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[Atlasian]

Brody319, on 26 January 2015 - 09:57 PM, said:

which is why if they just use the Reseen designs, and rename them, then HG probably won't even bother.

Like I've mentioned, people can just initiate a lawsuit even against the Reseen despite they don't look like the Macross designs. Yes, PGI may win probably, but it still cost time and money. That's the catch.

Edited by Atlasian, 26 January 2015 - 10:15 PM.

[Jonny Slam]

Metus regem, on 26 January 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

Jonny, all we the fans know, is that FASA and Harmony Gold came to a settlement and an agreement, that we are not privy too. I would imagine that WizKids/Catalyst Labs/FanPro/Microsoft and possibly PGI are privy too.

But facts are that Harmony Gold got the international rights to them from a company that never held them in the first place, as was determined by the Japanese courts.

NOTHING IS PREVENTING PGI FROM USING THE MARAUDER OR ANY OTHER MECH DESIGN. IF PGI WANTS TO USE THEM THERE IS A WELL ESTABLISHED, REPEATEDLY USED, CURRENTLY VIABLE OPTION FOR PGI TO SECURE THE RIGHTS AND USE THEM. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE 2008, ALL STAKE-OWNERS IN BATTLETECH AND THE ATTENDING ANCILLARY MATERIALS ARE WILLING AND EAGER TO REALIZE REVENUE FROM THE ASSORTED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES.


With this additional note that has been touched on by some, "it's about money" Yeah? that's right and because it is "about money" Harmony Gold and all the other stake-holders are eager, I repeat eager to get the intellectual properties in front of eyeballs and making money. H.G. and the other stake-holders know that PGI is a vehicle for revenue, they are not resistant to that in any way. The early drama PGI got hit with was a response (understanable) to PGI and assorted parties rolling out the content of that initial trailer and press kits, without first going through the simple, straightforward, established path to consent of use, for whatever reason they choose to proceed that way. That incident did not moot or preclude any future consent of use, in fact as is abundantly clear H.G. and the other stake-holders in the intellectual properties are eager to have them in use creating revenue, as opposed to sitting on them as so many ill-informed wing-nut conspiracy fans constantly bleat.

Edited by Jonny Slam, 26 January 2015 - 11:34 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jonny Slam, on 26 January 2015 - 11:24 PM, said:

NOTHING IS PREVENTING PGI FROM USING THE MARAUDER OR ANY OTHER MECH DESIGN. IF PGI WANTS TO USE THEM THERE IS A WELL ESTABLISHED, REPEATEDLY USED, CURRENTLY VIABLE OPTION FOR PGI TO SECURE THE RIGHTS AND USE THEM. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE 2008, ALL STAKE-OWNERS IN BATTLETECH AND THE ATTENDING ANCILLARY MATERIALS ARE WILLING AND EAGER TO REALIZE REVENUE FROM THE ASSORTED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES.

still waiting for you to show us that well established, repeatedly used, currently viable option.

[Jonny Slam]

The best part about knowing the facts and not having the compulsion to constantly nurse a grudge/conspiracy fetish? I don't have to or feel compelled to fetch water.

With out even uploading any docs, or directing in comments from parties that have actually been involved with the issues for the past 3 decades. Or digging up and posting a pic of Babcock's legendary white board "event/date for all unseen flow chart" from his impromptu presentation back 2010 I will happily stand.

Seriously, I will happily stand. I will confidently stand by my statements secure in the knowledge that they are the world as it is not as some desperate wannabes fear it is, using nothing more then the uses of the mechs in previous instances of the past 28 years as empirical evidence, I will wait.

And even more happily wait for the ever bleating wing-nut crowd to come up with some actual evidence for their precious conspiracies. And as always, evidence is not the pasted entries from a community edited 'pedia' or fan built site that has built it own history to fit it's "HG is screwing us all, waaaaa" world view.

There is so much to love about geek culture, sadly the constantly repeated tales of conspiracies so player can feel like they understand all the dirt (imaginary dirt at that) is one of it's less attractive aspects.

Edited by Jonny Slam, 27 January 2015 - 12:50 AM.

[Jonny Slam]

Bishop Steiner, on 26 January 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

still waiting for you to show us that well established, repeatedly used, currently viable option.

Tell you what bishop, if PGI or some other parties actually working on a relevant projects want copies of the outlines, MOU's, and boilerplate that has been floating around among industry types, and they want all the attached names and contact details? Well, they can feel free to PM me, or email me as they have my addresses. But I think we both know that Russ and PGI, don't need to do that because they already have it all.

And while I would have been happy to extend that or any help to Russ and PGI, I am certainly not going to pass it on to any tom, ****, or harry that just wants to know.

Edited by Jonny Slam, 27 January 2015 - 01:01 AM.

[BumbleBee]

Soooo...
in other words, we just have to take your word for it...

[ClannerJake]

Jonny Slam, on 27 January 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

.....There is so much to love about geek culture....

geeks love Logic. logic is circular, and denies perception. its why people think they can joke and use sarcasm on forums. Epic Failures are only to those whom it is evident to the self only, to the active shooter its tragedy.

Bishop Steiner, on 26 January 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

still waiting for you to show us that well established, repeatedly used, currently viable option.

Bro, they pay licencing to all parties. maybe you haven't heard but some mechs are owned my 2 or 3 co-copyrights. MWO and the likes in the news before where in trouble cause they paid one, but mistakenly not the other. in america some companies own distro in america rights, and you have to pay them, then the japanese, and maybe an artist.. and all is good. now relax, all is as it is intended.

[Milocinia]

LordKnightFandragon, on 26 January 2015 - 08:01 PM, said:

UI looks great. When's it coming out?

Jonny Slam, on 26 January 2015 - 11:24 PM, said:

Derp

All you're doing is creating false hope for those who don't know any better. Unseens will NEVER be in this game. Reseens are highly unlikely. If you're so sure about your little fantasy, it's not hard to contact Russ and co. so just go and do it instead of embarrassing yourself on here.

[Thunder Child]

I suppose you realise that the reason the Warhammer never made it into the game after that MW5 Trailer, is because HG threatened to Sue? I'm sure you've heard about that. After all, Russ pointed it out way back. He's also stated, more than once, that he would happily put the Marauder into the game if A: They could get a design that the fans all agree on, and B: HG allows it. HG's official response? NOPE.

As to the "agreement", that is between Topps (who own Catalyst Labs, and the CBT franchise) and HG, and only applies to the Tabletop version of the game. No such agreement exists between Microsoft (who own the Digital Rights to the Mechwarrior Franchise) and HG.

The problem is that HG will not allow anything that bears any resemblance to any Macross Content, or anything that was based off of something that bears any resemblance to any Macross Content. And they have Deeper Pockets than PGI.

[Karl Streiger]

Hoh?
why this discussion about the unseens again?
The OP asked for "marauder" successors.

Well the Maelstrom would be nice - and the Dragonfire could only be made better - but there is nothing special about them.
the Dragonfire is a dual ballistic mech with energy backup - in the 75t bracket - (the advantage of the "high" arms of the JaegerMech + the low build of the catapult + 10tons.

The Maelstrom is pure energy and don't have sufficient armament - but its fast good answer to the vomit timber wolf.

But in general - IS need more mobile mechs in the heavy class - without hitboxes that kill your XL in a heartbeat

[ClannerJake]

Thunder Child, on 27 January 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

The problem is that HG will not allow anything that bears any resemblance to any Macross Content..

some decent deviant arters out der... id have it angled back more like the wing structured ones you see, but keep the hard cut lines and push the cockput glass down more and up more, and sink it in so you couldnt get glass shot spammed.. maybe it be too mara still thou.

[TELEFORCE]

While I'd love the see the Marauder in MWO, I doubt it's going to happen anything soon as long as HG is trigger-happy with the intellectual property legal system.

But I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Bander's monster, the Bandersnatch, in-game. Like the Grasshopper, I don't think it's ever made an appearance in any MechWarrior game.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Kyocera, on 27 January 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

UI looks great. When's it coming out?



All you're doing is creating false hope for those who don't know any better. Unseens will NEVER be in this game. Reseens are highly unlikely. If you're so sure about your little fantasy, it's not hard to contact Russ and co. so just go and do it instead of embarrassing yourself on here.

Im pretty sure you know that is the old UI. In ever did see it or use it, I kinda quit and gave up on the game after 30 games in beta.....how much better was it? I know the short time I saw it, it looked cluttered.

[HlynkaCG]

Jonny Slam, on 26 January 2015 - 11:24 PM, said:

Again with the WORDS...

Again with the



I'm still waiting.

[Atlasian]

Every time when I come across a King Crab's side view in a match, I always thought how very similar it look like a Marauder, if only the top cannon is added.

[LordKnightFandragon]

ClannerJake, on 27 January 2015 - 03:12 AM, said:

some decent deviant arters out der... id have it angled back more like the wing structured ones you see, but keep the hard cut lines and push the cockput glass down more and up more, and sink it in so you couldnt get glass shot spammed.. maybe it be too mara still thou.

that mech actually looks pretty bitchin cool imo. I like its slopey lines and pointy self...prolly why I liked the Mad Dog so much.....atleast its original looks.

Take that image there, replace both arms with PPCs, and slap a big cannon on the middle top and call it good.

[InRev]

Jonny Slam, on 26 January 2015 - 11:24 PM, said:

NOTHING IS PREVENTING PGI FROM USING THE MARAUDER OR ANY OTHER MECH DESIGN. IF PGI WANTS TO USE THEM THERE IS A WELL ESTABLISHED, REPEATEDLY USED, CURRENTLY VIABLE OPTION FOR PGI TO SECURE THE RIGHTS AND USE THEM. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE SINCE 2008, ALL STAKE-OWNERS IN BATTLETECH AND THE ATTENDING ANCILLARY MATERIALS ARE WILLING AND EAGER TO REALIZE REVENUE FROM THE ASSORTED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTIES.

Burden of proof. You make the statement. The statement is questioned. You must provide the proof.

Jonny Slam, on 27 January 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

The best part about knowing the facts and not having the compulsion to constantly nurse a grudge/conspiracy fetish? I don't have to or feel compelled to fetch water.

Bullsh!t. You made a statement in a public forum that flies in the face of conventional wisdom (ie: HG is sue happy and an expensive lawsuit, regardless of the result, is not worth the risk). In the process, you also included ad hominem digs against the people who disagree with you, all the while REFUSING to provide proof. The burden of proof falls precisely on YOU and YOU alone, especially after making inflammatory statements.

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Jonny Slam, on 27 January 2015 - 12:59 AM, said:

And while I would have been happy to extend that or any help to Russ and PGI, I am certainly not going to pass it on to any tom, ****, or harry that just wants to know.

Except YOU are the one who popped into this thread presenting an alternative to the accepted view of the situation. So you make an assertion and then refuse to back it up? Know what that sounds like? It sounds like you are 100% talking out of your ass, because if you really knew what you were talking about, you would save everyone, including yourself, the time by just giving us a Cliff Notes version of what is supposedly the truth. But no, you're being cryptic, something that accomplishes absolutely nothing except destroying your limited credibility.

And don't act as if you don't care if we think you're credible. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted in the first place. You posted because you wanted our attention, you wanted us to read your view, but now you're being coy.

TL;DR version: Cut the **** and either put up or shut up.

[Bishop Steiner]

Atlasian, on 27 January 2015 - 07:08 AM, said:

Every time when I come across a King Crab's side view in a match, I always thought how very similar it look like a Marauder, if only the top cannon is added.

watchu talkin' bout, willis?

[BourbonFaucet]

Whatzituyah, on 26 January 2015 - 06:58 PM, said:

The only issue is that people want the old design they just can't have! They are going to have to remake the whole thing to make it reseen basically but in the end it won't look like the old design.

Can we please have a community VOTE on this instead of the armchair warriors TELLING us this is how we feel? If we got a vote, I would vote for redesigns.

ClannerJake, on 27 January 2015 - 03:12 AM, said:

some decent deviant arters out der... id have it angled back more like the wing structured ones you see, but keep the hard cut lines and push the cockput glass down more and up more, and sink it in so you couldnt get glass shot spammed.. maybe it be too mara still thou.

Give me this, move the arms closer to the main body, sling a cannon over the right shoulder, and I'll accept it as a Marauder. Honestly, at this point, I want to see some kind of original design here anyways. Let's go for it.

[Metus regem]

Techorse, on 27 January 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

Can we please have a community VOTE on this instead of the armchair warriors TELLING us this is how we feel? If we got a vote, I would vote for redesigns.

Like I said, I would take the reseens over not having them, but please, could we use this:




Rather than this:


For the base art work for the Warhammer?