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#81 hybrid black

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:45 PM

View PostJaroth Corbett, on 01 February 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:


Do not give me that. They spelled out what happened when they tried to talk to you. If you do not sack up & take responsibility I see no reason to try to have any kind of discourse with you in the future. WE SAW THE GOD DAMN THING! IT WAS HERE IN BLACK & WHITE!


Two days ago i messaged him for a scrim to settle things and he basically told me to **** off.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM

View Posthybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:


sooooooo........................ your upset you have to play the game to get something out of it? WTF is wrong with you, you have two options

1) play the game

2) pay for stuff

both get you the same thing, but with you attitude joining a unit wont help you, go back to solo que



Play the game and get 20,000 c bill a match wow!, no i don't have time for that i have a job, school and a LIFE to get back to. But hey you will be wishing that PGI made this game more casual friendly when their are only 20 people queing up for CW a night cause everyone is LEAVING CW. Its not community warfare, it's light skirmishes warfare. Everyone will be playing the deathmatch games cause that is where you make money

View PostLukoi Banacek, on 01 February 2015 - 07:43 PM, said:



LOL having won a planet using nothing but trial mechs (and I mean our team entirely), I'm going to have to politely disagree with you here.

As I've long said...teamwork is the only, truly OP thing in this game and there is no paywall or P2W to it.



the trial stormcrow and trial timberwolf are actually solid mechs and could pass for meta almost. IS on the other hand has garbage

Edited by Czarr, 01 February 2015 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:46 PM, said:



Play the game and get 20,000 c bill a match wow!, no i don't have time for that i have a job, school and a LIFE to get back to. But hey you will be wishing that PGI made this game more casual friendly when their are only 20 people queing up for CW a night cause everyone is LEAVING CW


We get insta ques all night i don't see your problem you have finding games, also 20k a game?? i make a 700k-1.1 mill a CW match. [Redacted] players will be bad, no matter what game they are in.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:50 PM

View PostAntonius Rex, on 31 January 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

Gentlemen,

I am writing this to inform those who are interested, that the -MS- led war of aggression against Clan Wolf is now over.

Our objectives, known for over 6 weeks at this point, have been achieved. Bear finally has their attack lane into Falcon, and within a few days, will have another into Steiner.

As mentioned both in person and in forum posts, our goal has always been to open up another attack lane for Ghost Bear. When ever we engage Wolf in battle, it is always after we have taken the FRR and Kurita lane to 100%, and we have nothing else to do. It isn't anything personal, and in fact, we have gained quite a bit of respect for a number of wolf units in this conflict. Specifically, CWI, SWoL and GK.

As mentioned before, our goal has always been to open up another attack lane, either into falcon or steiner, that the bears can work towards, rather than being forced to attack our frenemies in wolf, due to lack of anything else to do.

I envision a glorious day where Wolf and Bear can work together for the common cause of pushing to Terra. We have also been in the beginnings of Contract negotiations to possibly secure MS and possibly some of her other allies, for a stint or two fighting for Wolf.

I have been involved in numerous conversations with CWI leadership, on a nearly daily basis at this point, and the discussions are very encouraging. Let me just say that I look forward to the coming day that MS will get to work with our Wolf brothers in glory.

With regards to the recent wolf attacks, and the wolf planets currently under Bear control:

We will defend all planets under our control. Not just MS, but all of Ghost Bear. We welcome the fights, and frankly, do not take any of it personally. But we will defend the territory we have bled for.

That being said, Ghost Bear, and MS specifically, know well the sadness of limited attack lanes. And the reality is, Wolf is taking a heavy turn getting screwed by PGI's CW planet algorithm. GB knows what its like :)
You guys should have had a Steiner lane for quite a while now.

Here is what I would like to propose. And for the record, this is more than any faction has offered to us, Wolf included (Though there were a few Wolf Leaders who were willing to work with us, but sadly not enough to make anything happen).

If/When a GB planet opens up to wolf for attack, and it is in a position that would advance Wolf's goals of reopening their FRR/Steiner lanes, MS, and I suspect all of Ghost Bear, would be willing to let Wolf take the planet uncontested. Or at the very least, lightly contested.

MS truly does understand the ****** map algorithm. And I believe we are willing to work with Wolf to open up lanes that will allow us to work together the way we were meant to be.

So, if a GB planet opens up that would be strategically advantageous to wolf, in order to reopen their IS attack lanes, MS, and likely all of Ghost Bear, would be willing to give you that planet in the interest of peace and building a Wolf/Bear future together. Possibly even multiple planets.

I would only request that Wolf contacts GB and MS and lets us know that you are coming to take said valued planets. You can always find us on the mercenarystar ts.

ts.mercenarystar.net
pass: metagame

Letting us know your intentions will go a long way to avoid any "unnecessary" bloodshed. Not to mention Wolf can only take GB planets by ghost dropping us to victory. Lets be honest, MS has a 90+% win rate. Wolf only wins when they can outnumber Bear 2:1 and take the planet by default.

So, let us know when there is a useful planet that will get you closer to taking back your IS lanes. We are willing to work with Wolf to get you guys to where you want to be.


Lastly, I just wanted to mention again, and for the record, that Gyrok sucks.

The most recent Wolf-Bear conflict is directly the result of Gyrok, and CWDG's actions in the sacking of New Caladonia. If that planet had been left alone, we were only 1 jump from competing our objectives, and with said completion, the most recent war with Wolf would have been avoided. Completely.

But alas, poop heads will be poop heads.

We do not hold all of Clan Wolf responsible for said ******'s actions, but we would like to not be ever associated with one of his repute. We are very open to working with Wolf, but not them. They are outcasts to us, forever to be hated, until the time that Gyrok steps down from his position of leadership.

But on a brighter note, MS is done attacking Wolf. We have achieved our goals. And we are also willing to let Wolf take a few of our planets in order to get back the IS lanes they need to feed their people. (Salmon for everyone?)

We look forward to our future with Wolf, and look forward to any Wolf responses from anyone other than the most despised fool.

Antonius Rex,
of The Swords of Kentares,
and The MercStar Alliance

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But can you take out Jade Falcon? I don't think you can. I don't think you can totally wipe them out. Because you're scared of them. That's what I think.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:53 PM

This thread has officially come to this:



#86 Davers

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:53 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:



Play the game and get 20,000 c bill a match wow!, no i don't have time for that i have a job, school and a LIFE to get back to. But hey you will be wishing that PGI made this game more casual friendly when their are only 20 people queing up for CW a night cause everyone is LEAVING CW. Its not community warfare, it's light skirmishes warfare. Everyone will be playing the deathmatch games cause that is where you make money




the trial stormcrow and trial timberwolf are actually solid mechs and could pass for meta almost. IS on the other hand has garbage

I think you should stick with death match games so you can make money. Everyone will be happier that way.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:55 PM

View Posthybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:


We get insta ques all night i don't see your problem you have finding games, also 20k a game?? i make a 700k-1.1 mill a CW match. [Redacted] players will be bad, no matter what game they are in.


exactly 20,000 a match cause out of entire galaxy i have THREE choices right now, defending Steiner planet which is being 12 man by JFP, defend FRR which is being 12 man by MS, or defend kurita which is being 12 man by JGx. Their is almost no point in pugging matches, it would probably be better to let these 12 man turret. Enjoy CW when all you are doing is fighting turrets

View PostDavers, on 01 February 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

I think you should stick with death match games so you can make money. Everyone will be happier that way.


I would be happy if house marik was actually an active faction which they are not. Not even attacking one Steiner or Liao planet right now

Edited by Czarr, 01 February 2015 - 07:55 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:56 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:35 PM, said:


joining a unit would make no difference, its a pay to win model you need meta mechs to win which in turn comes from grinding or paying PGI cash. A lot of 12 mans get steamed rolled


While I admit I have spent cash so that I can master a Mech that I have loved since Tabletop after I already went through a ton of matches using non-meta trial mechs (average drop deck was Adder, Nova, Summoner, Warhawk) and still winning matches though losing a number of them as well, I can honestly say this isn't a pay to win model.

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

the trial stormcrow and trial timberwolf are actually solid mechs and could pass for meta almost. IS on the other hand has garbage


Yes they are solid mechs but they are not the actual Meta for those Chassis' one isn't loaded with Streaks and the other has LRMs, granted I don't agree with these Meta's 1 because I don't like Stormcrows and 2 because to me the Timberwolf is meant to have LRMs (the S and D variants excluded)

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:58 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:


exactly 20,000 a match cause out of entire galaxy i have THREE choices right now, defending Steiner planet which is being 12 man by JFP, defend FRR which is being 12 man by MS, or defend kurita which is being 12 man by JGx. Their is almost no point in pugging matches, it would probably be better to let these 12 man turret. Enjoy CW when all you are doing is fighting turrets



I would be happy if house marik was actually an active faction which they are not. Not even attacking one Steiner or Liao planet right now



As i said man up or join a unit or go back to solo que, your not being forced to be here, and by the way you talk you only hinder your team at the moment since you said the trial timber is all most meta.

edit

CW is not for everyone and was not made to be for everyone

Edited by hybrid black, 01 February 2015 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 07:59 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

the trial stormcrow and trial timberwolf are actually solid mechs and could pass for meta almost. IS on the other hand has garbage


We did it IS. Stop trying to blame the game balance for the inequities created by teamwork. Not an argument you can win.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:01 PM

View PostJadeTimberwolf, on 01 February 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:


While I admit I have spent cash so that I can master a Mech that I have loved since Tabletop after I already went through a ton of matches using non-meta trial mechs (average drop deck was Adder, Nova, Summoner, Warhawk) and still winning matches though losing a number of them as well, I can honestly say this isn't a pay to win model.



Yes they are solid mechs but they are not the actual Meta for those Chassis' one isn't loaded with Streaks and the other has LRMs, granted I don't agree with these Meta's 1 because I don't like Stormcrows and 2 because to me the Timberwolf is meant to have LRMs (the S and D variants excluded)


It can't stop a light rush, but 3 med lasers and 2 large lasers are useful in CW.

View Posthybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 07:58 PM, said:



As i said man up or join a unit or go back to solo que, your not being forced to be here, and by the way you talk you only hinder your team at the moment since you said the trial timber is all most meta.

edit

CW is not for everyone and was not made to be for everyone


Im not worried about "hindering" my team since no one on marik is doing anything right now, they hinder themselves just fine

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:04 PM

View PostLukoi Banacek, on 01 February 2015 - 07:59 PM, said:


We did it IS. Stop trying to blame the game balance for the inequities created by teamwork. Not an argument you can win.


Smoke adders have never been in an IS contract that is a lie

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:08 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 08:01 PM, said:

It can't stop a light rush, but 3 med lasers and 2 large lasers are useful in CW.


Never said they weren't, in fact I agreed that they are solid 'Mechs. There are solid 'Mechs in the IS Trials as well, including the Atlas, Cataphract, and the Jenner.

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:11 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 08:01 PM, said:


It can't stop a light rush, but 3 med lasers and 2 large lasers are useful in CW.



Im not worried about "hindering" my team since no one on marik is doing anything right now, they hinder themselves just fine


no i did not say your faction i said team, who ever you drop with you just hurt with an attitude like yours

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:18 PM

View Posthybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:


no i did not say your faction i said team, who ever you drop with you just hurt with an attitude like yours


I wouldn't call it bad attitude more like a low morale. Look i have 3 planets and ONLY three planets to play on non of whom are FWL planets cause my faction is apparently doing something else for the last 3 weeks. one is at 80% with clan jade falcon winning, the other is 79% with clan ghost bear winning, and the other one is 82% with the smoke jags winnning. It appears this game is all about clan's stomping IS and it's really boring here on the IS side and mercs going to the "lets stomp on pugs" bandwagon and all joining the same faction, and their is really no point in dropping for a match after all. I have no idea if the pug experience in the clans is better

all im saying is the game is credibly boring and no i don't think pug stomping will be any more fun and it's one sided cause their is no population balance, i wouldn't be surprised if house kurita only has like 12 people in their entire faction

Edited by Czarr, 01 February 2015 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:23 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:


I wouldn't call it bad attitude more like a low morale. Look i have 3 planets and ONLY three planets to play on non of whom are FWL planets cause my faction is apparently doing something else for the last 3 weeks. one is at 80% with clan jade falcon winning, the other is 79% with clan ghost bear winning, and the other one is 82% with the smoke jags winnning. It appears this game is all about clan's stomping IS and it's really boring here on the IS side and mercs going to the "lets stomp on pugs" bandwagon and all joining the same faction, and their is really no point in dropping for a match after all. I have no idea if the pug experience in the clans is better

all im saying is the game is credibly boring and no i don't think pug stomping will be any more fun and it's one sided cause their is no population balance, i wouldn't be surprised if house kurita only has like 12 people in their entire faction


CSJ is on the defense and losing to the IS

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:26 PM

View Posthybrid black, on 01 February 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:


CSJ is on the defense and losing to the IS


they look like they are doing better then wolf and jade falcon with more planets then both of them. They are going to flip another DC planet in another hour or so

Edited by Czarr, 01 February 2015 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:26 PM

From Antonius Rex original post "[color=#959595]MS truly does understand the ****** map algorithm. And I believe we are willing to work with Wolf to open up lanes that will allow us to work together the way we were meant to be."[/color]


View PostAntonius Rex, on 01 February 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

LOL,

Cummon PGI, fix your god dam ned algorithm already.

Wolf - no Steiner or FRR lane
Bear - no Kurita or FRR lane

Its ok though, cuz Steiner, Kurita and FRR can all attack Bear/Wolf without retaliation.

Let us all pray to the great mechajesus that Tuesday's patch has some semblance of a fix to this crap.

Also, let us pray that the entirety of Tuesday's Euro time zone progress is not wiped out, like it has been the last two patches.


Lastly, with the realization that bear cannot friggin attack 2/3 of the IS factions they are touching, I would expect further conflict on the Bear/Wolf border. As per my agreement with Wolf, I am writing to inform that we will likely be attack, for lack of other things to kill.

On that note, I would remind Wolf leadership that they also agreed to inform of any Wolf attacks into Bear Territory each phase. Not really a big deal, its not like you have much else to do. But MS has been very good about always informing the other side when we cross the border. Wolf had agreed to do the same.



So what is it Rex, you realized that you honestly dont have a freaking clue what your talking about? Everyone else around here already knows that. Hope to see your scared ass soon on the battle field. Ohh, and we will scrim your bafoons anytime.

Edited by Lucy Lui, 01 February 2015 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:33 PM

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

So clan ghost bear is attacking maetsu trying to block wolf's attack lane into steiner. Still think that the ghost bears want to be your friends clan wolf? Think again you are pawns


Haha, what attack lane into Steiner?

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Posted 01 February 2015 - 08:39 PM

The worst part of the whole algorithm glitch is that though we have no attack lane to Steiner or FRR they have one into us. Been like this for 2 1/2 days.





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