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#1 ibex230

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 11:58 PM

Got mine yesterday, what to do with this mech? Assymetric hardpoints indicate a right turned peek-a-boo with Gauss.

#2 Xetelian

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:06 AM

I already had a 340XL in my garage so I threw it up with 2UAC 5s and 2 ERLL I double tap melt peoples faces before I see a yellow shoulder.

Otherwise a ~270 STD.

#3 Flaming oblivion

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.

#4 ibex230

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:15 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.


I wanna keep it (as a trophy), money isn't an issue so I'm not that hard pressed for extra mechbays.

View PostXetelian, on 25 January 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

I already had a 340XL in my garage so I threw it up with 2UAC 5s and 2 ERLL I double tap melt peoples faces before I see a yellow shoulder.

Otherwise a ~270 STD.


Went with a 300xl, gonna see how it will handle the heat! 2x AC10 + 2x LL

#5 luigi256

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:18 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.


Why would you sell the champion mech and then buy the same mech when you can just buy the XL 280 engine and rebuild it for less?

#6 ibex230

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:21 AM

View Postluigi256, on 25 January 2015 - 12:18 AM, said:


Why would you sell the champion mech and then buy the same mech when you can just buy the XL 280 engine and rebuild it for less?


I think he meant that I should go with the non-champion to get the quirks.

#7 Mudhutwarrior

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:22 AM

Depends on your build really. Xls can work well if done right.

#8 luigi256

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:25 AM

View Postibex230, on 25 January 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:


I think he meant that I should go with the non-champion to get the quirks.


Champion mechs get quirks. It's just that the Cataphract 3D is the only IS mech without quirks.

So if you sell the champion and buy the regular Cataphract 3D again don't expect it to have quirks.

Edited by luigi256, 25 January 2015 - 12:26 AM.


#9 El Bandito

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:26 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.


View Postibex230, on 25 January 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:


I think he meant that I should go with the non-champion to get the quirks.


The 3D does not have any quirks.

*edit* Ninjaed. :P

Edited by El Bandito, 25 January 2015 - 12:27 AM.


#10 DjPush

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:26 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.


The 3D didn't get any quirks..

#11 ibex230

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:31 AM

Wut no quirks????

So that puts it in God tier???

#12 luigi256

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:36 AM

Oh to get back on topic. My build is XL280, two AC10's, 2 or 3 jump jets (I can't remember) and 2 or 4 med lasers (again can't remember).

My alt build for this is a std 320 (I think) with an AC20 and 4 med lasers and 2 or 4 jumpjets.

It works ok for brawling situations

View Postibex230, on 25 January 2015 - 12:31 AM, said:

Wut no quirks????

So that puts it in God tier???


It was considered one of the best mechs a long time ago. PGI decided not to quirk it for some reason. Makes no sense to me since it is not that good now that other mechs have come along and jump sniping is pretty much dead.

#13 DjPush

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:37 AM

The Phract is the OG Timber Wolf. It can hold it's own still. My best build:

RA: PPC + UAC5
RT: ML + UAC5
LT: ML
LA: ML
CT: XL300
LL: 2 tons UAC5 ammo
RL: 2 tons UAC5 ammo
Head: 1 ton UAC5 ammo

The rest : Armor and heat sink as you see fit.

Modules: UAC5 Cooldown + ML range

Edited by DjPush, 25 January 2015 - 12:37 AM.


#14 Davers

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:42 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Sell the champ

take the mech bay , Buy the regular 3d if you really want a phract

Quirks

Nuff said.

Ummm...No. That would be stupid. The 3D(C) gives bonus XP- that translates into bonus GXP as well. Why would you sell a mech that gives bonuses so you could purchase a mech with no bonuses, that is identical in every other way? Hell, the Champion doesn't even have an expensive engine to make the sale worthwhile.

#15 Flaming oblivion

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:47 AM

My bad sell the champion buy any phract with quirks .

Why handicap yourself

IS were given quirks because they were not competing with clans .

Un quirked IS mech?

I'm not feeling it.

@davers XP boost isn't worth much on a handicapped IS mech no quirks.

I'm not saying its completely worthless or unplayable but taking that into battle your making things harder on yourself.

Edited by Flaming oblivion, 25 January 2015 - 12:49 AM.


#16 Mudhutwarrior

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:50 AM

I am keeping mine. It's not a 4x but it plays and pays. I am still hashing out the build I have. I run twenty or so matches to get a feel before making changes unless its really obvious it wont work.

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 12:52 AM

View PostFlaming oblivion, on 25 January 2015 - 12:47 AM, said:

My bad sell the champion buy any phract with quirks .

Why handicap yourself

IS were given quirks because they were not competing with clans .

Un quirked IS mech?

I'm not feeling it.

@davers XP boost isn't worth much on a handicapped IS mech no quirks.

I'm not saying its completely worthless or unplayable but taking that into battle your making things harder on yourself.

Sorry, maybe you misquoted yourself. You said "sell the champion 3d, and then buy a regular 3d if you want a phract".

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 05:30 AM

I liked the Phracts when I first started playing,but now I find them mediocre.Clan mechs have made them obsolete.
The knuckle dragging arms,wide torso's don't help it and putting in an xl in my experience is bad for it.
Awesome dakka tho in the right circumstances.Ilya was my first mastered mech :).

#19 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 25 January 2015 - 05:44 AM

View Postibex230, on 24 January 2015 - 11:58 PM, said:

Got mine yesterday, what to do with this mech? Assymetric hardpoints indicate a right turned peek-a-boo with Gauss.

XLs make a Mech a bit of a glass hammer. you can save weight for more weapons but lose that side torso... So How good are you with XLs in your Mechs is the deciding factor I would think.





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