Apnu, on 30 January 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:
Yeah well this is a gamer problem in general. I've seen premades whine and moan as much as I've seen it in pub queue games. There's usually one guy moaning and they often have unit tags on. Its pathetic.
Case in point, last night. A player complains in chat "kill me now" He was in an Atlas and got pummeled hard by the enemy on Caustic. I'd already received my beating but was still alive. The HBK-4G just had his head ML left but I was still in the game trying to flank. The atlas ran into the same horrible death ball I did, even though I warned everybody about it. Oh well. Then he starts complaining how clueless the team is and losing was predestined. I try talking to him, and I get this lecture about how complaining does nothing to improve the game and I should look at my own mistakes. WTF? He's dead, I'm not. The game doesn't end in a stomp it was like 8-12, we still lost tho and I died.
this is a very present example of whats wrong with the current gamer generation. They should go bakc to old games where you didn't had continues, play 2 hours, fail anddo it ALL again before you get another try where YOU failed. not the game, not the others, just YOU.
but allt he mainstream games perfectly are designed to cater those ego's with constant non effort "youre awesome" success moments and thats why many people can not, or do not want to get into real challanges. They are not used to it, they are educated to "enjoy" those non effort successes. And then the hard online PvP world hits them. Dang, butthurt, because "I was always so successfull and awesome, It can not be me failing"
mania3c, on 31 January 2015 - 04:08 AM, said:
I really love when "hardcore" players are presenting themselves as thinking geniuses with using gifs and smart words while casuals are lesser creatures, yet, more I see from them..more I realize that hardcore players on this forum are living in their own fantasy universe, where things are supposed to somehow magically works in some very weird way..
Here is a thing.. casuals and pugs don't need to join units ..it's not casuals who need to do something..(also hardcore players can't do much too)..but hardcore players just need these casuals to be enjoying game in their way..because without casuals and pugs, there will be no game to play..no MWO..nothing..nadda..
MWO is using model, which desperately needs healthy playerbase to stay a float..VOIP will do exactly nothing, small scale scenarios will help a very little bit. and if all resources will be put into CW and CW wont keep casuals playing, MWO is just dead..servers may stay alive but very little additional content patches will be released till even hardcore players will be bored and will quit.
It doesn't mean that there is no place for hadcore groups..it is, and hardcore community is also very important for this kind of the game. However PGI has to find way, how to make better experience for casuals in CW. (again..VOIP will do exactly nothing)..and these stupid "recommendations"..join units, l2p or CW is hardcore mode only will slowly kill this game..
so solution: delete units, make the game pug only mode, done.
But the truth is, pugs can do things, but the majority doesn't wants. you can be part of a CW group, even with only a few hours time. yes tey may not beat the 12 man premades, but they may have a real battle instead of a roflstomp.
As long as some puggers don't wanna play a teamgame, and demand they want CW to be how they play you get two things:
they still complain, as they already do about MM just now including CW.
they still lose horribly by their way to play.
and then I really wonder: when puggers don't want to play a teamgame, why do they even play such a game? Because if you aren't an exceptional good player, you will not be able to succeed soloing in a team based game.
Many people think they are Messi's while in fact they aren't.
There are a ot of games out there that I like, but tha i do not play, because reahcign a specific amount of "success" requires an effort I can and want not put into them. But I do not go to their forums and qq about how they should cater my needs, because this would destroy what makes this game a good one. And thats the moment i wish it would be available as singleplayer, where I am not bound to servertimes and serverdynamics. But those games aren't and so I have to deal with the fact what they are. And sadly also that I may not be part of that game.
And this is what we have here in MWO too, people want to paly football in the major league but not train or join a team, hows that supposed to work? It's not working and you will never get the big trophy. And so you can join just an amateur league or fun leaguer, yet you still have to join a team. And the trophy is maybe not as big and valuable, if there even is one.
Why poeple expect online multiplayer PVP games havign to be different? I don't know, because they can not differ, they are competitive games and thats the way how competition works in out entire human Life.
Many casuals don't want to join a unit, thats true, because units often come with some responibilities, like being online regulary etc.
But as a Pug gamer not wanting to be roflstomped you can still seek out a unit that plays with randoms, there is nothing than their own decision preventing this from happening. And so they continue playing a game where they fail. But joning a temporary group will be like the amateur team, bit play for fun, less roflstomps but not the big trophy.
And people who just want to play a big robo stomping game without wanting tojoin anyone and such have a nice place in the solo queue.
I love my Nova, but its a not competitive chassis, and so I also need to decide what to do, bring it to CW with the risk of gimping myself, the team and the entire CW success for my faction, or accepting I should play solo or groupqueue with it.
CW needs casuals, but not puggers, and especially not the stubborn ones thatw ant to refuse using voip or joining groups. Trying to cater the CW for them is a nonworking concept. I have 2 people in my "unit" and they are online like 2x a month for only a short time, yet they are able to hop on teamspeak.
Edited by Lily from animove, 31 January 2015 - 06:18 AM.
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