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[Kain Demos]

19 pages later.....

Anyone asking for a nerf, I have just one response "L2P".

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Kain Thul, on 24 January 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

19 pages later.....

Anyone asking for a nerf, I have just one response "L2P".

And that is why you get no respect and everyone ignores you.

[waterfowl]

How about instead of nerfing a mech that's in a good spot they buff the mechs that aren't?

[Kjudoon]

waterfowl, on 24 January 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

How about instead of nerfing a mech that's in a good spot they buff the mechs that aren't?

Ever hear of the concept of "inflation"?

It's not just for money anymore.

[Adiuvo]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 24 January 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

And that is why you get no respect and everyone ignores you.

Unfortunately, that is what most of it comes down to.

Well, L2Aim if you wanna be specific I suppose.

[ShinVector]

DrxAbstract, on 24 January 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

Shin... your Spider teammate clearly collided with you while trying to join in. It wasnt lag or hit reg. PGI's collision coding... Yes. Nothing more.

*Think you guys may have missed the point.

Well... If hit lasers hsr was any good.. I would have legged him way before that.
You should be aware I play I high ping. Until you play at more than 233ms+ all the time....
Do understand that lag is a problem for me... All the time...

Point is the 'OP FS' can still be taken down.
PGI netcode and collisions cause weird things to happen in the game.

[Ultimax]

ShinVector, on 24 January 2015 - 06:02 PM, said:

*Think you guys may have missed the point.

Well... If hit lasers hsr was any good.. I would have legged him way before that.

Listen, I'm not saying it's easy to run at top speed and hit a light mech also running at top speed while the two of you zig zag around, and trying to get a full burn using lasers - it isn't.

I watched the video twice, and an awful lot of your laser burn is hitting the floor or just missing.

A lot of damage was lost that way.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 24 January 2015 - 06:24 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Adiuvo, on 24 January 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

Unfortunately, that is what most of it comes down to.

Well, L2Aim if you wanna be specific I suppose.

Learn to aim? really? Many players can't afford the triple 32 inch monitors that make so many 'elite' player's aim possible.

Yes, most aiming is monitor quality based.

[Adiuvo]

Kjudoon, on 24 January 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Learn to aim? really? Many players can't afford the triple 32 inch monitors that make so many 'elite' player's aim possible.

Yes, most aiming is monitor quality based.

Er, no.

The only competitive player I know that plays MWO with a triple monitor setup is Hairpiece. Everyone else uses 1 monitor, typically in to 20" to 25" range. Like normal people.

Unless you're using a TV as your monitor quality hardly matters... everything has too low of a refresh rate to make it much of an issue.

The difference between elite players and the rest of the game's population has nothing to do with equipment. Wispsy played on a potato. Atkinson currently plays on a potato.

[dario03]

Kjudoon, on 24 January 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Learn to aim? really? Many players can't afford the triple 32 inch monitors that make so many 'elite' player's aim possible.

Yes, most aiming is monitor quality based.

We've been over this before. Your pc equipment after a certain point doesn't have much to do with the game. Yes if you are playing on a computer that doesn't even meet the min requirements and can only run 5fps and its on a 14" TV from 1989 then you will have issues. But if you play on a computer that pulls something like 40fps on low settings on a 22" monitor then going to something like 120fps max settings on 3x32" monitor isn't going to make much of a difference.
And honestly where do you even get this? I'm with Adi here, the majority of people I have ever asked say they play on 20-27" monitors so not 32" let alone three 32" monitors.
Who are these people with 3x32" monitors?

Edited by dario03, 24 January 2015 - 07:14 PM.

[InspectorG]

Adiuvo, on 24 January 2015 - 06:48 PM, said:

Wispsy played on a potato. Atkinson currently plays on a potato.

Huh?

[InspectorG]

Well, i got the FS Mastery pack today cuz i guess im going Meta **ore.

Unbasic'd these things handle like runny diarrhea.

And...gasp! I even lost some limbs and died quite a few times. I had an easier time leeting my X-5.

[FupDup]

InspectorG, on 24 January 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Well, i got the FS Mastery pack today cuz i guess im going Meta **ore.

Unbasic'd these things handle like runny diarrhea.

And...gasp! I even lost some limbs and died quite a few times. I had an easier time leeting my X-5.

The way most stories about mechs seem to work is that when the enemy uses it, they deal terrible terrible damage and can tank damage like the Hulk. But when an outside observer tries to use that mech, they receive a "defective" version that does only normal damage and also gets hurt and dies like normal. Perspective is a funny thing.

[Adiuvo]

InspectorG, on 24 January 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Huh?

Really really bad computers. Wispsy specifically was on a 9800 for the entire time he played MWO.

[InspectorG]

FupDup, on 24 January 2015 - 07:27 PM, said:

The way most stories about mechs seem to work is that when the enemy uses it, they deal terrible terrible damage and can tank damage like the Hulk. But when an outside observer tries to use that mech, they receive a "defective" version that does only normal damage and also gets hurt and dies like normal. Perspective is a funny thing.

Well, PGI can give me a refund!!!

How dare these defective FSs tarnish my 1.01 KDR!!!

Adiuvo, on 24 January 2015 - 07:39 PM, said:

Really really bad computers. Wispsy specifically was on a 9800 for the entire time he played MWO.

Damn, thats giving me hope.

I get @20fps on low settings !

[Yokaiko]

Kjudoon, on 24 January 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

Learn to aim? really? Many players can't afford the triple 32 inch monitors that make so many 'elite' player's aim possible.

Yes, most aiming is monitor quality based.

Hardly

[ShinVector]

Ultimatum X, on 24 January 2015 - 06:23 PM, said:

Listen, I'm not saying it's easy to run at top speed and hit a light mech also running at top speed while the two of you zig zag around, and trying to get a full burn using lasers - it isn't.

I watched the video twice, and an awful lot of your laser burn is hitting the floor or just missing.

A lot of damage was lost that way.

*Another one fails to get it.

It is called leading with lasers. It is something high players have to uniquely do to get better damage on lasers.
I would love to aim at the legs exactly but chances are it is going to be a complete miss damage wise.

Here is an another example in SLOW MO.


*Shoot outer left shoulder to get good hit on right torso.

Of couse it is alot harder with the FS zig-zagging around.

Point is lights may seem 'OP' in this but a majority of the problem is due to poor hit detection/hit registration.

[Ultimax]

ShinVector, on 24 January 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

*Another one fails to get it.

It is called leading with lasers. It is something high players have to uniquely do to get better damage on lasers.
I would love to aim at the legs exactly but chances are it is going to be a complete miss damage wise.

I know what leading the target is.

A lot of your damage did not hit legs, it was all over the place. You can see it make contact with the floor, repeatedly.

[ShinVector]

Ultimatum X, on 24 January 2015 - 08:53 PM, said:

I know what leading the target is.

A lot of your damage did not hit legs, it was all over the place. You can see it make contact with the floor, repeatedly.

*Again. I would love to aim for the leg exactly but it is pointless until hit reg for lasers is fixed.
Light mechs will be toast when that happens.
PGI Neema promised to fix HSR for laser this year. We will see.

[Krivvan]

ShinVector, on 24 January 2015 - 08:42 PM, said:

*Another one fails to get it.

It is called leading with lasers. It is something high players have to uniquely do to get better damage on lasers.
I would love to aim at the legs exactly but chances are it is going to be a complete miss damage wise.

Here is an another example in SLOW MO.

Shin, your lasers are going all over the place. If you are more still with lasers you can keep it on legs without that much difficulty. If that is standard laser shooting for you then it isn't HSR's fault.

Edited by Krivvan, 24 January 2015 - 09:18 PM.