85 replies to this topic

[Andi Nagasia]

wanderer, on 26 December 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

Or you just simply leave things as they are, There's even more options in time, including compact gyros and engines.

Even installing a compact gyro will give you 4 crits in the CT open, enough to mount some decently punchy weapons.

People complain about limitations, all the while un-thinking that this is like complaining about WWII stats for that Mustang and wanting to make them into F-16's RIGHT NOW to go beat up Germany.

More options will open with the timeline. Hell, there's a ton of things that would change MWO utterly that are simply unimplemented and exist in 3049. Hardened armor. Mech-equippable artillery. Just to name two.

Begging for tech to get randomly stuffed in just means we get less proper fixes on what exists, and it'll only clash with what goes in after it. Better to do this all in order.

its not that i dont agree with you,
its just allot of the "Just leave things as they are" talk isnt helping ether,

different Cockpits and Gyros may be hard to implement in MWO,
as they are Fixed equipment in all Chassis and added to an engines weight,

this isnt about saying that i want my IS-Mechs(Mustang) to be as good as Clan(Bf-109),
its about adding something that will benefit both sides, though the Clan bonus is in their Quirks,

yes more options can come soon in the time line,
however PGI & Russ have said they are flexible, they already have released 3051-52 equipment & chassis,
LFE was available in the feild in 3053, as experimental tech, meaning it was already developed in 3052,

actually i asking for LFE for the benefit of balance,
and am not to hamper it, in any way what so ever,
-Example-
currently some believe Clan are op, lighter weapons and survivable XLs,
it can be said both sides weapons are balanced but thats another discussion,
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so IS get more Quirks, and Clan gets penalties,
this will continue for weeks and months untill balance is achieved,
at which point both sides have what is believed stable footing,
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now add in your LFE,
now IS have an high advantage to Clan now,
and the whole system needs to be rebalanced again,
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so after months of balancing,
they would need to rebalanced again,
if they add LFE into the game later,

thats the problem i see,
thats why i made this Topic,

Edit- Spelling

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 26 December 2014 - 09:17 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

still think IS needs this,

[Antagonist]

Wolfwood592, on 22 December 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

Best thing they could do IMO is advance the timeline to release LFEs and ERMLs. You would quiet the complaints about Clan and further move towards balancing the battlefield.

Good post, great idea.

Yeah, but then they'd have to rebalance the clans again. The horror!

TBH they should've added some new equipment for the IS when they added the clans. Odds are they'll have to rebalance the game every time they give one faction new stuff to play with but not the other.

[Johnny Z]

I am guessing IS will get light fusion engine. The quirks balanced the weapons and equipment, it did not balanced the OP Omni mech XL. SO the is gets this or an XL that doesnt blow on a side torso loss. Then we have balanced tech and the easy mode clanners will cry like the giant man babies they are.

[wanderer]

The clans already are crying.

Thunder, Thunder, Thunderbolt, HOOOOOOOO!

[Brody319]

wanderer, on 10 January 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

The clans already are crying.

Thunder, Thunder, Thunderbolt, HOOOOOOOO!

Not really. I look forward to watching all this pointless annoying complaining from IS players to finally be silenced. Then I'm sure we can get on to the IS bitching about something else entirely pointless.

[Metus regem]

wanderer, on 10 January 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

The clans already are crying.

Thunder, Thunder, Thunderbolt, HOOOOOOOO!

I am not, I welcomed the extra challenge, then I learned how to over come it, now I look forward to the next puzzle.

[Andi Nagasia]

hopefully we will see this as (Way Over Priced IS Experimental Tech) in 3052,
yes i know it isnt common till 3060, but LFE were available as experimental in 3052,

[Lily from animove]

fully customizeable IS mechs with FSE's? WOAH my atlas is drooling right now.

wanderer, on 10 January 2015 - 09:23 PM, said:

The clans already are crying.

Thunder, Thunder, Thunderbolt, HOOOOOOOO!

man this is exactly what I think when I see a thunderbold xD

damn freaking 80's cartoons.

Edited by Lily from animove, 23 January 2015 - 02:00 AM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Lily from animove, on 23 January 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

fully customizeable IS mechs with FSE's? WOAH my atlas is drooling right now.

i can see this being a major balance factor for IS,
allowing Clan to get abit more freedom in return,

[kapusta11]

Every new tech is OP from now on if you use PGI logic.

[Andi Nagasia]

kapusta11, on 25 January 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

Every new tech is OP from now on if you use PGI logic.

its not really PGI logic, but Players who dont want any Change,

when ever some one makes a topic about adding something anything,
you always get some players saying no, that adding those things wont work,

i dont see how the game can progress with-out moving forward,
ya they are fine with New Mech Packs, but they will fight any New Tech,
im sorry, i would love this game to move forward both with- Mech&Tech,

[Brody319]

Andi Nagasia, on 30 January 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

its not really PGI logic, but Players who dont want any Change,

when ever some one makes a topic about adding something anything,
you always get some players saying no, that adding those things wont work,

i dont see how the game can progress with-out moving forward,
ya they are fine with New Mech Packs, but they will fight any New Tech,
im sorry, i would love this game to move forward both with- Mech&Tech,

but if the flea isn't tier 1 then...the game is truly dead!

[Y E O N N E]

The game is dead simply because they won't make the Flea at all.

[Andi Nagasia]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 January 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

The game is dead simply because they won't make the Flea at all.

seems like reasonable Logic, but as it is LFE would be an interesting addition,
but would for balance i would say only give 3(150LFE)(250LFE)(350LFE),
this way STD and XLs would still have lots of options over LFE,

[Thunderchild]

Andi Nagasia, on 10 March 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

seems like reasonable Logic, but as it is LFE would be an interesting addition,
but would for balance i would say only give 3(150LFE)(250LFE)(350LFE),
this way STD and XLs would still have lots of options over LFE,

Given that most people rock STD 300's or so I would put that one as well inside

[Lugh]

Mcgral18, on 22 December 2014 - 06:28 PM, said:

Something tells me it will go the other way.



It's considerably more effective.

Night and day. With twin UAC5s IS I can gaurantee a kill in short order. With twin clan UAC5s I cannot. because chances are at least one of those precious bullets will miss entirely or hit the adjacent compartment instead of the beet red torso I was shooting at, because no one stands still.

[LordBraxton]

Look a clan XL that weighs significantly more! IDK why they went with 12v12. Neutering clans is lame but it's the only way to get 1 for 1 balance. The only clan-tier IS mechs are the Thud and Stalker due to insane quiks. Such a mess at this point....

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

We need more period.

LFEs aren't as game changing as everyone assumes. The only way LFEs would obsolete the Standard is if they do away with engine caps, a Stalker or Awesome won't really benefit. The Atlas will have some builds that benefit and some that don't. The Victor will benefit as will the Highlander. The Wubshee will benefit while the Dakkashee won't.

Most of the heavies except a few fringe cases like the Dragon 1N and Catapult will benefit. I don't really see the Jager benefitting because it needs max tonnage. The Hoppers aren't really going to benefit, nor do I see Thuds benefitting much. The biggest beneficiaries for LFEs in the lineup are the Orion snd Cataphract, both of which could use the help.

The 55 tonners are still mostly going to XL for maximum firepower and because they have high engine caps they can take advantage of, the only exception being the SRM brawlers. The Cents won't gain enough tonnage from an LFE due to low engine caps. The Ballistic Hunchbacks have everything to gain. The Trebs are still better off as XL.

And lights are going to go XL. Always.


It'd be a massive buff to IS without ridiculous quirks and then PGI could roll back most of the hefty quirks we see.

[Kavoh]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 17 June 2015 - 07:39 AM, said:

We need more period.

LFEs aren't as game changing as everyone assumes. The only way LFEs would obsolete the Standard is if they do away with engine caps, a Stalker or Awesome won't really benefit. The Atlas will have some builds that benefit and some that don't. The Victor will benefit as will the Highlander. The Wubshee will benefit while the Dakkashee won't.

Most of the heavies except a few fringe cases like the Dragon 1N and Catapult will benefit. I don't really see the Jager benefitting because it needs max tonnage. The Hoppers aren't really going to benefit, nor do I see Thuds benefitting much. The biggest beneficiaries for LFEs in the lineup are the Orion snd Cataphract, both of which could use the help.

The 55 tonners are still mostly going to XL for maximum firepower and because they have high engine caps they can take advantage of, the only exception being the SRM brawlers. The Cents won't gain enough tonnage from an LFE due to low engine caps. The Ballistic Hunchbacks have everything to gain. The Trebs are still better off as XL.

And lights are going to go XL. Always.


It'd be a massive buff to IS without ridiculous quirks and then PGI could roll back most of the hefty quirks we see.

I am still as skeptical as I was back in December when I posted my concerns. You say you don't think it will be as big a game changer as people think, but considering things are (I hate using this word) "balanced" right now around these engine differences/weapon differences, it would be a MASSIVE boost to the IS. Shield arms/side torsos, slot availability, weight reduction for many heavies/assaults, etc. would be extreme.

For the moderate ratings (250-350), the jump in weight from an XL is negligible for anything heavier than a light mech, and it would then be better and more modular (read:customizable/not locked/no heat penalty) than the clan XLs are right now.

Don't get me wrong. I want new and exciting equipment, but considering how ridiculously long it takes PGI (sorry guys and gals at PGI, its true...) to balance virtually any aspect of this game, it would be too much for them to handle right now. A mech here, a new mech system there is one thing, but imo giving IS LFEs right now would tip the scales too much considering all the tweaking PGI has done to balance 12v12 clans and IS. The amount of nerf rollbacks and quirk changes would be way too grand of an undertaking for them in one fell swoop, and a fell swoop is what would be needed.

If they prepared for the LFEs introduction ahead of time, and slowly worked their way up to them tech/balance wise, such as changing values slowly ahead of time, then it might be ok. But just randomly appearing in a mech packs description one day could be disastrous.

Just my 2 c-bills.