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[Khobai]

Regardless of whether its quirks are overpowered or not, Thunderbolts shouldnt be spamming PPCs anyway.

The Awesome has always been the de facto PPC spamming mech of the BT universe. If any mech should have insanely good PPC/ERPPC quirks it should be the Awesome.

Edited by Khobai, 04 January 2015 - 10:23 PM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:19 PM, said:

exactly, and I don't really care that it is XL friendly, or a perfect 1v1 machine. I think its good where it is. This is a team game, and once you add another mech to the equation the dragon starts to suffer. I'm not afraid of fighting 12 dragons in CW, because they have a longer TTK than the Thunderbolt.

I think the Thunderbolt just need to have its quirks lowered a bit. Like instead of 50% heat, it should be maybe 30-40% heat.

Ok if you only consider a 10% nerf and it will be ok, why all the QQ about that mech on forums then? 10% wont make a really good mech not a really good mech

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 10:22 PM.

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

Ok if you only consider a 10% nerf and it will be ok, why all the QQ about that mech on forums then?

Because 50% is TOO ******* much. Especially for a machine that has like 1 ERPPC stock! No weapon should EVER be half heat on ANY mech.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:22 PM, said:

Because 50% is TOO ******* much. Especially for a machine that has like 1 ERPPC stock! No weapon should EVER be half heat on ANY mech.

So with 40% it will be just 10% less toooo ******** much.

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 10:23 PM.

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

So with 40% it will be just 10% less toooo ******** much?

at 40% it wouldn't be spamming as much.
3 ERPPCs generate 63.9 heat units because of ghost heat.

50% means they only generate 31.95 heat.
40% means they generate 38.9 heat. Thats a pretty big difference. (some mechs don't overheat by a few units) this means less alphas.

But the other quirks will likely be touched, like the cooldown rate.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

at 40% it wouldn't be spamming as much.
3 ERPPCs generate 63.9 heat units because of ghost heat.

50% means they only generate 31.95 heat.
40% means they generate 38.9 heat. Thats a pretty big difference. (some mechs don't overheat by a few units) this means less alphas.

But the other quirks will likely be touched, like the cooldown rate.

What about the vindicator with even almost better ppc quirks? is that the next mech we will see QQ´s about?

I really dont fear a thunder pp more than a ppc gauss direwolf or a quad kingcrab or a 1n or a thunderwub or a proper srm timber or a freaking small pulse firestarter. Seriously i dont understand the exclusive QQ about that mech. (i dont own a thunderbold so i facem every day in every match) Just keep mooving , shooting at mooving targets with erppc isnt easy on range

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 10:30 PM.

[Serpieri]

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:

How about PGI tries to implement things in a not totally insane way.

Half heat? Goddamned ridiculous. You'd be insane to think that wouldn't be touched.


Of course, most people want to defend their easy mode. If it's 40%, I think most people would be appeased. If it's under30%, it would be too much of a nerf.

Anyone crying for more than that needs to take a long hard look at the stats.

PGI's heatsystem is rubbish/ghost heat etc... I find it funny that the quirks made the weapons usable but to limit that treatment to only a few mechs.....total bs.

[Shredhead]

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 10:00 PM, said:

Which explains why PGI is nerfing it?

Where do you have this from? They're not nerfing it.

Khobai, on 04 January 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

Regardless of whether its quirks are overpowered or not, Thunderbolts shouldnt be spamming PPCs anyway.

The Awesome has always been the de facto PPC spamming mech of the BT universe. If any mech should have insanely good PPC/ERPPC quirks it should be the Awesome.

That's your opinion. Ermahgerd there's an IS mech that can barely compete with clan mechs at range. PGI please nerf!

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

What about the vindicator with even almost better ppc quirks? is that the next mech we will see QQ´s about?

Vindicator doesn't have PPCs mounted on top of the mech, it cant peak barely over a ledge and launch a volley of PPCs in a second with no heat.

Also just want to remind everyone. THIS is the STOCK loadout for this mech, THIS is the lore loadout.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cb11c617a1e7e88

and it got almost EXCLUSIVELY PPC quirks over the Awesome (which pretty much runs nothing but PPCs on a few chassis) and the K2 (2 PPCs) this mech with a SINGLE ERPPC got better ppc quirks than the 2 other mechs infamous for PPC spam.

[Monkey Lover]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

Ok if you only consider a 10% nerf and it will be ok, why all the QQ about that mech on forums then? 10% wont make a really good mech not a really good mech

Only people seeing it as a great mech don't own it I see 10% being a deal breaker when I start looking at using one of my other 50 mechs. Its not like it is fun like a locust or something.


I think the main problem with the 9s is the same problem with lrms boats. The make a lot of noise when they hit and big flash. If they were like a dual gauss no one would complain.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 04 January 2015 - 10:33 PM.

[Wildstreak]

The Thunderblunder aka Thunderbolt-9S is broken, anyone with eyes can see it and it has nothing to do with Clan Mechs.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Wildstreak, on 04 January 2015 - 10:33 PM, said:

The Thunderblunder aka Thunderbolt-9S is broken, anyone with eyes can see it and it has nothing to do with Clan Mechs.

Other chassies and variants are as much broken as the ppc thunder. Why exclusevly talk about erppc thunder? just why?

[Khobai]

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That's your opinion.

Nope its not my opinion. Its canon that the Awesome is a PPC spamming mech. And its canon that the Thunderbolt is not a PPC spamming mech.

I dont care if the IS has a PPC spamming mech. However I dont think Thunderbolts should be better PPC spammers than Awesomes. If anything spams PPCs it should be Awesomes.

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Ermahgerd there's an IS mech that can barely compete with clan mechs at range. PGI please nerf!

Thats not even what I said. Your reading comprehension scores slightly below chimp level. Maybe you should go take some reading lessons from Koko the monkey.

Edited by Khobai, 04 January 2015 - 10:39 PM.

[Brody319]

Monkey Lover, on 04 January 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

Only people seeing it as a great mech don't own it I see 10% being a deal breaker when I start looking at using one of my other 50 mechs. Its not like it is fun like a locust or something.


I think the main problem with the 9s is the same problem with lrms boats. The make a lot of noise when they hit and big flash. If they were like a dual gauss no one would complain.

They nerfed triple gauss. I still Loath dual gauss and many people have complained. just so many chassis can mount it. Plus those are meant to be cold. In lore PPCs are ******* hot, and these quirks basically turn them into something else entirely.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

Vindicator doesn't have PPCs mounted on top of the mech, it cant peak barely over a ledge and launch a volley of PPCs in a second with no heat.

Also just want to remind everyone. THIS is the STOCK loadout for this mech, THIS is the lore loadout.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...cb11c617a1e7e88

and it got almost EXCLUSIVELY PPC quirks over the Awesome (which pretty much runs nothing but PPCs on a few chassis) and the K2 (2 PPCs) this mech with a SINGLE ERPPC got better ppc quirks than the 2 other mechs infamous for PPC spam.

See thats the randomnes in pgi´s quirks system. Perhaps the least used mech the trebuchet got minor quirks or the highlander 733 with 4 missile hardpoints got no missile quirks at all. Never understood what the criteria for their quirks is

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:35 PM, said:

See thats the randomnes in pgi´s quirks system. Perhaps the least used mech the trebuchet got minor quirks or the highlander 733 with 4 missile hardpoints got no missile quirks at all. Never understood what the criteria for their quirks is

They used the competitive's tier list to figure out a number of quirks ECM and JJs made any mech with them lose a set of quirks.

It wasn't so much random as pandery to the Hardcore of the Hardcore rather than the entire player base.

News flash, competitive players will use the most broken chassis they can, no exceptions, trying to balance the game for them, just leads to things like this, where one chassis makes every other chassis in the same weight class useless.

[Shredhead]

Khobai, on 04 January 2015 - 10:34 PM, said:

Nope its not my opinion. Its canonized fact that the Awesome is a PPC spamming mech.

Yeah, and it's totally your opinion that the T-Bolt should not have PPCs.

And whoever says it has no heat problems is seriously delusional or just a liar.

Edited by Shredhead, 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

They used the competitive's tier list to figure out a number of quirks ECM and JJs made any mech with them lose a set of quirks.

It wasn't so much random as pandery to the Hardcore of the Hardcore rather than the entire player base.

News flash, competitive players will use the most broken chassis they can, no exceptions, trying to balance the game for them, just leads to things like this, where one chassis makes every other chassis in the same weight class useless.

Trebuchet wasnt tier 5? WUT?

[Brody319]

Shredhead, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

Yeah, and it's totally your opinion that the T-Bolt should not have PPCs.

And whoever thinks it has no heat problems is seriously delusional or just a liar.

yes the mech who ususally runs 1 PPC with 50% Less heat, 50% faster cooldown, and a big velocity buff for the PPC is totally okay. I mean not like the K2 and the Awesome run more than 1 PPC stock...oh wait.

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

Trebuchet wasnt tier 5? WUT?

I said the same thing about the Victor.
but yea it was the only LRM boat they used I guess.

Edited by Brody319, 04 January 2015 - 10:40 PM.

[Shredhead]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:39 PM, said:

yes the mech who ususally runs 1 PPC with 50% Less heat, 50% faster cooldown, and a big velocity buff for the PPC is totally okay. I mean not like the K2 and the Awesome run more than 1 PPC stock...oh wait.


I said the same thing about the Victor.
but yea it was the only LRM boat they used I guess.

So we should bring these mechs up to that level, I agree.