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[Joseph Mallan]

BDU Havoc, on 02 February 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

So sick of these posts.

If you don't want your teammates reporting on your position at the end of the match, do something other than running to the edge of the map and shutting down.

Or if you are already dead, sit back and wait. Its the lack of control that gets peoples knickers in a bunch.

[Rhialto]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 06:40 AM, said:

BTW, sometimes it's a lot of fun to have the remaining enemy chase you and not able to find you except sporadically. There's a real skill to hiding and running and hiding and running.

+1

Even more challenging when you're a cored Assault walking at 48Km/h!
j/k, the true fun is when you're piloting a light and sometimes a light start chasing you.

There should be a 1 vs 1 mode to this game... also called PvP I think?

[Havyek]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Or if you are already dead, sit back and wait. Its the lack of control that gets peoples knickers in a bunch.

Aye but running around looking for someone to pick off or separate the remaining 'Mechs from each other is a strategy, retreating back to base to use the defense turrets as help is a strategy.

Running and hiding is just douchery.

[Rhialto]

BDU Havoc, on 02 February 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

So sick of these posts.

If you don't want your teammates reporting on your position at the end of the match, do something other than running to the edge of the map and shutting down.

See we think differently, that ex-teammates instead of reporting should just quit watching and leave...

[Kjudoon]

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CoC just states that you should be in the battle, it does not allow you to suicide by overheat on intention or flee out of bounds.

I am in match. That is in battle. This statement validates everything I said. If I do not suicide or flee out of bounds, I lived to my part of the CoC agreement. How I fight is not yours to control, even if all I have left is the moral victory of surviving the full 15 minutes.

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Simply because PGI cna not list 100 different ways people will invent for not participating.

That's assumptive and therefore irrelevent as you are foisting your own interpretation as superior to PGIs written statements. Again, you have yet to come up with official PGI position saying that any of the things you're complaining about are against the rules.

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What you do is the cheap way of defending and bending those words to the favour of the runners and hiders.

No moreso than you claim to be speaking for PGI with your interpretation. Three pieces of evidence put into the game speak volumes that neither hiding nor running is against the rules: Shutdown, ECM and BAP.

If Shutdown was not meant to be used to hide, why is it in the game? If using it is a violation of the rules, then it should be removed. PGI has not and this gives a sound logical argument against the statement that "shutting down is a violation of CoC" since it serves no other purpose than to facilitate hiding.

ECM allows mechs that are powered up to hide easier from sensors. Simple as that.

BAP's original function was to knock out ECM AND find shut down mechs. Therefore hiding is a valid tactic in the game because this equipment is specifically designed to deal with hiding mechs!

These three major gameplay features stand in staunch refutation of your belief that hiding and running are violations of CoC.

The rule was meant to stop farmers from using bots to get base rewards from matches, win or loss while they went off and did something else. It was not designed to be used by bullies to force authorities to hand victims over to them.

Edited by Kjudoon, 02 February 2015 - 06:57 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

BDU Havoc, on 02 February 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Aye but running around looking for someone to pick off or separate the remaining 'Mechs from each other is a strategy, retreating back to base to use the defense turrets as help is a strategy.

Running and hiding is just douchery.

But a Strategy used to survive. Does not matter what you think of it.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Once again, the deal sucks and should be changed. That's all I need to acknowledge.

I suggest another game, or to play Assault or Conquest where you can ignore the hiding mech and win by cap.

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

I suggest another game, or to play Assault or Conquest where you can ignore the hiding mech and win by cap.

No thanks. I suggest if you can't handle fighting until you win or die, then don't play skirmish.

Edited by Torgun, 02 February 2015 - 07:00 AM.

[Havyek]

Rhialto, on 02 February 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

See we think differently, that ex-teammates instead of reporting should just quit watching and leave...

Which is all well and good, except for when the 'Mech that you're trying to level is locked in a match for no better reason that someone trying to protect his/her beloved KDR.

[Kjudoon]

Rhialto, on 02 February 2015 - 06:51 AM, said:

+1

Even more challenging when you're a cored Assault walking at 48Km/h!
j/k, the true fun is when you're piloting a light and sometimes a light start chasing you.

There should be a 1 vs 1 mode to this game... also called PvP I think?

Ugh, I've done it with a legged assault at 40kph, but it's not easy, and BOY they were mad. (Yes I only run fast assaults).

I hate dueling, and would rather this have a full on PvE mode where I'd never have to play PvP again. Generally speaking I hate PvP because of the community.

My best hiding job came when an entire 12man walked by my Orion, shutdown in a waterfall... with multiple mechs inside 40m of me. Oh yes... it was painted bright red and Union Pacific yellow too.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

No thanks. I suggest if you can't handle fighting until you win or die, then don't play skirmish.

Sorry Your not allowed to have an opinion I 'm afraid, you Must stop playing Skirmish so you are not wasting MY time! That is the thinking you are using as your defense right?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 February 2015 - 07:04 AM.

[Kjudoon]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 06:58 AM, said:

No thanks. I suggest if you can't handle fighting until you win or die, then don't play skirmish.

I don't except when the group I play with refused to take it off any or skirmish. Then I usually drop group after. Or it's a tournament. See, I want the brawltards to have their own playpen. Keeps them out of mine.

[Lily from animove]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

I am in match. That is in battle. This statement validates everything I said. If I do not suicide or flee out of bounds, I lived to my part of the CoC agreement. How I fight is not yours to control, even if all I have left is the moral victory of surviving the full 15 minutes.




That's assumptive and therefore irrelevent as you are foisting your own interpretation as superior to PGIs written statements. Again, you have yet to come up with official PGI position saying that any of the things you're complaining about are against the rules.




No moreso than you claim to be speaking for PGI with your interpretation. Three pieces of evidence put into the game speak volumes that neither hiding nor running is against the rules: Shutdown, ECM and BAP.

If Shutdown was not meant to be used to hide, why is it in the game? If using it is a violation of the rules, then it should be removed. PGI has not and this gives a sound logical argument against the statement that "shutting down is a violation of CoC" since it serves no other purpose than to facilitate hiding.

ECM allows mechs that are powered up to hide easier from sensors. Simple as that.

BAP's original function was to knock out ECM AND find shut down mechs. Therefore hiding is a valid tactic in the game because this equipment is specifically designed to deal with hiding mechs!

These three major gameplay features stand in staunch refutation of your belief that hiding and running are violations of CoC.

The rule was meant to stop farmers from using bots to get base rewards from matches, win or loss while they went off and did something else. It was not designed to be used by bullies to force authorities to hand victims over to them.

shutdown is not meant to hide the entire rets of a match, shutdown ahs other purposes as well, like breaking lrm lock and such. (thats even in the tooltip). Or to shut down temporarily and probably cause someone to pass by and ambush them from behind. Bap is amde to counter this. But try to bend words further and further.

The rule for farmes, is to counter the term of "exploit" while the running and hiding is for the purpose of "griefing" together with tk, and team damaging on purpose.

If you go skirmish then fight, and don't run. otherwise go the other modes where the mechanic allows a primary objective to win the game and no one cares for someone runnign away.

Edited by Lily from animove, 02 February 2015 - 07:06 AM.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

Sorry Your not allowed to have an opinion I 'm afraid, you Must stop playing Skirmish so you are not wasting MY time! That is the thinking you are using as your defense right?

Only difference is I'm not actually wasting anyone's time by not hiding.

[RG Notch]

Joseph Mallan, on 02 February 2015 - 05:35 AM, said:

What level of Conceit is required to think that Time is yours if you are not alone?

Exactly, only a truly conceited person would waste other people's time to preserve their KDR. Oh you meant the other people... I guess only some people are supposed to consider that they are playing with others.

[Kjudoon]

BDU Havoc, on 02 February 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

Which is all well and good, except for when the 'Mech that you're trying to level is locked in a match for no better reason that someone trying to protect his/her beloved KDR.

"Beloved KDR"... wow... what a dead horse that belief is. Nobody protects that worthless stat... wait... do you? The only thing I really care about are my match rewards because that shows what I really do in a game. KDR... hah! what a joke. I also don't like playing victim, and I do derive a certain amount of schadenfreude from making some players lose their minds in QQ because I won't volunteer for executiion.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 02 February 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

Only difference is I'm not actually wasting anyone's time by not hiding.

point being you want to force your will on someone else. And you refuse when the shoe is on the other foot. It is hypocritical.

[Torgun]

Kjudoon, on 02 February 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

I don't except when the group I play with refused to take it off any or skirmish. Then I usually drop group after. Or it's a tournament. See, I want the brawltards to have their own playpen. Keeps them out of mine.

I love it when people try to act as if skirmish is such a stupid game mode, while the game of standing in boxes is so advanced it makes chess look like a couple cavemen rolling rocks down hills. Because let's be real here, it's not. It's just a question of what you enjoy or not.

[Joseph Mallan]

RG Notch, on 02 February 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

Exactly, only a truly conceited person would waste other people's time to preserve their KDR. Oh you meant the other people... I guess only some people are supposed to consider that they are playing with others.

Nope, The person sitting around waiting is wasting their own time by staying. The other person is still playing. They don't owe you an obligation to die or fight any longer. If there is 6 minutes left and I'm last one standing for my team, the time is mine to use. I will use it how I see fit. Now you can sit and wait or hit exit and do something else with YOUR time.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 02 February 2015 - 07:10 AM.

[Rhialto]

Question for haters of last man standing who flee and hide.

• Why does the P button let us power down?
  
• Why BAP module offer discovering of powered down Mechs?

Would you just remove both features or what?