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[Deathlike]

I feel like my explanation of the 3 ERPPC is missed... that specific build is not good for brawling. The whole point is that you can stuff 4 mediums in it and splurge at close range (even probably chain firing ERPPCs) when you need them to smash the gens, Omega, and other mechs.

It's just that people are focusing too much on a pro-Sniper build and not other builds and alternatives that is oddly baffling based on the quirks that exist.

Comparing it to a Hellbringer... is strangely a weak argument. They should be able to compete with each other, but in some ways the edge can go to the Thunderbolt based on the quirks and usage/application. Then again... using ERPPCs on a Hellbringer is generally a big risk unless you can actually aim (the velocity is pretty bad w/o any quirks).

Edited by Deathlike, 02 January 2015 - 06:11 PM.

[kf envy]

Davers, on 02 January 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

Lighter engine? Ok troll, you got me.

wish i was trolling but as someone that has been using hunchback's 99.99% for almost 2 years. i think i have down how to use an hunchback effectively.

but i am tempted to buy an cheesebolt an add to the cheese on pug drops. if you cant beat them join them right??????.......

Roland, on 02 January 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

The only reason you are surviving in those mechs is because the enemy is laughing so hard, and ignoring you in favor of bigger threats.

thats the point of putting an @@#$#ing big gun with an stnd 100 on a light.

[InspectorG]

Flaming oblivion, on 02 January 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Pros - The guys ho find something they like excel at it and stick with it as the metas switch - these are the true great players.

I see what you are getting at but the statement is a bit fallacious.

I dont think Lords could beat another top comp team running only all Flamer Locusts V's with Standard Heat Sinks...

[Water Bear]

I'm pretty sure that the DPS, even after accounting for heat, of a typical mad cat build exceeds that of a typical hunchback build. Oh, and it's got more armor.

Hunchback v Timber, no one will believe the Hunchie wins unless both players are incompetent.

[Davers]

Water Bear, on 02 January 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the DPS, even after accounting for heat, of a typical mad cat build exceeds that of a typical hunchback build. Oh, and it's got more armor.

Hunchback v Timber, no one will believe the Hunchie wins unless both players are incompetent.

Not to mention the over 30KPH + Range advantage...

[kf envy]

Davers, on 02 January 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:

Not to mention the over 30KPH + Range advantage...

thats why you dont take them on in the OPEN..... who in there right mind would take on a timber out in the OPEN with an medium mech?

must be the incompetent to take one on out in the open

Edited by kf envy, 02 January 2015 - 06:38 PM.

[William Petersen]

Kdogg788, on 02 January 2015 - 05:59 AM, said:

It's been an issue since the first iteration of this game

It's been an issue in any MechWarrior game ever. You wanna know why? Because they allow customization. If we had to use stock Mechs, suddenly the only boats are sauna mechs that make more heat than they can dissipate.

I know a lot of people are married to the ability to customize their mechs and feel like "it's not mechwarrior" without it, even though in canon the customization of anything but omnimechs takes months or years and millions upon millions of C-Bills (that don't just fall from the sky for skirmishing with another company of mechs). Hell, the simple feature of personally owning a BattleMech to customize is something restricted to the nobility, it's surely beyond the scope of the common MechWarrior.

[Davers]

kf envy, on 02 January 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

thats why you dont take them on in the OPEN..... who in there right mind would take on a timber out in the OPEN with an medium mech?

No offence man, but I can't take your claims seriously. All I can say is, upgrade your Hunchback that you school Timberwolves with and engage God Mode. I'll watch the video.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 02 January 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

I feel like my explanation of the 3 ERPPC is missed... that specific build is not good for brawling. The whole point is that you can stuff 4 mediums in it and splurge at close range (even probably chain firing ERPPCs) when you need them to smash the gens, Omega, and other mechs.

It's just that people are focusing too much on a pro-Sniper build and not other builds and alternatives that is oddly baffling based on the quirks that exist.

Comparing it to a Hellbringer... is strangely a weak argument. They should be able to compete with each other, but in some ways the edge can go to the Thunderbolt based on the quirks and usage/application. Then again... using ERPPCs on a Hellbringer is generally a big risk unless you can actually aim (the velocity is pretty bad w/o any quirks).

most of the time, they aren't using the 9S by the time they go for Omega or the Generators. Thats the MPL and LPL builds. But most matches with them, they have usually killed all the gates, and 1-2 generators, along with over half to 2/3 the defender before the final push.

Water Bear, on 02 January 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the DPS, even after accounting for heat, of a typical mad cat build exceeds that of a typical hunchback build. Oh, and it's got more armor.

Hunchback v Timber, no one will believe the Hunchie wins unless both players are incompetent.

eh, maxxed out and quirked, in a CQB brawl, the 4G can hold it's own against a Timby, but it's close. But it's all about focusing that damage. If you are a sloppy shot, it's over.

kf envy, on 02 January 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

wish i was trolling but as someone that has been using hunchback's 99.99% for almost 2 years. i think i have down how to use an hunchback effectively.

but i am tempted to buy an cheesebolt an add to the cheese on pug drops. if you cant beat them join them right??????.......




thats the point of putting an @@#$#ing big gun with an stnd 100 on a light.

and effectively is some strange allergy to DHS and Endo?

Even ignoring the speed issue, the really poor heat cap and worse, dissipation makes that a poor choice. As someone who has run HBKs since CB.

[Davegt27]

Let’s go down the list

Cried got LRMs' nerfed
Cried and got radar nerfed
Cried and got BAP nerfed
Cried ACs' got nerfed
Cried got zerg rush nerfed

Clan wins 90% of the CW matches but they come on and cry because they are not winning 100% of the time

Some CW matches the attacking IS team can’t get the gates open because all the long range clan weapon
Some CW matches the clan jump over the gate and kill all the IS mechs

I can go on and on

[Brody319]

InspectorG, on 02 January 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

Locust...













...V.

GO!

I got a 42 point alpha on the 1E

[Bishop Steiner]

Brody319, on 02 January 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

I got a 42 point alpha on the 1E

just something lacking about that build...can't quite put my finger on it......

[InspectorG]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:

just something lacking about that build...can't quite put my finger on it......

Hey, i would try it.
Until UI stops me.

[Brody319]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:

just something lacking about that build...can't quite put my finger on it......

Wait you wanted it to move?! well back to the drawing board.

[pwnface]

I guess people didn't realize the Inner Sphere has a heavy mech that is arguable better at sniping than the TDR-9S. Everyone sees the obvious build, the FoTM 3xERPPC, but there is a gem that has been completely missed by 95% of the IS playerbase. I'll continue to wreck with it in CW until people figure it (or not) and adopt the same build.

[Desolator]

Brody319, on 02 January 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

Wait you wanted it to move?! well back to the drawing board.

Here this one can actually be fielded.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a03dbe2ec9b96b4

[Brody319]

pwnface, on 02 January 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

I guess people didn't realize the Inner Sphere has a heavy mech that is arguable better at sniping than the TDR-9S. Everyone sees the obvious build, the FoTM 3xERPPC, but there is a gem that has been completely missed by 95% of the IS playerbase. I'll continue to wreck with it in CW until people figure it (or not) and adopt the same build.

People don't understand the power of the Quickdraw!

Also I got a 37.8 point alpha on a 1M locust, and yes it can be used.

Desolator, on 02 January 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Here this one can actually be fielded.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a03dbe2ec9b96b4

Ha, beat you. Also no endo or FF?

Edited by Brody319, 02 January 2015 - 07:07 PM.

[Michael Abt]

kf envy, on 02 January 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

thats why you dont take them on in the OPEN..... who in there right mind would take on a timber out in the OPEN with an medium mech?

must be the incompetent to take one on out in the open

I do.

[Ultimax]

Deathlike, on 02 January 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

I feel like my explanation of the 3 ERPPC is missed... that specific build is not good for brawling. The whole point is that you can stuff 4 mediums in it and splurge at close range (even probably chain firing ERPPCs) when you need them to smash the gens, Omega, and other mechs.

If you stuff 4 mediums into it (nothing wrong with it) it's no longer a sniper specialist and we are talking about a 20 point alpha at long range.

That's OK, but it's nothing to shake the heavens either.

At close range you generally want to be in a close range specialist.


I like the split build to an extent, but those MLAS force more face time than I want to be doing and has overall less sniping power.

Deathlike, on 02 January 2015 - 06:11 PM, said:

Comparing it to a Hellbringer... is strangely a weak argument. They should be able to compete with each other, but in some ways the edge can go to the Thunderbolt based on the quirks and usage/application. Then again... using ERPPCs on a Hellbringer is generally a big risk unless you can actually aim (the velocity is pretty bad w/o any quirks).

The Thunderbolt does have an edge, in pure ER PPC sniping. It's not that big of an edge, and the HBR has advantages in other areas (which is the point I've repeatedly made).

The 9S only has +15% velocity increase, which puts it at about 1200M per second vs. 1050M per second.

It's nice and it's useful, but it's really not that dramatic of a buff.



Is it not OK for a specialist mech to have an edge vs. a mech that has more options (ECM, better speed/agility, various back up weapon choices, higher dissipation)?

That would seem to be the entire point of being a specialist that is good in one area (long range) at the sacrifice of other aspects (speed, agility, vulnerable vs. bralwers).

[Ultimax]

pwnface, on 02 January 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

I guess people didn't realize the Inner Sphere has a heavy mech that is arguable better at sniping than the TDR-9S. Everyone sees the obvious build, the FoTM 3xERPPC, but there is a gem that has been completely missed by 95% of the IS playerbase. I'll continue to wreck with it in CW until people figure it (or not) and adopt the same build.

I have a few ideas (and one in particular) that I think you're talking about.

But I'm not talking about it at the moment, because of threads like this.