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[Tuann]

Sorrowcry, on 13 March 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

Maybe you look on first point of history?
And as I say playing rushgen not true and not skilled. And you refuse my trial. Sad.

yes

point 1 : CSJ
point 2: KURITA
point 3: GB

planet won by GB in combat against IS

CSJ assaulted GB and not the other way around, quiaff ?

and yes, we will defend next vs IS drops anywhere else.

Edited by Tuann, 13 March 2015 - 12:53 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Tuann, on 13 March 2015 - 11:52 AM, said:

Brothers of CSJ,

today we have no attack lanes in IS.
As it was said many times over by CSJ, GB was kindly invited to take back planets that were lost due to merc assaults on GB territory.

We are therefor dropping on one of the planets that has a long GB history and was recently taken by VRGD. This is NOT an all out attack on CSJ and we will keep priority on IS planets.

regards

no one speaks for CSJ that offered that. You are confusing the thoughts and discussions of individuals with offers from units to overlook CGB attacks.

Everytime a planet has changed hands between CSJ and GB "without incident" it has been because units talked to each other to ensure the why's of it and to gain consensus (minus a fait accompli offered by MS one night, many moons ago).

Smoke Alliance units as a whole have not agreed to GB being allowed to take a planet from us and from what I gather, will not in the future.

I don't know who speaks for CGBI, whether it's Cimarb via private channels, Tuann here on these forums, Coffinail, sansDaedelus etc...but getting on the same page would help relations. Taking Babuyan certainly doesn't seem to bring you any closer to Kurita and all it does do is further derail relations with CSJ units who actively attempt to maintain good relations with the Bear units.

[Tuann]

Lukoi Banacek, on 13 March 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

no one speaks for CSJ that offered that. You are confusing the thoughts and discussions of individuals with offers from units to overlook CGB attacks.

Everytime a planet has changed hands between CSJ and GB "without incident" it has been because units talked to each other to ensure the why's of it and to gain consensus (minus a fait accompli offered by MS one night, many moons ago).

Smoke Alliance units as a whole have not agreed to GB being allowed to take a planet from us and from what I gather, will not in the future.

I don't know who speaks for CGBI, whether it's Cimarb via private channels, Tuann here on these forums, Coffinail, sansDaedelus etc...but getting on the same page would help relations. Taking Babuyan certainly doesn't seem to bring you any closer to Kurita and all it does do is further derail relations with CSJ units who actively attempt to maintain good relations with the Bear units.

i respect your words Lukoi,
i kindly would like to point you to the history of the planet, seeing it being taken from us,... while we assault none in CSJ.

we want 1 thing, focus on IS.

so, why did your units took it from us?

and then, when the logarithm bugs us, we take it back,... are we to blame or VRGD ?

Edited by Tuann, 13 March 2015 - 01:01 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

We can debate the singular histories of various planets and point fingers all day.

This is a new day, long after the days of most if not all of these "disconnected" efforts of the past.

You merely poke open old wounds over a planet of no consequence. It is not worthy of your Clan and merely sows discord between our factions. Continue to prod over petty agendas and things will only get worse.

[Wing 0]

it goes by number ordered list early lowest to latest top. Look very carefully based on TIME LINE ORDERED LIST. MONTH-DAY-YEAR.
Latest
1. 2-21-3050 Retaken by CSJ VRGD

1. 2-18-3050 taken by GB -MS-

1. 2-17-3050 taken by GB -MS-

1. 1-29-3050 defended first <--- by kruita -NS-
2. 1.29-3050 it was later taken by CSJ 362 <---

Take that into thought. This is how their system goes by. if you still have not figured it out by reading this carefully, don't expect us to help GB in your planetary defense.

[ST0RM3R]

Wing 0, on 13 March 2015 - 01:07 PM, said:

it goes by number ordered list early lowest to latest top. Look very carefully based on TIME LINE ORDERED LIST. MONTH-DAY-YEAR.
Latest
1. 1-29-3050 defended first <--- by kruita -NS-
2. 1.29-3050 it was later taken by CSJ 362 <---

Take that into thought. This is how their system goes by. if you still have not figured it out by reading this carefully, don't expect us to help GB in your planetary defense.

Thx for this. Let see what he said. Because my words earlier do not make any effect.

Edited by Sorrowcry, 13 March 2015 - 01:12 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

p.s. for someone concerned with the drive to Terra, your attacks into our backfield merely distract our limited numbers for fights against IS units....curbing the overall Clan efforts. Consider this as well.

[Tuann]

Gents,
Focus is Terra, let's race there.

but to give you an example, Najah,..
History : CSJ,CSJ,CSJ, RCGB, CSJ
CGBI would never assault to retake Najah, as RCGB had no business on this planet in the first place.

If the history is not linear, then we made a mistake.

Edited by Tuann, 13 March 2015 - 01:28 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Then desist from future attacks into CSJ. There is no need for it.

[Wing 0]

CJF needed help since they are dealing with a large groups atm. You could've helped them or CLAN WOLF.

[ST0RM3R]

Before you leave this topic answer for your words and your mistake (if it really so).

[Tuann]

Lukoi Banacek, on 13 March 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

Then desist from future attacks into CSJ. There is no need for it.

agreed.

Sorrowcry, on 13 March 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

Before you leave this topic answer for your words and your mistake (if it really so).

Like said in above post,.; we merely followed the planet history and for once, decided to retake a planet which was ours.
if , as you explained, planet history as in the UI is not linear, then we made a mistake. this i acknowledge.

it is also with this intention i posted on this thread while we were dropping. If we were of mal intent, no post would have been made.

[All Systems Nominal]

What gets to me, as a member of a unit dedicated to the cause of the Greater Smoke Alliance, is that while we divert forces to protect CGB planets you feel the need to drop against turrets to "take back what was yours" when plenty of CJF and CW planets wouldve appreciated your defense efforts.

I feel the GSA greatly benefits CGB while allowing them to pick and choose when to honor our agreement.

[Tuann]

Prussian Havoc, on 26 February 2015 - 05:02 PM, said:

When there is a single Inner Sphere attack option, it has been proven RIGHT and PROPER that Clan Mercenary Corps Units should look to "dual", "practice" and run "training exercises" against fellow Mercenary Corps Units (and any loyalists who which to join) on neighboring Clan worlds. In the normal course of events it is common practice for these worlds to change hands one, two or three times over the course of a month.

It is NOT a declaration of War, nor should it be looked on as such for Mercenary Corps Units to first liberate all available Inner Sphere Worlds, and then move along smartly to offer combat at all available Clan Worlds.

The road to Terra is long and hard.

Much practice and many training exercises are required to ensure optimal readiness of forces for both the upcoming Battle of Tukayyid as well as the eventual Battle of Terra.


COME JOIN US ON THE MARCH TO TERRA,,, take all Inner Sphere Worlds and then offer combat at available Clan Worlds.

the worls was taken by VRGD (mercs), recently
nobody blinks an eye,..
.
CGB has zero attack lanes and hits this very same planet and suddenly everybody goes ballistic,...

i will quote wise words : this is NOT a declaration of war, nor should it be looked up as such

this is a one off, IS is our sole focus

[Prussian Havoc]

Tuann, on 13 March 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

Prussian Havoc, on 26 February 2015 - 05:02 PM, said:

When there is a single Inner Sphere attack option, it has been proven RIGHT and PROPER that Clan Mercenary Corps Units should look to &quot;dual&quot;, &quot;practice&quot; and run &quot;training exercises&quot; against fellow Mercenary Corps Units (and any loyalists who which to join) on neighboring Clan worlds. In the normal course of events it is common practice for these worlds to change hands one, two or three times over the course of a month.

It is NOT a declaration of War, nor should it be looked on as such for Mercenary Corps Units to first liberate all available Inner Sphere Worlds, and then move along smartly to offer combat at all available Clan Worlds.

The road to Terra is long and hard.

Much practice and many training exercises are required to ensure optimal readiness of forces for both the upcoming Battle of Tukayyid as well as the eventual Battle of Terra.


COME JOIN US ON THE MARCH TO TERRA,,, take all Inner Sphere Worlds and then offer combat at available Clan Worlds.

the worls was taken by VRGD (mercs), recently
nobody blinks an eye,..
.
CGB has zero attack lanes and hits this very same planet and suddenly everybody goes ballistic,...

i will quote wise words : this is NOT a declaration of war, nor should it be looked up as such

this is a one off, IS is our sole focus

Excellent points Trothkin Tuann.

Please understand that while I am the highest ranking Smoke Jaguar, LB and select others disagree vehemently with me on the direction the -SA- has taken... to the point that behind my back, my fellow CSJ Leaders voted me off the Smoke-JAGUAR-Alliance "island," in quite a #SurvivorMoment.

I would have Gamers CONTINUALLY find Loyalty-Point-producing OPPORTUNITIES at every turn... while others choose to take offense every time an inconsequential inter-Clan border world has a Clan "Training Exercise" run on it.

LET's GET REAL MY FELLOW CSJ TROTHKIN - CSJ "pride" it appears will ALWAYS be wounded as a result of BETA's start and early NEAR-elimination by CGB of ANY CSJ world beyond Richmond.

The amount of rancor and forum-posturing Good Truann's posts here in my MWO-forum OP has caused on the -SA-internal-forums/MWO-forum is PROOF-POSITIVE that CSJ retains an unfortunate tendency to "Dwell in the PAST on perceived slights" rather than "Focus on FUTURE Clan Readiness."

The CURRENT seesaw battle with House Kurita (where CSJ gains in one Cycle are seen lost almost immediately in a subsequent Cycle) has just about "run out the clock" on the 100+million C-bill Contract I paid to Mangobogadog and their Antares Scorpions for what turned out to be a 28-day contract. With my JGx' AGGREGATE hiatus from CW (though individually notable JGx'ers still CW, no world has been tagged JGx in longer than I can remember) once AS moves on (IF AS decides to move on) CSJ will have that many fewer "gamer-hours" in the fight towards Terra...



...can we REALLY afford to antagonize Cimarb, Truann and other of our CGB Trothkin over an inconsequential to the Race-Toward-Terra inter-Clan Border world like Burayan?


I say CSJ needs to join CGB in flooding Paul (PGI's man on the spot for manually fixing the Pathing Algorithm) Twitter Account (https://twitter.com/...969987623403520) with requests when ANY Clan is OVERLOOKED by the algorithm and leave this petty forum-bickering over inconsequential worlds to the internal -SA- forums where they belong.





...and of course, all the above is my opinion, and no doubt an opinion shared by a fair segment of the CSJ silent majority.

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 14 March 2015 - 08:00 AM.

[Cimarb]

Actually, MS has been giving updates to Paul every window with missing lanes, and Paul has been fixing them quite quickly most windows.

I really wish you would stop with all the inflammatory posts trying to make yourself seem like the ilKhan. You have tons of time to play the game - great for you - but leaders are chosen for their ability to lead, not for grinding cbills and bribing other units. Anyone that thinks your in-game rank means anything has no idea what a real leader is.

If you could stop doing that, I could then go back to supporting the points of your argument that I DO agree with (which is actually most of your points in that above thread, btw - we agree on a lot, but your constant political maneuvering prevents me from focusing on that)

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 14 March 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Actually, MS has been giving updates to Paul every window with missing lanes, and Paul has been fixing them quite quickly most windows.

I really wish you would stop with all the inflammatory posts trying to make yourself seem like the ilKhan. You have tons of time to play the game - great for you - but leaders are chosen for their ability to lead, not for grinding cbills and bribing other units. Anyone that thinks your in-game rank means anything has no idea what a real leader is.

If you could stop doing that, I could then go back to supporting the points of your argument that I DO agree with (which is actually most of your points in that above thread, btw - we agree on a lot, but your constant political maneuvering prevents me from focusing on that)

Being possessed of zero #Pride and willing to discount my MWO-related contributions [posts, tweets, threads, OPORDS (http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4253284), FRAGOS, and Battle Assessments] as well as my #RealLife career as an Army Officer, as NEVER having afforded me... (how did you put it? Oh, yes) "no idea what a real leader is."

So yes, let me put aside my inflammatory posts and joy of contributing to all manner of forums, in the vain hopes you'll support my points of value once again...



..."nameless-gamer - setting new standards of self-conceit."

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 14 March 2015 - 09:02 AM.

[Cimarb]

Prussian Havoc, on 14 March 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

Being possessed of zero #Pride and willing to discount my MWO-related contributions [posts, tweets, threads, OPORDS (http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__4253284), FRAGOS, and Battle Assessments] as well as my #RealLife career as an Army Officer, as NEVER having afforded me... (how did you put it? Oh, yes) "no idea what a real leader is."

So yes, let me put aside my inflammatory posts and joy of contributing to all manner of forums, in the vain hopes you'll support my points of value once again...

..."nameless-gamer - setting new standards of self-conceit."

Wow, you are so delusional that you do not even understand how ironic your posts are...

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 14 March 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

Wow, you are so delusional that you do not even understand how ironic your posts are...

"Delusional?"

I would thank you for no longer derailing this thread, though of course you are free to do so.

[pbiggz]

Prussian Havoc, on 14 March 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

"Delusional?"

I would thank you for no longer derailing this thread, though of course you are free to do so.

Your CSJ rank in game is meaningless. You got some cockpit items and free mech bays and a big badge that says you have lots of free time, thats all it means. Thats not inflammatory, its the truth. Every time you flash your CSJ rank 20 in peoples' faces, they pretty much stop listening to you. Spend less time here writing essays you wont get marks for, and more time in game, trust me, you wont regret it.

ps: im not trying to piss you off by saying this, i think you're taking the RP thing a little too seriously.