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#20081 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 07:17 AM

View PostKarl Streiger, on 07 March 2019 - 06:37 AM, said:

the reflection on those barrels seem to differ with the reflection inside your cockpit, also the wobbling differs. Somehow I get seasick when seeing this difference. There is a reason I don't run any Mech that moves faster then 100kph.

Oh, i never notice things like reflections, motion sickness sucks though, sorry man.

#20082 Karl Streiger

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Posted 07 March 2019 - 08:44 AM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 07 March 2019 - 07:17 AM, said:

Oh, i never notice things like reflections, motion sickness sucks though, sorry man.

It's only MWO.
No issues in playing fast paced shooters, or attacking a B17 head on with a 109, and putting the rounds in the cockpit. speed is not the issue.
But somehow my brain is unable to process MWO, I think scale is also an issue.

For example when you use adv zoom the target "speed" is not correct, or when you are on Alpine the textures do not proper translate into range. Not to mention the height of your cockpit is incredible important, a hopper or Zeus after rescale became unplayable because while I ran with almost 100kph (speed bar) it does not feel correct. I think I'm slower then an Atlas.

Nova offers currently the best feeling

#20083 Alex Morgaine

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 12:52 AM

View PostOdanan, on 06 March 2019 - 04:33 PM, said:

Only remains the 40 tonner trio: Hermes, Clint and Whitworth. (honestly, of the 3 I only like the Clint)




A protype that didn't go anywhere had an ac10 but the weight was too great without saccing a lot. But having it in with 3-5 ballistics on the arm
/drool

Add: hell, make it 1E, 8B :3

Edited by Alex Morgaine, 08 March 2019 - 12:54 AM.


#20084 Sereglach

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Posted 08 March 2019 - 07:32 PM

View PostAlex Morgaine, on 08 March 2019 - 12:52 AM, said:

A protype that didn't go anywhere had an ac10 but the weight was too great without saccing a lot. But having it in with 3-5 ballistics on the arm
/drool

Add: hell, make it 1E, 8B :3

That would be a pretty insane CLNT-1-2R (the prototype AC10 variant) with 8B. The Right Arm would look ridiculous, though, if loaded with MGs.

Here's my wish list for when we get the Clint:

Base Package:
CLNT-2-3T(S): LT - 3 E, CT - 2 E, RT - 1 AMS, RA - 2 B; Max 6 JJ, Max Engine 280

CLNT-1-2R or CLNT-2-4T: LT - 1 AMS, CT - 2 E, RT - 1 AMS, RA - 4 B, No JJ, Max Engine 320

CLNT-2-3U: LT - 2 E, CT - 2 E, RT - 1 AMS, RA - 3 E, Max 6 JJ, Max Engine 280

Reinforcements . . . make up variants:
They can do whatever they want for the reinforcement variants . . . I don't really care, so long as they don't butcher the mech and make an Assassin clone or something. Without Plasma Rifles, Light ACs, Heavy Ferro Fibrous Armor, or Small Cockpits, PGI can't really use most of the remaining variants. There's a lot that can be done, though . . . the Clint is a solid trooper mech; and PGI has no problem fiddling with hardpoint amounts or locations. However, If they were to introduce some more new tech, I'd love to see the 2-3UL and 3-3T.

They could throw in the 5U, but they'd need to remove the C3 Slave and use the spare ton for something else . . . likely a DHS. However, that variant would have very similar hardpoints to the 2-3U. Therefore, it wouldn't really be anything unique if they used it.

Hero:
New PGI Hero Mech standards are to do something unique that's reasonably upgraded to new tech, so here's my take on what they could do that'd be truly unique . . .
CLNT-Hero: LT - 2 AMS, CT - 2E, RT - 2 AMS, RA - 3E, Max 6JJ, Max Engine 280
Base Loadout: 240LFE, 6 JJ, 8t STD Armor, Endo-Steel, 12 DHS, 4xAMS w/2t ammo (ST split even), 2xML (CT), 1xERLL (RA)

While I'd like to see a Denton, it is intro-tech with a LL and a handful of extra SHS, instead of an AC/5. PGI could call the above mech a Denton or CLNT-DNTN, and it fits the base payload of the mech, but it's obvioulsy not the original Denton.

#20085 Jay Leon Hart

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 01:19 AM

The Clint is the only Classic 'mech I have any interest in.

Myke Pantera offers this possible inflation for available variants though I don;t agree with them all and they all need some AMS love.

Standard
CLNT-2-3T
CLNT-1-2R
CLNT-2-3U

Collector
CLNT-2-3T(S)

Reinforcements
CLNT-2-4T
CLNT-5U

Hero
CLNT-2-3TD "Denton"

#20086 Odanan

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 03:05 AM

View PostJay Leon Hart, on 09 March 2019 - 01:19 AM, said:

The Clint is the only Classic 'mech I have any interest in.

Myke Pantera offers this possible inflation for available variants though I don;t agree with them all and they all need some AMS love.

Standard
CLNT-2-3T
CLNT-1-2R
CLNT-2-3U

Collector
CLNT-2-3T(S)

Reinforcements
CLNT-2-4T
CLNT-5U

Hero
CLNT-2-3TD "Denton"

These are pretty cool.

#20087 TheArisen

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 09:31 AM

View PostJay Leon Hart, on 09 March 2019 - 01:19 AM, said:

The Clint is the only Classic 'mech I have any interest in.

Myke Pantera offers this possible inflation for available variants though I don;t agree with them all and they all need some AMS love.

Standard
CLNT-2-3T
CLNT-1-2R
CLNT-2-3U

Collector
CLNT-2-3T(S)

Reinforcements
CLNT-2-4T
CLNT-5U

Hero
CLNT-2-3TD "Denton"


I think it'd be cool if we got some more MASC equipped variants.

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 11:52 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 09 March 2019 - 09:31 AM, said:

I think it'd be cool if we got some more MASC equipped variants.

Unlike ECM, which PGI has assigned to variants that don't carry it in the first place, they're a bit pickier with MASC. They only seem to assign it to variants that carried it in the first place. However, with what I would like to see, 2 PGI made variants would allow them to put in ECM or MASC variants all on their own.

I suppose MASC is also something they could do with the hero . . . but if they do any semblance of a Denton variant, I wouldn't go higher than 3039 tech on it (which is why I propose making it unique by making it an AMS boat). To many, it's grating enough when they take a canon hero and put a non-canon build on it . . . but making a non-canon build that's too far outside the timeline of the hero could cause even more backlash for PGI.

#20089 FupDup

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 12:02 PM

I decided to make a spreadsheet of the Argus for the lols.

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The made up XT variant came from MekTek's MW4 mod and the heroes I just made up. I'm leaning more towards the second hero because it stands out a bit more from the rest.

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 12:20 PM

View PostFupDup, on 09 March 2019 - 12:02 PM, said:

I decided to make a spreadsheet of the Argus for the lols.
*snip*
The made up XT variant came from MekTek's MW4 mod and the heroes I just made up. I'm leaning more towards the second hero because it stands out a bit more from the rest.

I'd be happy to see the XT as an Argus variant. I really enjoy running that model through MekTek. They could actually make it the Hero, if they wanted, as a form of homage to MekTek and what it did for MW4.

#20091 FLG 01

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 02:32 PM

Ironically, the Argus was one of the few MW:4 originals I could warm up to. Of course, that was the one PGI ignored when they were in their MW:4-reloaded frenzy...

The possibility of running an AC/20 with an XL would be great, exactly my playstyle. I learned to love the Champion but that is what I am truly missing.

#20092 Odanan

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Posted 09 March 2019 - 04:32 PM

View PostFLG 01, on 09 March 2019 - 02:32 PM, said:

Ironically, the Argus was one of the few MW:4 originals I could warm up to. Of course, that was the one PGI ignored when they were in their MW:4-reloaded frenzy...

I feel the same here...

#20093 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 12:29 AM

View PostOdanan, on 09 March 2019 - 04:32 PM, said:

I feel the same here...

Me too, Argus is my favorite mech from the MW4 era

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 10:49 AM

Argus is one of the worst looking but best engineered 'Mechs to come out. If you can imagine the assembly line for it would be streamlined and quick. It's as if an actual engineer designed it... LOL. Although the engineer who did design it didn't have the slightest clue how myomer worked or it's legs would be thicker.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 11:02 AM

View PostMarauder3D, on 06 March 2019 - 09:03 AM, said:

The Pixie is the pre-eminent recon mech of the BattleTech universe up to at least 3055 or so. It would be a major oversight if it wasn't included at release.

the pre-eminent recon mech of the inner sphere up until 3055 was the Wasp or Stinger. As these mech were still being produced by the Davion, Lyran and Marik military industrial complexes.

Edited by Battlesblood, 20 March 2019 - 11:03 AM.


#20096 Scout Derek

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 12:15 PM

Gunna say that a IIC mech is coming out next, or the Turkina.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 01:18 PM

View PostScout Derek, on 20 March 2019 - 12:15 PM, said:

Gunna say that a IIC mech is coming out next, or the Turkina.

A IIC, you say? How do you like a Wolverine IIC? Conjurer? Hellhound? (MW4 design or burst)

I wouldn't mind the Turkina (Dire Wolf with jump jets, not exactly brilliant) but I can bet the next Clan assault is the (better) Stone Rhino.

BTW, good to see you alive, Scout!

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 06:20 PM

View PostOdanan, on 20 March 2019 - 01:18 PM, said:

A IIC, you say? How do you like a Wolverine IIC? Conjurer? Hellhound? (MW4 design or burst)

I wouldn't mind the Turkina (Dire Wolf with jump jets, not exactly brilliant) but I can bet the next Clan assault is the (better) Stone Rhino.

BTW, good to see you alive, Scout!

I wouldn't mind a Griffin IIC, Shadowhawk IIC, Urbanmech IIC, or Commando IIC . . . and of course a Clint IIC or Stinger IIC would be nice, but we'd need the originals first. A Stinger IIC would be a great reason to have a Wasp/Stinger combo pack the month before.

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Posted 20 March 2019 - 07:08 PM

View PostSereglach, on 20 March 2019 - 06:20 PM, said:

I wouldn't mind a Griffin IIC, Shadowhawk IIC, Urbanmech IIC, or Commando IIC . . . and of course a Clint IIC or Stinger IIC would be nice, but we'd need the originals first. A Stinger IIC would be a great reason to have a Wasp/Stinger combo pack the month before.

I think it would be hilarious if we got the Clint IIC before the Clint. I would be frustrated and annoyed, but still. If only PGI had a sense of humor!

Edited by BarHaid, 20 March 2019 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2019 - 07:18 PM

Barhalf they could in theory just drop both at the sametime in a bundle due to it being a light mech.





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