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[Chiron]

Go buy the rig, before sales change and we have to rebuild the rig. Once you have it all put together, and running, come back here. We'll get you to download prime95 and CPU-z, see what your working with, THEN it's time to OC!

[TheSilken]

$971 is a little more than I had planned on so I need to wait until Thursday (paycheck). Do you think the sales will hold til then?

Edit: Apparently I might even have to wait until the following week. Damn expenses holding me back.

Edit 2.0: Or I could hold off on the Hitachi Deskstar until the following week and get the rest of the rig this Thursday.

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 03 January 2015 - 12:42 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

TheSilkenPimp, on 03 January 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

$971 is a little more than I had planned on so I need to wait until Thursday (paycheck). Do you think the sales will hold til then?

Edit: Apparently I might even have to wait until the following week. Damn expenses holding me back.

Edit 2.0: Or I could hold off on the Hitachi Deskstar until the following week and get the rest of the rig this Thursday.

Get the main components and anything that is on a time limited sale, then add to it from there.

[TheSilken]

Ok so the combo stuff today then get the rest as we go. Roger 1 sec

[TheSilken]

I heard that Water Cooled Heatsinks fail often. This true?

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 03 January 2015 - 03:14 PM.

[TheSilken]

I think that I might actually have Windows 7 Pro lying around here. If I use that instead it wont effect performance too much right?

[Goose]

Teh non-AiO water loops basically have fish tank levels of maintenance, the way I heard it …

[Kuritaclan]

TheSilkenPimp, on 03 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

I heard that Water Cooled Heatsinks fail often. This true?

No - there are a couple aios that have leaked. customized waterloops is your own business but for normal purppose they don't do.

But why you will even buy one. Since pumps produce noise/also the fans on the radiator - a air cooler is in most cases cheaper don't get problems with pumps and is good in noise without additional equiping fans, since stock fans of most air coolrs are quite nowaday. And up to the level of 100$ air coolers there arn't any watercooler aio's which perform better. Only customized loops have an edge but they are more expensive.

[TheSilken]

Well I was thinking that I didn't want the fans because they would suck in the hot air (when the fireplace is on) which would raise the temperature and cause issues.

[Kuritaclan]

Temps within the case are up to a well thought airflow. You can reduce temp of air by over 10°K with the right flow. And if the air is "cold" heat is better transmited from the aircooler so you have better cpu cooling.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 10 January 2015 - 09:38 PM.

[TheSilken]

Ok I tweaked it a bit so that it includes an Optical Drive and uses an air cooler instead. I also dropped Win 8.1 because I believe I got Win 7 Professional lying around so I plan on using that instead. Let me know if I messed it all up or if there is an issue. Thanks!

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bfd6Lk
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....Lk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DVD-E818AAT/BLK/B/GEN DVD/CD Drive ($17.94 @ OutletPC)
Total: $900.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 10 January 2015 - 11:08 PM.

[TheSilken]

Now on to warranties. What do you all suggest I get for them?

[xWiredx]

I've never (literally) bought an extended warranty for any of my parts. If they are defective, you'll usually know in the first 30 days and if you're not an idiot with your equipment then the stuff that isn't defective will last for years. Since most manufacturers have somewhere between a 90-day and 3 year warranty, it has never seemed to make sense to me. Some people like it when buying from certain retailers because it makes replacing something easier, but that's about it. Read the default warranty stuff from for each part and decide that way.

[Kuritaclan]

@ TheSilkenPimp

to your rig.

first is graphic card get a 280. It is not so much the more performance you get but the 1 GB VRAM you have on those cards. Watch Dogs was a perfect example of bad VRAM use last year. This will happen more often since game design getting modular instead of good programmers try to use least cpu/gpu/ram use to bring the same performance.

on the power supply. - Your system will eat somewhat 300 to 350W. There is no need for such a big psu beside the fact that this is not a good product eather.

I would suggest you buy a
http://www.newegg.co...9-058-_-Product
or a
http://www.newegg.co...1-119-_-Product
(i only found the 550, there is a 450 Version available, you should go for this - it also might be cheaper)
or a
Super Flower Golden Green HX 450W ATX 2.3 (SF-450P14XE (HX))
(i don't have a us store link, so you should look it up in some stores and compare prices in your country)

Yes those are on the first look more expensive, but better for your hardware on the long run.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 11 January 2015 - 09:58 AM.

[xWiredx]

The Seasonic PSU isn't a good product? You must have very little actual idea of what you're talking about. The Super Flower unit is definitely good, no doubt there. However, the higher the load goes, the less ripple Seasonics have, and in any load that matters (above like... 200W) Seasonic PSUs are better than Super Flower units in most tests. Further, Seasonic has better 3.3v and 5v rail design compared to most Super Flower units. The 12v rail is a wash depending on the particular unit, they each seem to do excellent in that regard. The only real place that some units on either side fall off is efficiency. Some units, usually the cheaper ones, on both sides just barely meet their touted efficiency claims, while top-tier ones tend to blow them out of the water.

The exact PSU the OP has in his list fits every bit of the above description, btw.

He could go for something with less headroom. Right now a 500W PSU would probably be fine. If he wants to upgrade the GPU in the next couple of years, though, and doesn't want to change anything else, a more capable PSU now would save money down the road.

[TheSilken]

I found that exact CPU for $20 cheaper nearby so the cost will be actually $880.17. I might put that money to extra fans blades.

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 11 January 2015 - 11:01 AM.

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($7.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB DUAL-X Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $899.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 14:02 EST-0500


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($7.40 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar NAS 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($125.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280 3GB DUAL-X Video Card ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Gelid Solutions FN-FW12BPL-18 75.6 CFM 120mm Fan ($18.99 @ Directron)
Total: $898.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-11 14:07 EST-0500Edit:

Edited by Lord Letto, 11 January 2015 - 11:07 AM.

[TheSilken]

Thanks Lord Letto for putting it down on paper

[Kuritaclan]

@ xWiredx

The 12II Series are Singlerail-"fail", when i'm correct. And this isn't a good psu design in 2015, for sure the advantage of singlerail psus are they are cheap to engineer and to produce. This is an advantage for the manufacturer in first place! The disadvantage they arn't that save. Best examples for this are Thermaltake European and Germany Series. - But yeah Multirail is no state of the art in us, well maybee in a couple years. And Seasonic have good psu with multirail. Efficiency is not the only point they differ.

compare:
SeaSonic M12II Series: Over Voltage Protection (OVP), Short Circuit Protection (SCP), and Over Power Protection (OPP)
SeaSonic G Series: Over Power Protection (OPP)/ Over Voltage Protection (OVP), Short Circuit Protection (SCP)/ Under Voltage Protection (UVP), Over Current Protection (OCP)/ Over Temperature Protection (OTP)

Do you see what makes psu's superior?

And if you pull the trigger on the "the less ripple" argument. You should questioning the 3 phase (6 with doublers) vrm of the Asrock Z97 Pro4 aswell. Idk. - In the end this Mobo is the same like the H97 Pro4 vrm compared only the chipset differ (integreated oc, lane layout for serving 8x/8x sli/cf support and such things), but since asrock and asus are those who overcome the intel lock for cpu oc, you could go for a H97 Pro4 in this case and have a nearly equal mainboard for lesser price. Or get a true 4 (8 with doublers) Phase H97 Asrock Fatality Performance (http://www.pcgamewar...erboard-review/) what is a couple bugs saving compared to the Z97 Pro 4 and have the better vrm and equipment like the soundchip. xD

And to be clear when you say: "He could go for something with less headroom. Right now a 500W PSU would probably be fine. If he wants to upgrade the GPU in the next couple of years, though, and doesn't want to change anything else, a more capable PSU now would save money down the road." - the trend in gpu is less power consumption with same or better performance. Also you can't use SLI/CF on the Mobo if you come with this guess, since the second PCIe is only 4x what is a bit short to use it with two gpus anyway. And 620W with that efficency wouldn't go good anyhow. So in the no you never need a oversized psu - it only costs you more wattage caused by ineffiency.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 11 January 2015 - 11:42 AM.

[Goose]

TheSilkenPimp, on 10 January 2015 - 09:25 PM, said:

… when the fireplace is on …

Move the fireplace …