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[hybrid black]

Jaroth Corbett, on 02 February 2015 - 11:02 PM, said:

They are children returning to the home of their parents. Essentially the guys who took over are squatters.

No one took over, they were there from the start

[Duvanor]

Jaroth Corbett, on 03 February 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Mercs who took a Bear contract. Get your facts straight please.

Yes. But all the talk about those Mercs and the CGB leaders being so happy about their cooperation and Mercs and Loyalists dropping together in TS, creating poems and what not raise the question if the CGB leaders had really no influence in all this.

[hybrid black]

Duvanor, on 03 February 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Yes. But all the talk about those Mercs and the CGB leaders being so happy about their cooperation and Mercs and Loyalists dropping together in TS, creating poems and what not raise the question if the CGB leaders had really no influence in all this.

sadly they asked us not to, but with them dropping with MercStar in our TS i have to ask,

why wouldn't they?

what point would it be for there players to drop in a small groups and wait for pugs to fill the ranks so they can play?

if we were wolf then wolf units would join us to play and learn, its that simple.

[Alecxei Malthus]

Gyrok, on 02 February 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

You are trolling me now, and if you are saying CWI acknowledged it...well, they do not know what happened and want peace at any cost. While the rest of Wolf is not so naive.

are you sideclocked? do you even have a memory of the entire little man syndrome? The comparison of you to Kim Jong-un? or the airlock? my god man have you no memory at all? i would say you a have a serious case of dementia or alzheimer's if you have forgotten how much we resent you. most of clan wolf at this moment seeing as how we cannot attack any other clan and must now attack the two clans you gave ultimatums to have decided to futz off, however i believe there is another solution, why doesn't clan wolf challenge this man to a trial of abjuration? if he wants to play rp, then why not fight him in his own arena using your own ability? surely he would not accept from anyone else save another galaxy commander, but why not open it to all of us? might be your chance to shut us all up?

that setles it, who wants to sign up for the tournament to decide who gets to fight pre-khan gimpy first?

[Carrion Hound]

*breaks out the beer and popcorn.* Why? Because.. this is so rediculous I can't look away. Almost better than TV.

[hybrid black]

Carrion Hound, on 03 February 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

*breaks out the beer and popcorn.* Why? Because.. this is so rediculous I can't look away. Almost better than TV.

Yah its amazing how everything on here turns in to bash gyrok, i don't even have to do it anymore....

wait i just figured something out.......................... I WAS THE FIRST TO SEE HIS BULL ****

[Dracol]

Alecxei, on 03 February 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

however i believe there is another solution, why doesn't clan wolf challenge this man to a trial of abjuration? if he wants to play rp, then why not fight him in his own arena using your own ability? surely he would not accept from anyone else save another galaxy commander, but why not open it to all of us? might be your chance to shut us all up?

Cause as much as he RPs a clanner, he insisted on using an IS mech for trials.....

Edited by Dracol, 03 February 2015 - 11:32 AM.

[Alexander Steel]

That makes me laugh. Also it's not just he wants to us an IS mech, he wants to use an IS mech that wasn't deployed until after 3025 by House Liao and Davion.

I mean if you want to use an IS mech as a clanner, at least pick a mech that is from the Star League, like the Orion ((Kerensky's personal mech)) or the like.

[TimeForgotten]

Dracol, on 03 February 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Cause as much as he RPs a clanner, he insisted on using an IS mech for trials.....

Hey a mech is a mech if you can whoop some one in it your good in my book

[Aresye]

CyclonerM, on 03 February 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

We had a ceafire with them for a week to focus on other more pressing matters i think. Events are happening so quickly i forget about them lol.

We had a 2 week ceasefire with Steiner as part of an agreement to allow Steiner to focus on CJF more (back when the Lords were taking a lot of Steiner worlds), but also as a sign of good faith to contract the Devil Dogs mercenary unit into Clan Wolf when their contract expired with Steiner.

[CyclonerM]

Aresye, on 03 February 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

We had a 2 week ceasefire with Steiner as part of an agreement to allow Steiner to focus on CJF more (back when the Lords were taking a lot of Steiner worlds), but also as a sign of good faith to contract the Devil Dogs mercenary unit into Clan Wolf when their contract expired with Steiner.

Oh, was it two weeks? You see, i already forgot

[Gyrok]

Alecxei, on 03 February 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

are you sideclocked? do you even have a memory of the entire little man syndrome? The comparison of you to Kim Jong-un? or the airlock? my god man have you no memory at all? i would say you a have a serious case of dementia or alzheimer's if you have forgotten how much we resent you. most of clan wolf at this moment seeing as how we cannot attack any other clan and must now attack the two clans you gave ultimatums to have decided to futz off, however i believe there is another solution, why doesn't clan wolf challenge this man to a trial of abjuration? if he wants to play rp, then why not fight him in his own arena using your own ability? surely he would not accept from anyone else save another galaxy commander, but why not open it to all of us? might be your chance to shut us all up?

that setles it, who wants to sign up for the tournament to decide who gets to fight pre-khan gimpy first?

What the hell are you on about?

I never gave CJF an ultimatum of any kind...?

Also, what I said was addressed to mercenaries, and needed to be said, because you are unaware of all the crap I have been through trying to negotiate a reasonable set of terms for us to end conflict, and I was rudely mocked, and outright trolled for it, there are witnesses even among the mercenaries...

Alecxei...end the shame you bring to clan wolf acting as a rabid mongrel instead of an honorable warrior. Does your Khan in CWI know what you are posting??

Edited by Gyrok, 03 February 2015 - 01:15 PM.

[operatorZ]

TEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 02:37 AM, said:

It seems to me that you are taking everything or most of what I am trying to convey in the wrong light.

Me finding another Clan. not in chance.

Insulting other groups. There was no insult in anything I said and none intended except toward my own Clan. MS gets no apology because I do not believe I cast one at them nor intended to, sorry thou if you believe so. The only insult real or other wise is to my Clan because many in Wolf need to grow a pair (even if they are a female warrior).

I have no loyalties to anyone (especially for someone that does something that can cause such discord in such a great product) or anything in this game except my Clan and if as a whole Wolf excepts what is happening so will I.

My point of ignorance on the starting point of everything has nothing to do with my knowledge of what is happening now and MS may have been fully justified in their actions. I accept that.

Finding a unit is the plan but unfortunately job, location and other facts of life don't support that right now. That may be changing soon.

Try reading my post with a neutral eye then you may see that there was no insult toward you intended. If you saw it that way I am sorry.

Hello...meet Noesis...he loves not making sense

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

Really? You think people who actually do well in war in RL actually "fully" like what they do?

However, there are no psycopaths in the MWO Merc community that I'm aware of, just people who want to do well like yourself. If you are going to whine over people doing better than you in a "competative" war simulation that you then think it is bullying, then I think you need to re-appraise your involvement with the game. At least take a step back and re-consider your position with things here as something suggests an unhealthy relationship to a "computer game".

If it makes you feel any better and helps you get a better grasp on the reality of what is going on here: no mothers will cry over the loss of loved ones due to the outcome of battles in MWO. Seriously, those letters don't get posted during ceasefire.

I found one...just read his posts

hybrid black, on 03 February 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Yah its amazing how everything on here turns in to bash gyrok, i don't even have to do it anymore....

wait i just figured something out.......................... I WAS THE FIRST TO SEE HIS BULL ****

Yup I remember when you "saw his bullsh*t" err....when you came into the wolf forum trolling your little heart out and trying to be all tuff and getreckd....it was cute but had nothing to do with anybody or any situation but your ego

[Czarr]

This thread still going, so MS offers a truce and wants to bury the hatchet but wolf and bear are still fighting, you guys are just making your clans look bad. Stop QQing , give it a break

[CyclonerM]

Noesis, on 03 February 2015 - 07:13 AM, said:

Look back and you will find that the behaviour of the Dark Born has been to defend various interests based on what has been said by Clan Wolf. This is different from a position of aggression.



Neg, since you send mixed messages that are not consistant. One hand you say you don't repect certain players, the next minute you are seen supporting their concerns. This is the sychophants approach to things or that you think you can gain favour with the click of a button.

If not as you say then you largley then have mixed and perhaps confused views as to what to stand for.


You responding to both MS and CI about the value of diplomacy:



I will therefore leave you to your choice of causing trouble for your own faction as a whole. As is your choice to make at the end of the day. And I cannot deny you that choice it seems despite your own advice?

Supporting their concerns? Maybe i have given a wrong impression. I do see the value of diplomacy, but sadly, others do not. I fear the time of diplomacy is over. It is useful to avoid waste of time and resources, especially since figthing a Trial for a planet is less than practical.. But i see that now is the time to use some force, since many have seen Clan Wolf as weak because we were focused on our true goal instead of trying to sabotage the other Clans.

And if my opinions might seem a bit ambiguous, it is also because of the less-than-clear attitude of the loyal CGB units toward the merc pirates.. (you cannot deny they fit perfectly with the pirates, raiding planets without intention to conquer them, just to make money).

And about it..

hybrid black, on 03 February 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

sadly they asked us not to, but with them dropping with MercStar in our TS i have to ask,

why wouldn't they?

what point would it be for there players to drop in a small groups and wait for pugs to fill the ranks so they can play?

I will tell you why maybe they would not. There are so many threads that i cannot find it anymore, but i am sure there was at least one old post by Jaroth Corbett (speaking for CGBI) saying that they would have not supported the first raids my MS and CI, back when we still had the ceasefire that was violated by the mercs.

Now we do not have it anymore, but there are still some reasonable voices among both Clans that remind us of how wasteful is infighting during op. Revival (again, i look forward to Warden vs Crusader conflicts )..

Yet, i heard someone in my unit saying that there were CGBI warriors among pugs or mercs, attacking our planets in our right flank.. And now you confirm you drop togheter.

So, what should i think now?

Czarr, on 03 February 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

This thread still going, so MS offers a truce and wants to bury the hatchet but wolf and bear are still fighting, you guys are just making your clans look bad. Stop QQing , give it a break

They chose to ignore diplomacy back then. And now they want a break? Did they give us a break when everyone was against us? Neg. I actually believe we will not attack CGB planets anymore at this time though. Indeed, the Wolves rejoice: we finally have a Steiner planet we can attack!

Edited by CyclonerM, 03 February 2015 - 02:58 PM.

[Xiphias]

Gyrok,

It is convenient how you can claim that having TS logs would vindicate you when no one can disprove your point. Granted, I wasn't there so I can't weigh in on what happened, you could be completely correct and I won't claim to know.

What I do know is that you did start a thread threatening the mercs for attacking a Wolf planet. Among other things you did post something to the extent of "see you on the battlefield" or "prove it on the battlefield".

For my part I'd gotten pretty sick of reading about you claiming that Wolf was superior to -MS- and all the excuses that you've made for why it doesn't count when we've beaten Wolf. I was also tired of numerous claims about -MS- back stabbing and being dishonorable. To be clear, despite what some might have people believe, -MS- has never broken any of the agreements we made. We honor our contracts and agreements.

In the mentioned thread I commented to the extent of "Wolf's bark is worse than its bite and that they should prove it on the battlefield." (paraphrasing). I wasn't insulting, but I did call Wolf out. Sadly, since you deleted that thread I can't source anything so everyone will have to take my word for it. (Similar to TS logs if you delete a thread no one can disprove your claims about it).

I don't like to weight into an argument without having facts to back up my point. Wild claims are easy to find in these forums. I won't weigh in on the overall drama at the moment, but I will address some specific claims that you made.

Gyrok, on 01 February 2015 - 07:29 PM, said:

Please point out where they said what the issue was...

Also, I never insulted them. Go back, re-read my posts...I never went ArrPee and insulted anyone.

I have been tactful and brutally honest...

The only disgrace here is the fact that units keep trying to place blame at my feet for their own actions. I have never done anything to invite attacks, and frankly, I have never said anything to incite this attitude.

Jaroth, if you saw what was written in that thread, then you saw 9 pages of bear pictures, and 3-4 relevant posts. One of which was mine where I cited the conversation and what was said, and the circumstances. THAT is what happened. I truly wish I had a PM log for TS.

Hmm, some bold claims. You NEVER, insulted anyone? Let's look and the evidence in exhibit one. These are some screen caps of the chat from a match you had with -MS- that night some time after that thread was started.



There may be some text that isn't included above, but nothing that I have purposely omitted. I simply don't have screen caps of all the in game text. I think this clearly contains some comments that are understood to be insults to any rational person.

Second, I believe my point in that thread was proven on the battlefield. We beat CWDG decisively twice that night. Words are cheap, I prefer action.

Finally, in the second match you managed to kill me twice, congratulations. You then felt inclined to call me out in game due to the fact that you killed me. I found that quite petty. I never challenged your skill as a player, I challenged your claims as a group and I proved my point. If you had an issue with me personally, perhaps you could have done the honorable clan thing and challenged me to a duel, something that would actually show true pilot skill. Bragging in chat that you landed the kill shot on me twice is childish and not very clan like.

tl;dr

1) Gyrok has insulted people and also lied in claiming he has done nothing to upset people.
2) Gyrok's claims have been refuted on the battlefield. CWI ends up having to bear the brunt.
3) Gyrok is petty and holds personal grudges.

Gyrok, if there is anything above that you would like to refute, please provide the evidence and action to back it up. If I am incorrect in anything I am happy to correct it. Otherwise, please don't waste my time with claims you cannot back up. For my part I've been nothing but civil and honest in this discussion, that's more than I can say for you.

[Gyrok]

1.) You conveniently did not screen cap the flying insults that spurred those remarks, there were an hour of fights, and the screen never stopped flashing red text from my side...

2.) CWI only helped with CGB when there was literally nothing to attack but CJF or CGB. This evening, before you cut us off again, they were stuck on running up a steiner planet that CWDG pushed to 86% before coming out to see 60+/36 in the queue and realizing there was no way the world would be lost.

3.) I do not hold personal grudges. YOUR unit began calling out how often they had killed me all evening...with UBC and several others announcing in the global chat every time I fell. If you think my response to you was petty, what do you think your entire group was to me? Are you going to try to hand wave justify it because...reasons? What do you think that made you look like to the entire group of players facing you? You think they look at you all as professionals? Upstanding guys, with class? Not one of them think anything positive of your unit after those fights. As a matter of fact, considering what some of them said, I was quite polite in translation.

Additionally, you have no idea how YOUR unit leader, Antonius Rex, has trolled me continually when I have tried to seek cessation of hostilities. I was asking your group, the ones who wrote the ceasefire to begin with, to honor their own words. Your unit leader then tried to deny that it ever happened, and then when reminded of the post, remarked..."Oh, well that ended long ago...as soon as we got bored". When I tried to discuss reasonable options, he gave me troll demands about letting them take 20 worlds from Wolf or whatever it took to allow them to pass through to CJF. This went on since 4 days after the ceasefire was declared in week 1 of the beta (6 weeks!!!!).

If you had nothing to do with the rest of your members conduct, then I salute you for being an actual human being.

However, to be associated with people who would openly insult other to incite the sorts of remarks you posted above, then come in here posting one side of a conversation and playing innocent is beneath anyone with a conscious. That might be *YOUR* side of it...however, I wish I had screen caps of all the mad trash talking from your side. Blatantly and openly insulting.

I suggest you find a new group of friends if you do not want to be associated with those sorts of people. Because frankly, the reputation that MS is wracking up in CW among other places is the following:

1.) They abide by agreements until inconvenient.

2.) They distort things to manipulate public opinion and try to seem like the good guys.

3.) You cannot trust them beyond the time frame their short term memory lasts.

As much respect as I had for Antonius Rex before all this started when I knew him from some interactions in MCW, I would have thought that a unit run by him would never stoop to such levels of hatred and insults in matches as what we saw. After all this, I honestly have zero respect for anyone wearing those tags. You are now guilty by association. Sorry...thank your comrades.

[Knightcrawler]

I'm just going to ignore the last series of posts.

My prediction is a continued battle until we can push on IS again. Hopefully we get a wormhole like JF and SJ got, but I doubt it. I wish we would, since PGI's algorithms are what made us fall behind and get cut off. But again, I doubt it.

Ghost Bear attacked their Steiner planet. You cannot blame them for attacking their target. Even if they hadn't taken it, it wouldn't have mattered. Just the fact that Cusset was a *target* for Ghost Bear cut us off. Why? Because two factions cannot share the same attack point. Cusset would have remained their target until either they lost ground, or took it and then lost it again. Whether Ghost Bear took the planet or not was irrelevant.

Edited by Knightcrawler, 03 February 2015 - 11:14 PM.

[Mordin Ashe]

This drama still on? Yay...

Knightcrawler, one little thing you should understand. We can't cut you off. You are not anywhere near it. You are far to the north. That is like saying you are cutting me off my herritage I should get after my great-great-great uncle in New Zeland. Not like I have any family on New Zeland nor I inherited anything, but damn you for cutting me off from it!

[jeirhart]

Mordin Ashe, on 03 February 2015 - 11:35 PM, said:

This drama still on? Yay...

Knightcrawler, one little thing you should understand. We can't cut you off. You are not anywhere near it. You are far to the north. That is like saying you are cutting me off my herritage I should get after my great-great-great uncle in New Zeland. Not like I have any family on New Zeland nor I inherited anything, but damn you for cutting me off from it!

I really think you should re-read what Nightcrawler wrote. You might have missed what he was saying.