassis, I don't see why they won't add it.

Well the quote in my post had 29 listed mechs as "confirmed" but I cut them all out except phoenix hawk for less clutter. If it's not confirmed then I am sad.

[Marauder3D]

The Pixie is the pre-eminent recon mech of the BattleTech universe up to at least 3055 or so. It would be a major oversight if it wasn't included at release.

[Odanan]

Wait what?

[VulcanXIV]

Within expected calculations. Sort of. People were expecting the Longbow. Oh well. There are still so many mechs that seem common sense to add and not enough time to do so.

[FLG 01]

Are you surprised? MW:5 über alles.
Had to be a SW-era unit and the Dervish is one of the few missing Mechs of TRO:3025, which is perhaps the most popular TRO among grognards. I think there are more interesting SW-era Mechs, and I would not have counted on the Dervish, but I am not surprised. Not in the least.

[Odanan]

VulcanXIV, on 06 March 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

Within expected calculations. Sort of. People were expecting the Longbow. Oh well. There are still so many mechs that seem common sense to add and not enough time to do so.

Wasp and Crusader or burst!

[Karl Streiger]

Can live with that, its an iconic common BattleMech, however with the Insidious Dervish there is already a great, maybe even better looking Dervish.

Mediocre Mech in TT that would be quite boring in MWO.

Well with exception of the tripple 40s and the 3 RoboTech Mechs the original 3025 is finished.

[Odanan]

Karl Streiger, on 06 March 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

Mediocre Mech in TT that would be quite boring in MWO.

I think the Dervish in TT is quite good.

[Shadowomega1]

Looking over the mech for its MW:O release I see this mech being packed with SRM, SSRM, MRMs, and Rocket pods. Looks like the 8D might be the best multirole version with the perfect mix of Energy and Missile Hardpoints. The 6Mr being more energy focused with Missiles acting as back up.

[Kanil]

Odanan, on 06 March 2019 - 11:38 AM, said:

I think the Dervish in TT is quite good.

I really don't agree with that. It compares pretty unfavorably to the Trebuchet, and Hunchback, while not really out performing the Whitworth despite being 15 tons heavier. Definitely not something I'd ever want to use in TT or MW5.

[Spheroid]

@Kanil: I don't understand how you can say the Whitworth outperforms the Dervish. Five Jump is huge giving you +3 target modifier flat out and getting you into woods much more easily which further compounds the advantage.

Edited by Spheroid, 06 March 2019 - 01:00 PM.

[Sereglach]

I'm not averse to the Dervish, but I'm not thrilled, either. It's another mech that people have wanted for a long time; and it's actually got missle doors! 10% Damage reduction in both ST will be a nice little boon . . . all for the cost of 1t of rocket pods, if nothing else. Depending on quirks, hitboxes, etc., this might actually be the mech that could compete with and/or replace the niche that my Kintaro fills. However, I would have much preferred a medium from a different tonnage bracket.

It's just sad that we're getting yet another 55t chassis when there are so many other chassis they could have picked for much needier tonnage brackets. If it just had to be a medium there are plenty of other chassis to pick from. There's the Clint (personal favorite), Sentinel, and Whitworth for 40t. Then the Hatchetman (even without melee, HBS made a model PGI could use for MWO) and Wyvern for 45t . . . the Wyvern might be meh, but we need 45t chassis and we have a rather versatile mech lab and quirks. There's also the Chameleon and Enfield for 50t. While some might not be great picks, they're at least mechs for weight classes that we need more of. 55t is over-represented compared to 40t and 45t in particular . . . 50t not so much.

However, still 100% in agreement with this:

Odanan, on 06 March 2019 - 11:07 AM, said:

Wasp and Crusader or burst!

On the other hand . . . the fact that PGI still haven't fleshed out the remaining classics leaves me with the impression that we very well could see some sort of "Project Phoenix II" type bundle as a last-minute MW5 launch hype builder. It would make sense for them to hold off to do a joint launch. Like I said, take Odanon's bundle, give it the reinforcement chassis option, and either put MW5 unlock codes in the Collector's and Ultimate editions; and also consider putting the MW5 Game as part of the Ultimate Edition bundle WITH the unlock codes.

Edited by Sereglach, 06 March 2019 - 01:14 PM.

[Kanil]

Spheroid, on 06 March 2019 - 12:54 PM, said:

@Kanil: I don't understand how you can say the Whitworth outperforms the Dervish. Five Jump is huge giving you +3 target modifier flat out and getting you into woods much more easily which further compounds the advantage.

Perhaps my intended meaning could have been worded better. While the Dervish is superior to the Whitworth, the difference isn't that much, and comes at a cost of 150 BV. I'd occasionally use a Whitworth, but I'd never pay more for the modest upgrade the Dervish offers over it unless I literally didn't have an alternative.

Basically there's not much a Dervish does that another 'mech either doesn't do cheaper or better.

Edit: Like, the only thing the Dervish has over the Whitworth, Hunchback, and Trebuchet is it's speed (and doesn't even have that over the TBT-5J), and if the speed is important to you, you can just get a Griffin which does it better. Mediocre seems like an extremely fair assessment.

Edited by Kanil, 06 March 2019 - 03:39 PM.

[Ovion]

One more down.

Edited by Ovion, 06 March 2019 - 04:14 PM.

[Odanan]

Ovion, on 06 March 2019 - 04:14 PM, said:

One more down.

Only remains the 40 tonner trio: Hermes, Clint and Whitworth. (honestly, of the 3 I only like the Clint)

[TheArisen]

My initial reaction was pretty indifferent but after looking at what PGI did with the variants I'm actually going to pre-order.

Here's hoping the next IS mech is the Dragon Fire!

[Karl Streiger]

Guys mediocrity is nothing bad, heck it's the only thing that allows you to field a Hollander or BattleHawk quite successful in TT. There are usually bigger more dangerous targets to shoot at.

While the dervish offers great mobility and enough ammunition for the SRMs you can not jump and shoot all the time.
Additional the SRM2 behaves quite poor in TT, especially compared to the MLAS. The Dervish would be decent with 4 MLAS and 2 additional shs.

But this is TT, in MWO the main issue would be the convergence issue of the arm and torso racks.

[Juodas Varnas]

Karl Streiger, on 06 March 2019 - 11:26 AM, said:

Well with exception of the tripple 40s and the 3 RoboTech Mechs the original 3025 is finished.

Quads too. We needs them.

[Karl Streiger]

Juodas Varnas, on 06 March 2019 - 11:04 PM, said:

Quads too. We needs them.

Only if PGI include vomit bags in the preorder.
Can you imagine the tiny step animation cause wobbling - multipled with factor 4, plus the refelction and look on the PPC barrel that moves complete different to the cockpit shake?

[Juodas Varnas]

Karl Streiger, on 07 March 2019 - 12:46 AM, said:

Only if PGI include vomit bags in the preorder.
Can you imagine the tiny step animation cause wobbling - multipled with factor 4, plus the refelction and look on the PPC barrel that moves complete different to the cockpit shake?

Well, MWO doesn't have camera shaking so that's not a problem

And besides, they probably shouldn't even be shaking any more than bipeds, due to quadruped movement usually using about the same amount of steps as bipedal - because of how opposing legs, front left and back right, and front right and back left, move in pairs simultaneously.
Even if you move slowly, one foot stepping at the time, it can be really stable

IF anything, it should be more stable.

Also, torso mounted weapon barrels never had problems syncing with even the bounciest of cockpits, not sure why that's a problem for you