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[CyclonerM]

Cimarb, on 07 February 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

and push coreward, like we are supposed to be?

Trothkin, you are touching a very bad spot there..

Edited by CyclonerM, 07 February 2015 - 02:07 PM.

[Cimarb]

CyclonerM, on 07 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Trothkin, you are touching a very bad spot there..

Good! Maybe it will get you guys headed there, instead of nipping at our bum!

[Spartan6]

Due 2 all e issues, i will not join in any match vs any clan world till things can be sorted out, that is e only thing i can do now, not contributing 2 a already messy situ

[Mordin Ashe]

What worries me is that CW wise we are one of the smallest factions right now. Almost no loyalists plays CW ... loosing planets to CW, always our inferior, only because noone fights... sad.

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 06 February 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

...(snip)...I really wish there was a way to designate Mercenaries as Mercenaries within a faction. That would solve a lot of that problem, though not all of it...(snip)...

Aff.

As to the remainder of your post... I suppose CGB reaps what is sows when it comes to Inter-Clan Warfare (or OPN PLAID if you prefer.) personally I go to the Public Queue rather than attack Allies in CW... guess I am kinda naive that way.

[Prussian Havoc]

Vlad Ward, on 06 February 2015 - 11:39 PM, said:

Edit: I don't care any more.

It is the "any more" that surprises me.

Great games against House Kurita though. I have enjoyed them in the past and look forward any future matches.

[Cimarb]

Prussian Havoc, on 07 February 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

Aff.

As to the remainder of your post... I suppose CGB reaps what is sows when it comes to Inter-Clan Warfare (or OPN PLAID if you prefer.) personally I go to the Public Queue rather than attack Allies in CW... guess I am kinda naive that way.

I would like to point out that "CGB" consists of about 15-20 CGBI members, a handful of Russian CGB members, a handful of German CGB members, and MercStar, lol... We are only "big" when MercStar is on our side, and it is definitely a double-edged sword.

The only time I have approved of an attack on another Clan is when it has been needed - such as Tan Linh - to open up our IS attack lane. CSJ cut us off, and we need to open it back up, but the only way to do so is to attack.

CSJ will soon understand our predicament, if you guys do not already. Having 6 defense lanes...every...single...attack window, sucks, especially when you only have 1-2 attack lanes into the IS along with that.

[Prussian Havoc]

Peter2000, on 07 February 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Prussian, I like you, but GET OFF YOUR DAMNED HIGH HORSE. It's (REDACTED) posts like this that put people off of roleplayers. Just because I'm a merc doesn't mean that I can't look out for my employer's interests*, nor that I am not entitled to my own opinion.

Never did I suggest that I had perm-conned onto CSJ, so your charge is absurd. I did state (as I have before) that I consider CGB's actions to be duplicitous and harmful to CSJ, and that they are not worthy of the trust you have put in them.

*and my employer is CSJ as a whole - not you personally!

I was quite clear and not role playing.

Until PGI manages the whole Icon-within-an-Icon (or some similar) mechanism - a regular-sized Mercenary Icon with a smaller, offset Contracted-Faction Icon within it - opinions of term-mercenaries will continue to be mistaken for the opinions of Loyalists forces and to a lesser extent, vice-a-versa.

Just this simple visual depiction-change alone would resolve ALL my concerns in regards to my "High Horse" and Mercenaries passing themselves off as Loyalist to disrupt and degrade any actual intra or inter-Factional dialogue attempts on these forums.



A little Transparency and Truth-in-Advertising would permit viewers to weight as is appropriate the comments of both a loyalist and mercenaries.


I am sure you'll see the value in better, more accurate forum Icons.

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 07 February 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

...(snip)...On the other hand, the attack of Tan Linh was a good use of resources against CSJ, since it is needed to open our Kurita attack lane back up...(snip)...

Neg.

I watched for the better part of a week, while try CSJ border expanded laterally one slow star system by one slow star system by one slow star system at a time, until CGB was sealed off from House Kurita like Kerensky in his tome.

CGB was so involved with inter-Clan combat that the Kurita Attack Lane to Terra bled a slow, slow, slow, slow death.

To then claim that an UNANNOUNCED and UNCOORDINATED attack on Tanh Linh is somehow just the result of a dawning comprehension that recommencing the drive on toward Terra is finally appropriate once again and somehow CGB's due and right...


...beggars the very nature of Peace between CSJ and CGB.



These are matters to ponder and ruminate upon.

[Cimarb]

I am not saying anything was coordinated. We (as in the CGBI members I am dropping with) make groups on our TS, and push what we think needs pushed. We do have members that go over the the MS TS and fill in spots there sometimes, but it is less than 12 at the best of times. Full groups are on our TS, and I do not think we have ever had more than 2 at any one time. Those are all during NA window, as well, and we have very few members in the other timezones.

I was gone during the couple days it took for CSJ to push across our front. At 3 planets a day, with almost no opposition during that time, it did not take long. When I came back, the only option we had was to push through you guys to open the window back up. We took Tan Linh, and then the algorithm screwed us again and has continued to do so since.

Peace (in CW) does not mean never attacking each other. Peace means working together for a common goal. That goal should be pushing towards Terra, but all of this stupid bickering has caused us to lose focus on that goal, just like the mercenaries intended.

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 07 February 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

...(snip)...CSJ will soon understand our predicament, if you guys do not already. Having 6 defense lanes...every...single...attack window, sucks, especially when you only have 1-2 attack lanes into the IS along with that.

And here is where we differ it would appear.

At any one time the Inner Sphere has FINITE resources with which to fight both internally as well as against the Clans.

The more lines of attack CSJ has directed against it, the more of the Inner-Sphere-Attack-burden CSJ can shoulder during our (also) FINITE time of Mercenary-fueled Martial Strength.

Let Clan Wolf regain its impetus and momentum in the Drive on Terra.

Let Clan Ghost Bear amicably reach for a resolution that reopen a squandered Kurita Attack Lane.

Let Jade Falcon "keep on keeping on" and hope that the apparently senile-logarithm eventually permits it to aggressively mor toward Terra vice the large, bloating ameboid effect the logarithm is currently inflicting.


All too soon, 228's contract will have run its course, REM likewise and a great bulk of combat power will shift beyond "Grey" Space.

It is my sincere intention to assist in the wicking together of a residual CSJ spearhead towards Terra that is maintainable and well-positioned for continues success POST-OPN DRAGON ON STEROIDS (okay, this is not an actual operation, just an attempt to describe the effect of BWC, ACES, CI and so much else Mercenary Strength all descending on the Combine enmass) and post-228/REM.

Whether that is possible or not remains to be seen, but I can tell you an abundance of enjoyable Community Warfare exists between now and then and afterwards!


CLANS FIRST, SMOKE JAGUAR ALWAYS!

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 07 February 2015 - 10:46 PM.

[Cimarb]

Prussian Havoc, on 07 February 2015 - 10:45 PM, said:

And here is where we differ it would appear.

At any one time the Inner Sphere has FINITE resources with which to fight both internally as well as against the Clans.

The more lines of attack CSJ has directed against it, the more of the Inner-Sphere-Attack-burden CSJ can shoulder during our (also) FINITE time of Mercenary-fueled Martial Strength.

Let me know how those finite resources feel after a few days knocking at your doors...

[Prussian Havoc]

Cimarb, on 08 February 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Let me know how those finite resources feel after a few days knocking at your doors...

Well, it feels quite nicely thank you.

Today, saw CSJ winning round one - turning away some very insistent visitors while STILL retaining all CSJ worlds in the NA-cycle from some very persistent BWC, CI, Seraphim, ACES effort at Yardley.

AND UNLESS I AM MISTAKEN, House Kurita now has TWO attack lanes into Clan smoke Jaguar - one Breakout attempt from the Luthien encirclement and one Breakout attempt from the Egulles/Maule encirclement. I have yet to verify this however. If anyone can clarify this situation, please add comments to this thread.

228-remains the CSJ Vanguard, witness their latest Planetary TAG.

...and fun games were enjoyed by all.

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 08 February 2015 - 11:36 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Peter2000, on 05 February 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

I think it is abundantly clear that the CSJ loyalists have been played for fools by the duplicitous CGB. CGB accepts "Clan Unity" when, and only when, it benefits them. GCGB and CGBI along with their merc forces have attacked CSJ on a few separate occasions.

Personally I have no problem with this, except that 1. They lie about a "ceasefire", at least between "loyalist" units 2. The CSJ loyalists appear to have a battered wife mentality and keep thinking that CGB only attacks them because CGB loves them, and CSJ hasn't quite bent over backwards far enough.

We have not played anyone for fools. I am a member of the Ourse Keshik which is the ruling body for CGBI. We have never tried to screw over any faction whether it be Clan or IS. We have played the game above board. Have we had communication issues? MOST DEFINITELY but that does not constitute to us being shady or trying to exploit other units.

Let us get down to brass tax & lay all the facts on the table because I am sick of this ****.

CW is launched. As a unit we are trying to come up with ways to go about getting our members into this new game module. Wolf comes bitching & moaning that we attacked them. We are confused because frankly none of our Bears had even left the cave. We then find out mercs can fight for Clans, , a few merc units have already done so & indeed have attacked Wolf. When we try to investigate, the merc guys do not even hesitate to tell us everything is true.

"Hey we took these planets for you. You're welcome."

We had to figure out how we as a unit were going to deal with this & while doing so, Wolf is still whining & moaning as if they knew in advance that mercs could fight for Clans or more importantly that we knew and either just let it happen or actually conspired & colluded with the mercs in question to screw Wolf. All the while not keeping the ******* Gyrok in check, who surprise surprise, was the common denominator for Wolf taking it up the ass after having pissed off so many mercs going all Arr-Pee. Wolf took no responsibility for that *******, a guy who actually IS part of a faction & has been for some time, but we are supposed to be responsible for units that only claimed loyalty to our faction when CW was launched? Kiss my ass.

The Russians & Germans have not been in contact with us much from what I understand. As to whether or not they knew about the merc situation before CW went live, we will never know but I suspect they were in the same boat as us. I do remember seeing a post from a GCGB guy saying Wolf attacked some planet & now it is war. I just came home from work so I am not going to look for it but it is there. They made their intentions VERY clear.

The thing is, and for the record this is just MY point of view, this all happened very quickly & unexpectedly & we as a unit were not fully prepared. One of the reasons I joined Ghost Bear after leaving Wolf was because they did not have Khan positions. I had bad experiences when one or two guys held all the power which turned them into major ******** going all the way back to MW4. CW has changed this game forever & in light of that, the Clan has elected our first Khan to, as is the case in the lore, be our war leader & coordinate CW. He will have the authority to select worlds for priority attack & defense. We are adapting to the situation & we are working it out.

I have tried to add some lore into the mix to spice things up so we do not have the same bland "Attack X" or Defend "Y".

Here is an example:

Quote

SEND TO: GALAXY COMMANDERS ANCIENT DEMISE & SANSDAEDALUS

PRIORITY MESSAGE: NEW CALEDONIA

AUTHENTICATION TO FOLLOW:

CLAN WOLF HAS ATTACKED US ON NEW CALEDONIA. BREAK. THEY SAY IT WAS THEIR OWN TO BEGIN WITH & THEY ARE JUST TAKING IT BACK. BREAK. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ORDERS COME ACROSS MY DESK TO CEDE ANY WORLDS TO THE WOLVES. BREAK. THEREFORE WITH A LOOSE CONGLOMERATION OF PUG CADETS, I AM DEFENDING THE PLANET. BREAK. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE NO COORDINATION & HAVE LOST SEVEN BATTLES IN A ROW. BREAK. REQUEST THE IMMEDIATE REDEPLOYMENT OF THE 1ST & 3RD BEAR GUARDS. BREAK. I WILL HOLD OUT AS LONG AS I CAN UNTIL REINFORCEMENTS ARRIVE. BREAK. LOREMASTER JAROTH CORBETT OUT.

AUTHENTICATING:

Golf Echo Tango Yankee Oscar Uniform Romeo Alpha Sierra Sierra Echo Sierra Hotel Echo Romeo Echo November Oscar Whiskey

I work nights & am home during the day when most of our members are either @school or @work. I might run into the AUS/NZ members & some EU guys & because of that, I try to play as many CW games as possible mostly in defence of Clan worlds. Ghost Bear planets have priority for me of course, but if I can help out Wolf & Smoke Jaguar, I do it. I have played with many of you so you guys see me in game & know I speak the truth.

We did not try to screw over Wolf or Smoke Jaguar. **** happened. Things went sideways & we are all trying to adjust. Do not question the honor of my faction again.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 09 February 2015 - 05:42 AM.

[CyclonerM]

I try to keep my head cool (with mixed success), so i will not question your Clan's honor. However, i must be fairly honest, and express a concern of mine. If you look at the reborn Star League thread, the usual few vocal MS members have caused some more drama after they were politely told at the Wazan conference that their presence was not liked by many unit delegates.

In that thread, many of the posters have expressed negative comments against MS, calling them trolls, annoyed by the fact that they accuse the others of limiting their gameplay while they want to do the same thing to us. In short, they are taking their alliance's already pretty low reputation and tearing it to shreds with machine gun fire.

In all my honesty and naivety, i ask you: why did you not express this kind of comments against them? My impression is that you just washed your hands off. Did you fear that pissing them off would leave your Clan with too little strenght? I am not trying to troll or anything here, you know me. I am genuinely wondering.

Just another thing, Loremaster. To be again fairly honest, i think we knew that Clans could employ mercs. Or at least we could have guessed it. Since seasons were out of the board, i remember Russ saying that the only other way to let people play with both Clan and IS 'Mechs was to have them being able to switch from Clan to IS and vice versa, with the possibility of taking short contracts with any faction. I call that being a merc.

I totally understand that you cannot control them, but now they gave the impression that Clan Wolf hates all the mercs. While there are some who are very into RP and are not happy at the possibility of the Clans having mercs, i prefer to judge them by their actions. We have actually worked with a couple of merc units (and we still are) and they gave no issue, they dropped with us and we were all having fun togheter. Honor to them, i say. They may not be Clan warriors, but they deserve our respect for their actions. Some mercs, on the other hand, have done nothing but sow discord among friendly Clans, leaving behind more or less justified distrust and thirst of revenge. A situation that i wish did not happen..

Funny fact: in the Star League thread, one of the MS guys claimed they want to work with others, while they have always openly stated they wanted to do whatever they wanted, disgregarding any agreement, not caring about helping their faction's goals..

[Jaroth Corbett]

What reborn Star League thread?

[CyclonerM]

Jaroth Corbett, on 09 February 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

What reborn Star League thread?

You did not know? The Second Star League is already born apparently!

This is the thread. Here is about where the fun starts. Page more, page less

[Cimarb]

MercStar, while filled with lots of really great people, is a double-edged sword for us (CGB). They are a great ally when they are with us, but they are much larger than us - being comprised of five+ units, each of which is about as big as CGBI on their own (in CW numbers, at least - we have lots of non-CW players, sadly) - and as such, we have little to no control over them.

"They" are only a part of "us" while they have the CGB faction icon. "We" (CGBI) are not "us" (CGB), even though we are by far the largest loyalist unit within CGB.

I am honestly not sure what mercs have been playing for Wolf, but I can tell you that your feelings towards MS are very similar to how we feel about QQ and some other CSJ merc units (when they are contracted over there, of course). It is a problem, and a large one at that.

While we may have had a brief inkling that mercs would be able to choose Clan before CW went live, CW going live so quickly was a surprise to 99% of us, and I do not think any of us thought CW would work this way, with contracts being pretty much meaningless and huge units would be swapping factions every week or two just to stir up trouble.

[CyclonerM]

Cimarb, on 09 February 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

"They" are only a part of "us" while they have the CGB faction icon. "We" (CGBI) are not "us" (CGB), even though we are by far the largest loyalist unit within CGB.

I am honestly not sure what mercs have been playing for Wolf, but I can tell you that your feelings towards MS are very similar to how we feel about QQ and some other CSJ merc units (when they are contracted over there, of course). It is a problem, and a large one at that.

While we may have had a brief inkling that mercs would be able to choose Clan before CW went live, CW going live so quickly was a surprise to 99% of us, and I do not think any of us thought CW would work this way, with contracts being pretty much meaningless and huge units would be swapping factions every week or two just to stir up trouble.

At this time, no big names. At least three smaller units, from what i recall.

In the past Tank and his Liberty Guard have fought for Clan Wolf, and it is always a honor and a pleasure to drop with him.

No big names at the moment, but as you can see, we do not blindly hate mercs as some claim

What bothers me is that only our Clan got the "merc hate" label, though.

Edited by CyclonerM, 09 February 2015 - 12:02 PM.

[Noesis]

CyclonerM, on 09 February 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

What bothers me is that only our Clan got the "merc hate" label, though.

Members of you Clan treated and continue to treat MERCs and other groups like ****. And this with the idea of trying to point the blame elsewhere than where it needs to be, at yourselves. What do you expect, duh?

Edited by Noesis, 09 February 2015 - 12:07 PM.