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[Quicksilver Aberration]

LordKnightFandragon, on 20 March 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Yeah, MW4 did get damage very, very wrong...pulse lasers were an utter joke there....like 0.67dmg per shot and ****....lolwut?

There is a very big difference between Vengeance and Mercs when it comes to pulse lasers, just fyi.

In vengeance, all lasers had the same DPS per ton as the rest in their tech base. So ERLL, ERLPL, ERMPL, ERML, ERSPL, and the ERSL all had the same DPS per ton (something like 0.4 DPS per ton).

In mercs, they learned why that was a bad idea and increased the DPS on the pulse weapons to compensate for the difference between continuous fire and burst/alpha type weapons. They just didn't increase it to be quite enough, but they at least tried to make the weapons compete for different roles which is nice given the lack of really different energy weapons.

[Deathlike]

Here's my suggestion to Bishop Steiner.

Write a page-thread review about the previous quirks and the post quirks... compare and explain why or why not said changes are good/bad/terribad in a concise format. Then suggest improvements to the quirks (be creative if possible).

I'm behind on my Gargoyle post (sorry, been doing stuff and CW for the event), but I'll present it really soon.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 21 March 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

Here's my suggestion to Bishop Steiner.

Write a page-thread review about the previous quirks and the post quirks... compare and explain why or why not said changes are good/bad/terribad in a concise format. Then suggest improvements to the quirks (be creative if possible).

I'm behind on my Gargoyle post (sorry, been doing stuff and CW for the event), but I'll present it really soon.

I got a better plan.

Accept Russ wants it to suck, drink more, stop caring.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Didn't Mike Frost say he was in charge of the clan quirks?

[Anakha]

Yes and he's been actually posting in the quirks thread which is pretty nice. But PGI still needs to devote some dev time to addressing the other factors effecting the Summoner. Namely letting us remove some JJ's considering the current state of JJ's in this game and also allowing it to upgrade to ES or swap FF for ES. This would help the Summoner dramatically.

[Bishop Steiner]

Anakha, on 26 March 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Yes and he's been actually posting in the quirks thread which is pretty nice. But PGI still needs to devote some dev time to addressing the other factors effecting the Summoner. Namely letting us remove some JJ's considering the current state of JJ's in this game and also allowing it to upgrade to ES or swap FF for ES. This would help the Summoner dramatically.

can't support this. Summoner without JJs is not a Summoner. Mechs need to be fixed to be viable for what they are and are suppsoed to be, not stipped laservomit metashadows recognizable by canon Names only.

[LordKnightFandragon]

WM Quicksilver, on 20 March 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

There is a very big difference between Vengeance and Mercs when it comes to pulse lasers, just fyi.

In vengeance, all lasers had the same DPS per ton as the rest in their tech base. So ERLL, ERLPL, ERMPL, ERML, ERSPL, and the ERSL all had the same DPS per ton (something like 0.4 DPS per ton).

In mercs, they learned why that was a bad idea and increased the DPS on the pulse weapons to compensate for the difference between continuous fire and burst/alpha type weapons. They just didn't increase it to be quite enough, but they at least tried to make the weapons compete for different roles which is nice given the lack of really different energy weapons.

I still never, ever, ever, took pulse weapons in MW4 any variant. It was ML's LLs, PPCs, SSRMs, LRMs and ACs of 10 or higher....or 5s in bunches....only possible cuz I played with ammo off.

It was funny to watch pulse laser mechs fire though, its like CERPPCs in this game, so much effort, so little result.

Bishop Steiner, on 26 March 2015 - 10:05 AM, said:

can't support this. Summoner without JJs is not a Summoner. Mechs need to be fixed to be viable for what they are and are suppsoed to be, not stipped laservomit metashadows recognizable by canon Names only.

You mean you dont want a Summoner with 11 MPL slots and DHS to support it?

shad0w4life, on 21 March 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

Didn't Mike Frost say he was in charge of the clan quirks?

And does he have a better clue then the other people who did the IS quirks? Or is Frost the quirk guy?

[Bishop Steiner]

better...but not quite where I was hoping. Still,will be interesting to see how it fares.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

The machine gun quirks are still lol. Since you can mount at best 3 MGs, it is going to take more than 5% better ROF to make them actually viable. The MG range quirks are also still making me scratch my head.

[Telmasa]

Meh. It's slightly more mobile, and the LBX/ERPPC arms are sorta nice, but the rest...blahhh.

I'm not sure I'll even have to revise any builds in my thread about the Summoner.

(shameless plug: http://mwomercs.com/...theorycrafting/)

I'll think about it though, just for the sake of playing along with the devs *trying* to get people to like the 'stock' builds somehow.

[Bishop Steiner]

Telmasa, on 06 April 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

Meh. It's slightly more mobile, and the LBX/ERPPC arms are sorta nice, but the rest...blahhh.

I'm not sure I'll even have to revise any builds in my thread about the Summoner.

(shameless plug: http://mwomercs.com/...theorycrafting/)

I'll think about it though, just for the sake of playing along with the devs *trying* to get people to like the 'stock' builds somehow.

Stock(ish) Summoner Prime is best, most fun, Summoner Prime.


Trew Story.

[Tahribator]

Slightly better. I just wish they gave all of the arms some armor+structure instead of specific ones. I'm going to miss my +30% AMS range too, it was a unique little quirk. Otherwise this is another step in the right direction.

[Sorbic]

Still wish it would receive a little JJ bonus but I am happy the legs are getting some love.

[Deathlike]

WM Quicksilver, on 06 April 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

The machine gun quirks are still lol. Since you can mount at best 3 MGs, it is going to take more than 5% better ROF to make them actually viable. The MG range quirks are also still making me scratch my head.

Essentially, you'd need a 10% ROF to make just 1 MG shoot 1 more bullet over 1 second... due to how MGs operate (.1s = 1 bullet).

So... lol what.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 April 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

better...but not quite where I was hoping. Still,will be interesting to see how it fares.

Is that LBX spread quirk even noticeable? Since they took the SMN Prime off trial I cant play with it. Kinda wish the SMN, SMR? got a 10-12.5% ERPPC speed boost in the prime though....its only 1.

[ZenFool]

LordKnightFandragon, on 06 April 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Is that LBX spread quirk even noticeable? Since they took the SMN Prime off trial I cant play with it. Kinda wish the SMN, SMR? got a 10-12.5% ERPPC speed boost in the prime though....its only 1.

I got about 25 meters range out of my orion with the lbx spread reduction. Still shorter effective range than SHORT range missiles.

[Lightfoot]

I don't think the Clan mechs can be balanced without change-able Internal Structure and Armor types. The fixed engines is enough for them to retain their lore characteristics. With PGI bending the stats on all the Clan weapons to balance them with Inner Sphere it should be okay and is almost mandatory to make all the mechs compete in a balanced way. You want a level playing field for all the mechs.

[Mcgral18]

Lightfoot, on 06 April 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

I don't think the Clan mechs can be balanced without change-able Internal Structure and Armor types. The fixed engines is enough for them to retain their lore characteristics. With PGI bending the stats on all the Clan weapons to balance them with Inner Sphere it should be okay and is almost mandatory to make all the mechs compete in a balanced way. You want a level playing field for all the mechs.

The Nova just got 2.5 tons of Armour(well, structure, with optional armour), the same it would get from Endo(without being any more durable)

It's a step in the right direction.

[Koniving]

Wintersdark, on 21 December 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Unlocking ES/FF on all clan chassis but *not* seriously quirking them allows them flexibility without the extreme strength in a particular area.

Bad idea. It isn't even supposed to be much of an option for regular mechs, why free it up on the Omnimechs?

The issue is PGI's lack of realizing something very simple from the BT universe. All Battlemechs feature what the Omnimechs call Fixed Equipment.

Fixed Equipment being defined as anything that would take longer than 1 day to change, i.e. armor values, 'fixed' weapons, fixed equipment, etc.

That Flamer in the Adder's head? "Fixed." Meaning that like the Firestarter, it'd take technicians about 3 weeks to a month and a half to change it out. This happens to be the case with every Firestarter! "Fixed Equipment."

Structure? Virtually impossible to change unless you're wealthy enough to schedule an appointment and a few months of work at a factory to disassemble and reassemble your mech on a new skeleton made of endo steel, complete with modifications to adapt your mech's design for the fact that your mech just grew in size!

Armor? Not that difficult but certainly a pain. Clans don't change it because "Why?" IS doesn't change it because "I'm broke." But the typical way to get a little extra weight is to add Ferro. That's the way it's supposed to be.

The problem isn't that endo/ferro is locked. It's that Endo is NOT locked when it should be for the Inner Sphere.

[Bishop Steiner]

LordKnightFandragon, on 06 April 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Is that LBX spread quirk even noticeable? Since they took the SMN Prime off trial I cant play with it. Kinda wish the SMN, SMR? got a 10-12.5% ERPPC speed boost in the prime though....its only 1.

since the quirks dont happen til tomorrow, IDK..but the CN9D got a similar boost, and yeah, i notice it.