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[Gyrok]

Necromantion, on 04 February 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

Who went rogue on their allies? Do we really have to rehash the whole Gyrok provoking CGB after HE dropped on a CGB planet that he claimed to have permission to do even though in his own words he asked CGB AFTER he had already dropped on it?

Lets really not rehash this ok? Because from Gyroks own fingers he typed that and I believe there are still screenshots of that saved so PLEASE nobody went rogue on allies and even -MS- has been for pushing towards IS only and for maintaining relations between clans when we are CGB however other individuals from other clans from what I heard of last weeks meetings were apparently still open to sorting things out on the battlefield.

I was sitting in the lobby about to drop on the planet (for the first time) when I finally got a hold of sans.

Let us also not forget, had there been an issue, it would have been but 1 drop out of 8 required to take the planet...are you really going to try to paint that as a "hasty act of defiance turning on an ally"?

The issue was not that I was in a lobby waiting to drop on the planet when I got permission.

Let us paint the real picture, shall we?

1.) CGB forces, whether mercenaries, or house units, have attacked wolf each week since the beta started.

2.) During this time, a farcical ceasefire was supposedly in place to protect this from happening.

3.) During said time, multiple persons, myself included, reached out to you to honor your agreement over the course of 6 weeks.

4.) We were trolled hard by your unit about trying to resolve it diplomatically and we were offered absurd terms that MS would never agree toward if the tables were turned.

5.) You then use a misconstrued incident to incite a powder keg atmosphere aimed at the person who was the source of your angst over having lost a planet that was clearly an algorithm screw up to begin with. Especially knowing he cleared it first.


That is the chain of events...

No amount of deflecting can change the fact that YOU have been the aggressor against us all along, and now hide behind deflected excuses about why you would continually and habitually violate your own ceasefire.

So, here is the big question...WHY?

Edited by Gyrok, 04 February 2015 - 03:23 PM.

[Devil Fox]

Gyrok, on 04 February 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

5.) You then use a misconstrued incident to incite a powder keg atmosphere aimed at the person who was the source of your angst over having lost a planet that was clearly an algorithm screw up to begin with. Especially knowing he cleared it first.

This is a false statement... you deleted the thread in which evidence from the personal involved on both the Bear and Wolf side showed that you did not in fact clear it with the leadership, that your actions were condemned, and that your posturing was incorrect.

You deleted that thread within 5hr's of it's creation simply because it provided evidence and opinions that were contrary to the story you were spinning. I think it's about time you got added to my block list, your long tirades across the entire forums of every clan really do little to improve your reputation, or your ego. Nothing seems to be coming out that's worth the read, and I will leave it to actual leadership of Clan Wolf to speak on their behalf.

[Dawnstealer]

Davers, on 02 February 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

If everyone could click on whatever world they wanted on their border, then the biggest factions would be taking 30 worlds a day from smaller factions.

So they'd be in the same boat Steiner is now, being chopped up on...what, with Ghost Bear's wormhole, five fronts? Maybe seven considering the latest moves by pugs from Davion and if Wolf gets an angle with the algorithm?

Get Mercs. Profit.

The small population Houses seem to be doing just fine right now.

[Necromantion]

Can someone please pull up some of the screenshots of that thread? I know someone has pages saved that were cached in google search history.. anyways here goes...

Gyrok, on 04 February 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

I was sitting in the lobby about to drop on the planet (for the first time) when I finally got a hold of sans.

Let us also not forget, had there been an issue, it would have been but 1 drop out of 8 required to take the planet...are you really going to try to paint that as a "hasty act of defiance turning on an ally"?

The issue was not that I was in a lobby waiting to drop on the planet when I got permission.

Let us paint the real picture, shall we?

1.) CGB forces, whether mercenaries, or house units, have attacked wolf each week since the beta started.

2.) During this time, a farcical ceasefire was supposedly in place to protect this from happening.

3.) During said time, multiple persons, myself included, reached out to you to honor your agreement over the course of 6 weeks.

4.) We were trolled hard by your unit about trying to resolve it diplomatically and we were offered absurd terms that MS would never agree toward if the tables were turned.

5.) You then use a misconstrued incident to incite a powder keg atmosphere aimed at the person who was the source of your angst over having lost a planet that was clearly an algorithm screw up to begin with. Especially knowing he cleared it first.


That is the chain of events...

No amount of deflecting can change the fact that YOU have been the aggressor against us all along, and now hide behind deflected excuses about why you would continually and habitually violate your own ceasefire.

So, here is the big question...WHY?

Sans even posted on the previous thread that he NEVER said OK to your request.

Now regarding your "points"

1) Cool glad we got that out of the way so lets use your statement here as proof that -MS- did not initiate hostilities between CW and CGB considering that -MS- from what I recall was not CGB for the first 1-2 weeks of community warfare

2) Cool beans

3) I was not part of -MS- at the time but I have heard rehashed versions of your "reaching out" to various individuals in the CGB and Merc units and have heard everything from whining to RP theme threats...

4) You constantly ran your mouth in RP twisted shenanigans on the forums which culminated in you posting a thread two weeks ago which pissed off enough people to paint you and your unit and sadly thus your faction as a target for many players on and off the forums and when cornered about it your antics became so exaggerated and delusional that even players of other factions unrelated to the conflict couldn't help making fun of you.

5) No no I have not as many people who saw that other thread and have witnessed your actions on the forums and in game can attest to. EVEN people in your own faction who have pointed out the same things as I just did.

WHY?

Because you ran your stupid mouth for too long at too many people.

END OF STORY

Apostal Sinclair, on 04 February 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

This is a false statement... you deleted the thread in which evidence from the personal involved on both the Bear and Wolf side showed that you did not in fact clear it with the leadership, that your actions were condemned, and that your posturing was incorrect.

You deleted that thread within 5hr's of it's creation simply because it provided evidence and opinions that were contrary to the story you were spinning. I think it's about time you got added to my block list, your long tirades across the entire forums of every clan really do little to improve your reputation, or your ego. Nothing seems to be coming out that's worth the read, and I will leave it to actual leadership of Clan Wolf to speak on their behalf.

This. QFT.

Edited by Necromantion, 04 February 2015 - 03:44 PM.

[jeirhart]

CyclonerM, on 04 February 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

Good guess Kain..

Now i wonder: what would the Falcons do and say if MS joins them and starts attacking us? Would they support them?

Falcons* have no interest in beginning a conflict with the Wolves or any other Clans. Any action taken by MS or CI while 'working' for Jade Falcon against another Clan will be of their own volition and not supported by Falcons*. They would be on their own.

We* will , however, respond to any attacks on our planets -previously owned- by Jade Falcon that were not stolen from the Wolves by the aforementioned mercenary units. Whether the algorithm cooperates will decide how well this would work out.


*I speak on behalf of Jade Falcon Prime and can not/do not control the actions of other Jade Falcon warriors. However, based on our discussions and past interactions, this is the expected outcome.

[Davers]

You Steiners seem to have put up a real brave fight against the Clans. <S> Hopefully you catch some breaks in the future.

Dawnstealer, on 04 February 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

So they'd be in the same boat Steiner is now, being chopped up on...what, with Ghost Bear's wormhole, five fronts? Maybe seven considering the latest moves by pugs from Davion and if Wolf gets an angle with the algorithm?

Get Mercs. Profit.

The small population Houses seem to be doing just fine right now.

[Alexander Steel]

Kain Thul, on 04 February 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

Look at all the people cross-posting in each other's forums, making little pretend internet posters/images, taking screen shots, talking ****, etc.

I call that trolling. If someone else calls it something else that is up to them.

Sounds like... *Puts on Sunglasses* Community Warfare. YEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Edited by Alexander Steel, 04 February 2015 - 04:07 PM.

[Aresye]

CyclonerM, on 04 February 2015 - 03:02 PM, said:

If you are talking about New Caledonia, this all actually started much earlier, around the start of CW...
We shall try to not bring it up again, but just remember that we have not been the ones starting the hostilities.

If anything, the hostilities began with CWM taking Ferris, and they acted completely independently of CGB as a whole, including mercs.

Then, back when Lords were CJF, a big argument on the forums started between members of Lords and MS. MS didn't attack us for a full 2 weeks while they proposed a plan to open a lane to CJF in order to fight the Lords, and they didn't attack us until near the second half of that 2nd week.

Then MS/CI went Steiner, the Lords split, and pretty much every comp team went to either Steiner or FRR, with a few going Kurita, in order to fight the Clans.

After we got pushed back, MS/CI returned to CGB and continued to try and open a lane to CJF and Steiner.

At one point New Cadedonia was captured by CGB and for the 1-2 days CGB held it, attacks by CGB mercs pretty much stopped.

When New Caledonia became an attack for Wolf instead of a defend, CWDG took it from CGB, along with the very good position CGB had there and its proximity to Steiner and CJF. CGB (including the loyalist units) get mega pissed off and launch an all out war on Wolf.



That about sums it up. Nobody is innocent in any of this. Preliminary negotiations by CI/MS were met with stubborn and sometimes hostile remarks, or downright ignored (I'll admit even I was one that was skeptical and just ignored it). Wolf units had continued to poke CGB worlds throughout the entire duration of this, adding to further tensions that eventually led to war.

And that is basically the Wolf/Bear conflict in a nutshell.

[Kain Demos]

Aresye, on 04 February 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

Wolf units had continued to poke CGB worlds throughout the entire duration of this, adding to further tensions that eventually led to war.

Which Wolf units and Ghost Bear worlds were these if I may ask?

I do not recall any "poking" except dropping on former Wolf worlds to reclaim them until the most recent Gustrell incident that led to open war.

Edited by Kain Thul, 04 February 2015 - 04:20 PM.

[TheDeckardCain]

Necromantion, on 04 February 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

WHY?

Because you ran your stupid mouth for too long at too many people.

END OF STORY



This. QFT.

lol This totally supports your argument!

[Gyrok]

Apostal Sinclair, on 04 February 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

This is a false statement... you deleted the thread in which evidence from the personal involved on both the Bear and Wolf side showed that you did not in fact clear it with the leadership, that your actions were condemned, and that your posturing was incorrect.

You deleted that thread within 5hr's of it's creation simply because it provided evidence and opinions that were contrary to the story you were spinning. I think it's about time you got added to my block list, your long tirades across the entire forums of every clan really do little to improve your reputation, or your ego. Nothing seems to be coming out that's worth the read, and I will leave it to actual leadership of Clan Wolf to speak on their behalf.

I am a part of the group of leaders of Clan Wolf...

Also, his story was complete BS. The conversation he described never took place...I never received any such message. If I had TS logs right now, you would be asking for a recipe for crow.

[Alexander Steel]

Wolf vs Bear... Now Bear vs Falcon! It's like a Pokémon battle royal.

"Jade Falcon I choose you!"

[Gyrok]

Aresye, on 04 February 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

If anything, the hostilities began with CWM taking Ferris, and they acted completely independently of CGB as a whole, including mercs.

Then, back when Lords were CJF, a big argument on the forums started between members of Lords and MS. MS didn't attack us for a full 2 weeks while they proposed a plan to open a lane to CJF in order to fight the Lords, and they didn't attack us until near the second half of that 2nd week.

Then MS/CI went Steiner, the Lords split, and pretty much every comp team went to either Steiner or FRR, with a few going Kurita, in order to fight the Clans.

After we got pushed back, MS/CI returned to CGB and continued to try and open a lane to CJF and Steiner.

At one point New Cadedonia was captured by CGB and for the 1-2 days CGB held it, attacks by CGB mercs pretty much stopped.

When New Caledonia became an attack for Wolf instead of a defend, CWDG took it from CGB, along with the very good position CGB had there and its proximity to Steiner and CJF. CGB (including the loyalist units) get mega pissed off and launch an all out war on Wolf.



That about sums it up. Nobody is innocent in any of this. Preliminary negotiations by CI/MS were met with stubborn and sometimes hostile remarks, or downright ignored (I'll admit even I was one that was skeptical and just ignored it). Wolf units had continued to poke CGB worlds throughout the entire duration of this, adding to further tensions that eventually led to war.

And that is basically the Wolf/Bear conflict in a nutshell.

Some commentary, if I may...

1.) MS did not attack, but CI still did anyway...

2.) CGB took New Caledonia on the last day of MS?CI being in CGB before the cycle out. The next day it became available for attack, and that is when all the dispute begins.

3.) I agree, there are many at fault. I am among those as well. It seems I was perhaps a bit harsh on the entirety of MS, as there were 2 *seemingly* level headed people in here earlier discussing things. Their view points seem a bit skewed from where I sit, but honestly, I cannot fault them for believing what their cohorts say. They were not there to witness the situation play out, though, neither were their cohorts either.

So, for those members of MS who were not the source of the trolling, and smack talk, and insults, to those of you that may have been lumped in by association. I will give you all the benefit of the doubt before judging you in the future.

Though, that does not mean that your trolls should not find something more productive to do with themselves...

[ApolloKaras]

Gyrok, on 04 February 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

So, for those members of MS who were not the source of the trolling, and smack talk, and insults, to those of you that may have been lumped in by association. I will give you all the benefit of the doubt before judging you in the future.

Thanks

[Necromantion]

I love the dodge of my countering of your last post there forum champ.

[MercStar Recruiter]

Saxie, on 04 February 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

Thanks

Yes....................

Edited by MercStar Recruiter, 04 February 2015 - 06:03 PM.

[Manny Rhyde]

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[Davers]

manny082, on 04 February 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

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[Errodien]

Davers, on 04 February 2015 - 07:23 PM, said:

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"Need to give people a reason to hate you without hating you?

We can fix that."

[Noesis]

manny082, on 04 February 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

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