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[xWiredx]

MWO cares very little for memory performance beyond DDR3-1600. There might be a tiny (~1fps) increase going to DDR3-1866, but beyond that there is no noticeable gain to be had. In fact, that is true with any game. Only a few niche things really require tons of memory bandwidth. At least, that is true with Intel systems. Intel memory controllers perform far better than AMD's. With AMD chips, you might still see a tiny (~1-3fps) gain going from DDR3-1600 to DDR3-2133

[Goose]

xWiredx, on 02 January 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

Goose, those sites all have the same basic testing methodology for their thermal paste - put a half-pea dot on the heatsink, smoosh it down, and then hope to god it was applied the right way the first time so they can squeeze out some temperature numbers after running a benchmark. That is an awful methodology, and the reason a couple of sites decided to go very in-depth with their testing methodologies for similar "shoot outs". HardOCP and Benchmark Reviews both went into great detail with how they were testing and what they were testing for. In fact, HardOCP took it a step further in one way by testing using both "popular" application methods, then comparing the better of the two scores for each compound to see which ones performed the best and which method seemed to work best. In addition, HardOCP recognized the curing time on various pastes while BR dealt with the settling of various compounds by making sure each one is properly mixed before application. In-depth methodology > squirt, smoosh, lollercoasters

http://www.hardwares...-Part-1/1303/11

I'm not seeing the problem …

[Lord Letto]

No 1TB 7200RPM SATA III (SATA 6 Gb/s) 3.5" Deskstar, the one I have listed is the cheapest Deskstar in that Category but 3TB instead of 1, there's a 2TB Ultrastar for like $18 Less though:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler ($37.49 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($13.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $966.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 18:56 EST-0500

Edited by Lord Letto, 02 January 2015 - 04:00 PM.

[TheSilken]

http://pcpartpicker....d-drive-0f10383

[Lord Letto]

That's SATA II (SATA 3Gb/s), it's older and slower than SATA III (SATA 6Gb/s), I'd recommend sticking with SATA III (SATA 6Gb/s)
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Serial_ATA
http://kb.sandisk.co...ii-and-sata-iii
https://www.sata-io....ming-guidelines

Edited by Lord Letto, 02 January 2015 - 04:31 PM.

[TheSilken]

Yea I caught that after I posted it

[xWiredx]

...no spinning drive has, to my knowledge, saturated a 3gbps link except maybe for the hybrid drives that also have an 8GB SSD module attached. Either way, I'm playing CW instead of putting my time into pcpartspicker and I won't be on the rest of the weekend once 11PM eastern hits.

[Chiron]

Lord Letto, on 02 January 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

No 1TB 7200RPM SATA III (SATA 6 Gb/s) 3.5" Deskstar, the one I have listed is the cheapest Deskstar in that Category but 3TB instead of 1, there's a 2TB Ultrastar for like $18 Less though:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler ($37.49 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($13.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $966.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 18:56 EST-0500

Why an i5 4670k? The 4690k is faster & $10-$15 less. This is an honest question, as I'm not an intel expert.

[Lord Letto]

chiron, on 02 January 2015 - 05:46 PM, said:

Why an i5 4670k? The 4690k is faster & $10-$15 less. This is an honest question, as I'm not an intel expert.

i took someone elses build and changed it, thanks for the heads up:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler ($37.49 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 12g Thermal Paste ($13.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $961.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-03 02:33 EST-0500

[TheSilken]

I just gotta ask: this has a disc drive right?

[Flapdrol]

For dvd's? doesn't look like it.

Been using a small external disk to install windows. 8GB usb stick works too.

[TheSilken]

So I would have to use a USB to install my CD games?

Edit: Price of the Rosewill has gone up too

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 03 January 2015 - 05:47 AM.

[Smokeyjedi]

TheSilkenPimp, on 03 January 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

So I would have to use a USB to install my CD games?

you can grab An Asus dvd burner for like 19.00 ..... new.....

[TheSilken]

I'll do that

[Brakkar]

Big NO to Asrock motherboard, big YES to Gigabyte.
Simple fact, quality and customer support is much better with Gigabyte.
I had one Asrock motherboard and never again.
I was changing a case and I was removing cables, some pins from USB came off with the cable (I was removing the cables gently), took me hours to remove the pins from the cable. And in the end I didn't get the motherboard RMA'd.
On the other hand, I had an RMA case of Gigabyte motherboard, bent cpu socket pins, fixed in no time.

CPU and GPU, 4690 and 970 will satisfy your needs, be it gaming or some other light tasks.
Strongly advise to get the SSD / M2 for system and another drive, maybe SSHD, for gaming.
RAM is your choice, but Haswell likes fast ram, so I'd advise getting good 2133/2400 Mhz sticks, the prices went down a lot with DDR4 slowly becoming mainstream.
You should be able to close it in 900$ easily.

[Chiron]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 02:09 PM, said:

Awesome. Thanks to everyone for the help I think that I'll use this one. Next help with assembly......

Grab a Phillips screwdriver.
Get this from best buy ($5)
http://www.bestbuy.c...6&skuId=6307463
Then clip it to your case, and get cracking! I suggest YouTube for howto's.

Take your time, it's like a hybrid between Legos and replacing a car air filter.

[TheSilken]

Ok so assembly isn't too hard so long as I focus on what I'm doing then right?

[Smokeyjedi]

TheSilkenPimp, on 03 January 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Ok so assembly isn't too hard so long as I focus on what I'm doing then right?

The hard part is stopping after its all together.....sometimes OCD sets in and every wire cable, cord and hatch/plug/stopper has to be in its place. That is the hard part......
Than its "do I even want to put the side panel on to hide my goodness?"

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Smokeyjedi, on 03 January 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

The hard part is stopping after its all together.....sometimes OCD sets in and every wire cable, cord and hatch/plug/stopper has to be in its place. That is the hard part......
Than its "do I even want to put the side panel on to hide my goodness?"

Then it's boot up for BEEEEEPPPPPPP...........and then you ruin all your cable tidying

[TheSilken]

And OCing?