729 replies to this topic

[Volkodav]

Aliance

[Lukoi Banacek]

xMEPHISTOx, on 15 February 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

1) why would be he speak w/a SA senior (sa > smoke adders?) he is not beholden to nor a member of SA, he is a member of JGx.
2) he is speaking here.

Meph, he was speaking of the Smoke Alliance, which JGx is a member of.

[Cimarb]

I am sorry Prussian, but your continued attempts to say that you being Rank 20 in the game means nothing as far as leadership. You are NOT the most senior anything as far as any of us are concerned.

You also insult our entire unit, and Clan, by making the statement that Mordin is our most senior member. He is a great guy, but he is not our most senior member.

You are a troll, even if a very ingratiating one. It has become very clear over the last few weeks, as you have tried everything you can to manipulate people in the name of unity, both in private messages and in these public ones.

[xMEPHISTOx]

Lukoi Banacek, on 15 February 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

Meph, he was speaking of the Smoke Alliance, which JGx is a member of.

Ahhhh, I see.
So then Pasha takes part in the council then<>?
sry, not up to date on the jgx or csj inner politics atm apparently, lol.

[Lukoi Banacek]

He is privy to what few discussions typically take place and occasionally posts.

I know he was in transit recently, so he's been having trouble keeping up, but as the discussion largely floats around the occasional..."do we shift here or fight there" stuff, it's not a lot to deal with.

There are other items of course, but the whole point of the website is to keep the discussions internal to CSJ faction members and not out for the occasional disruption by non-CSJ actors.

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 15 February 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

...(snip)...You are a troll, even if a very ingratiating one. It has become very clear over the last few weeks, as you have tried everything you can to manipulate people in the name of unity, both in private messages and in these public ones.

I understand your refusal to work for improved relations between CGB and CSJ... it is disappointing but understandable, as CGB CLEARLY benefits when -MS- orchestrates attacks across ALL CGB borders.

As to your new found propensity for name calling... lol, np call away. I'll stand by my threads and post, assessments and recommendations.

As to your effort to belittle achieving rank 19 by Mordin Ashe, surely he deserves better than that!

I suggest in the future if you must devolve to name-calling that you do so in PM, though if you feel you must do so in public surely you can be more entertaining than that...

[jeirhart]

Prussian Havoc, on 15 February 2015 - 06:49 PM, said:

I understand your refusal to work for improved relations between CGB and CSJ... it is disappointing but understandable, as CGB CLEARLY benefits when -MS- orchestrates attacks across ALL CGB borders.

As to your new found propensity for name calling... lol, np call away. I'll stand by my threads and post, assessments and recommendations.

As to your effort to belittle achieving rank 19 by Mordin Ashe, surely he deserves better than that!

I suggest in the future if you must devolve to name-calling that you do so in PM, though if you feel you must do so in public surely you can be more entertaining than that...

CGB does not benefit from the actions of -MS-, a fact they are acutely aware of and have been working with leaders from the other clans to mitigate the reprisals they incur. After -MS- left CGB for a week, CGB was left with vengeful neighbors and a fraction of their former playerbase. This left their clan extremely vulnerable when Clan Wolf had no choice but to run through their territory to reach the IS, reducing CGB's planet count significantly while disrupting CJF who placed no blame on Clan Wolf.

As far as trolling goes, you seem to speak as if you have some level of leadership or control over your unit or clan, when reports and feedback suggest you have neither. Instead you flaunt your level 20 loyalty with CSJ as if it entitles you to some level of responsibility or respect. It does not.

No one is befittingly the efforts put forth by Mordin Ashe. As stated, "He is a great guy, but he is not our most senior member." Level of loyalty gained by CW matches does not indicate seniority or leadership level. Many leaders do the majority of their work outside of the game proper, whether that be through diplomatic channels, strategy & tactics, training, or simply administrative work.

You have not be named a troll, you have been labelled one. I for one agree with this call. Entertain yourself somewhere else.

[Prussian Havoc]

jeirhart, on 15 February 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

CGB does not benefit from the actions of -MS-, a fact they are acutely aware of and have been working with leaders from the other clans to mitigate the reprisals they incur. After -MS- left CGB for a week, CGB was left with vengeful neighbors and a fraction of their former playerbase. This left their clan extremely vulnerable when Clan Wolf had no choice but to run through their territory to reach the IS, reducing CGB's planet count significantly while disrupting CJF who placed no blame on Clan Wolf.

As far as trolling goes, you seem to speak as if you have some level of leadership or control over your unit or clan, when reports and feedback suggest you have neither. Instead you flaunt your level 20 loyalty with CSJ as if it entitles you to some level of responsibility or respect. It does not.

No one is befittingly the efforts put forth by Mordin Ashe. As stated, &quot;He is a great guy, but he is not our most senior member.&quot; Level of loyalty gained by CW matches does not indicate seniority or leadership level. Many leaders do the majority of their work outside of the game proper, whether that be through diplomatic channels, strategy &amp; tactics, training, or simply administrative work.

You have not be named a troll, you have been labelled one. I for one agree with this call. Entertain yourself somewhere else.

CGB does indeed benefit when -MS- conquers worlds for CGB. This can not be contested, gaining planets is a benefit.

As a matter of fact both CGB and Clan Wolf find themselves in positions to be at attacking and taking the occasional CSJ world. But their are differences as to just why they are currently in this current contentious position.

Given the histories of both CW and CGB, I have chosen to NOT contest a single CW attack on a CSJ world as our Wolf Trothkin continue to correct the damage done to CW's Invasion Corridor - and I highly encourage others to do so as well.

However I routinely chose to contest CGB ATTACKS against CSJ worlds - and I highly encourage others to do so as well.

Sometimes Factions reap what they have sown and I judge Clan Wolf to be largely an aggrieved party while Clan Ghost Bear increasingly is now seen as a complicit in attacks by it recidivist Mercenaries.

On the separate matter of how I "speak" - I speak for myself and have never held myself up as a spokesman for my Unit nor the Smoke JAGUAR Aliiance. I have made this clear on multiple occasions. Additionally, I have NEVER held myself up as speaking for you or your Unit nor any other Jade Falcon.

As to your call that I "entertain myself somewhere else" - I intend to go on enjoying this game and these forums for quite some time to come, thank you very much.

One of the most enjoyable facets of this game for me is fleshing out just how I choose to game as a Faction Loyalist - holding one's self accountable for one's chosen Faction is a personal choice. Being a Loyalist is a personal choice. Some chose to be Loyalist while others chose not to follow a Loyalist path - neither is more right or wrong than the other.

#GamersWillGame as they choose to, and THAT is both right and proper. I do STRONGLY advocate of in-game accountability (http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4144456) as well as CLAN UNITY (http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4114431), both of which will see my continued support for quitter some time to come.

One of the most fascinating aspects of Community Warfare is how facets of it crossover into these forum threads and posts. Many of us chose to contribute our opinions on CW to this forum, IMO our debates, discussions and dialogues quite put the "Community" into MWO's CW.

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 16 February 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[jeirhart]

I... wow.. okay.

Those were words.

I could not construe any meaning behind them, but they were definitely words.

[Prussian Havoc]

jeirhart, on 15 February 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

...(snip)...

After reviewing my post this morning it could have been better written.

Adjustments have been made and my comments/meaning should now be quite clear.

If you have any questions feel free to bring them forward here or in PM.

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 16 February 2015 - 05:21 AM.

[Volkodav]

So much effort, it would be good to send the correct, the most important aspect - improving the CW /

[Cimarb]

jeirhart, on 15 February 2015 - 08:57 PM, said:

I... wow.. okay.

Those were words.

I could not construe any meaning behind them, but they were definitely words.

I just laughed at work and made everyone around me question my work ethic...thanks Jeirhart...

[ApolloKaras]

@PrussianHavoc

I'm looking at the map right now and the attack lanes are limited... What would you have CGB do?

[Deathlike]

Saxie, on 16 February 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

@PrussianHavoc

I'm looking at the map right now and the attack lanes are limited... What would you have CGB do?

I have 3 magically simple answers, ironically.

1) Help on defenses for OTHER Clan Factions. - For a while now, pretty much whatever Kurita superpower they have now are a significant influence. I pay enough attention to the defense contracts, so I see other sections are bleeding out.

2) Clear out the FRR "menace" ASAP. - Right now all the available resources are divided because the FRR still have enough of a presence to disrupt things. If we can just limit them to their capital, then there's less resources that have to be committed to other areas. Understandably, they do have just as much in reinforcements... but once their planets clear, everyone should be able to pitch in on the occasional defense vs FRR (whoever gets the luck of the draw is saddled with that responsibility).

3) A consequence of clearing out the FRR sections should allow for progress into Steiner or Kurita territory. - Doing all of #1 and #2 will get you the access routes and matches you'll ever need (well, #2 has a factor, but not doing #1 will demonstrate that you might not be able to handle it if you like your options open).

The matches are there... I believe the Clans are kinda struggling across the board at this point, so whatever power vacuum CGB used to have IMO is not there anymore.

It is what it is.

[Volkodav]

Saxie, on 16 February 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

@PrussianHavoc

I'm looking at the map right now and the attack lanes are limited... What would you have CGB do?

Kick PGI )

http://www.reddit.co...test_ceasefire/

also

[CGB Behemoth]

Deathlike, on 16 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

I have 3 magically simple answers, ironically.

1) Help on defenses for OTHER Clan Factions. - For a while now, pretty much whatever Kurita superpower they have now are a significant influence. I pay enough attention to the defense contracts, so I see other sections are bleeding out.

2) Clear out the FRR "menace" ASAP. - Right now all the available resources are divided because the FRR still have enough of a presence to disrupt things. If we can just limit them to their capital, then there's less resources that have to be committed to other areas. Understandably, they do have just as much in reinforcements... but once their planets clear, everyone should be able to pitch in on the occasional defense vs FRR (whoever gets the luck of the draw is saddled with that responsibility).

3) A consequence of clearing out the FRR sections should allow for progress into Steiner or Kurita territory. - Doing all of #1 and #2 will get you the access routes and matches you'll ever need (well, #2 has a factor, but not doing #1 will demonstrate that you might not be able to handle it if you like your options open).

The matches are there... I believe the Clans are kinda struggling across the board at this point, so whatever power vacuum CGB used to have IMO is not there anymore.

It is what it is.

1) We do.
2) We leave FRR corridor for CW, so they can attack sphere too.
3) Our goal for now - make corridor to Kurita & push at them.

[ApolloKaras]

Deathlike, on 16 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

I have 3 magically simple answers, ironically.

1) Help on defenses for OTHER Clan Factions. - For a while now, pretty much whatever Kurita superpower they have now are a significant influence. I pay enough attention to the defense contracts, so I see other sections are bleeding out.

2) Clear out the FRR "menace" ASAP. - Right now all the available resources are divided because the FRR still have enough of a presence to disrupt things. If we can just limit them to their capital, then there's less resources that have to be committed to other areas. Understandably, they do have just as much in reinforcements... but once their planets clear, everyone should be able to pitch in on the occasional defense vs FRR (whoever gets the luck of the draw is saddled with that responsibility).

3) A consequence of clearing out the FRR sections should allow for progress into Steiner or Kurita territory. - Doing all of #1 and #2 will get you the access routes and matches you'll ever need (well, #2 has a factor, but not doing #1 will demonstrate that you might not be able to handle it if you like your options open).

The matches are there... I believe the Clans are kinda struggling across the board at this point, so whatever power vacuum CGB used to have IMO is not there anymore.

It is what it is.

Not sure how you can clear anyone out without an attack lane. I think that CGB has done everything it could have looking at the map and the reports. They have taken an FRR planet at every opportunity. However I'm not going to estimate #MUSTNAMEONALLTHEPLANETS metagame. That might have something to do with it.

edit not sure why that quoted twice lol

Edited by Saxie, 16 February 2015 - 11:40 AM.

[Deathlike]

Saxie, on 16 February 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Not sure how you can clear anyone out without an attack lane. I think that CGB has done everything it could have looking at the map and the reports. They have taken an FRR planet at every opportunity. However I'm not going to estimate #MUSTNAMEONALLTHEPLANETS metagame. That might have something to do with it.

Well, I think PGI is screwing you mostly on the Kurita front (it's not hard to make the space, but yet it's still not there).

I'm not concerned about the "flag on planet metagame"... it's just an artifact of success.

It just seems like more could be done, but it isn't (not sure if it is a CW issue with population, but it is a factor).

Behemothk, on 16 February 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

1) We do.
2) We leave FRR corridor for CW, so they can attack sphere too.
3) Our goal for now - make corridor to Kurita & push at them.

I haven't seen a significant enough presence to believe that the defenses on other planets are influenced enough (although, I think the IS has a concentrated plan made - or that the FRR+Kurita "defense" combo is a lot more than expected). It doesn't feel like it and I do keep track somewhat on that matter.

[ApolloKaras]

Deathlike, on 16 February 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Well, I think PGI is screwing you mostly on the Kurita front (it's not hard to make the space, but yet it's still not there).

I'm not concerned about the "flag on planet metagame"... it's just an artifact of success.

It just seems like more could be done, but it isn't (not sure if it is a CW issue with population, but it is a factor).



I haven't seen a significant enough presence to believe that the defenses on other planets are influenced enough (although, I think the IS has a concentrated plan made - or that the FRR+Kurita "defense" combo is a lot more than expected). It doesn't feel like it and I do keep track somewhat on that matter.

Oh not me, I'm floating around

Yes the algorithm is... terrible.

[Cimarb]

Deathlike, on 16 February 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Well, I think PGI is screwing you mostly on the Kurita front (it's not hard to make the space, but yet it's still not there).

I'm not concerned about the &quot;flag on planet metagame&quot;... it's just an artifact of success.

It just seems like more could be done, but it isn't (not sure if it is a CW issue with population, but it is a factor).

I haven't seen a significant enough presence to believe that the defenses on other planets are influenced enough (although, I think the IS has a concentrated plan made - or that the FRR+Kurita &quot;defense&quot; combo is a lot more than expected). It doesn't feel like it and I do keep track somewhat on that matter.

CGB does have a population issue, since a good 80% of our population ebbs and flows with the whims of MS' contracts. We are way over populated some weeks, which is where the "boredom" issue comes in with Wolf and Jaguar, and then we are way underpopulated other weeks, which is when we get ate up by the Wolves and Jaguars that are pissed off about the previous week...

Being a loyalist CGB unit, it is very difficult for us. We have to temper our own people to not get cocky on the overpopulated weeks, and then temper them again as we are being hacked up by the other Clans the underpopulated weeks. It sucks, tbh.