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[Cleaver404]

"How about no. My thoughts are my own; anything MS leadership wants to make official they'll come here and tell you."

This, people, this. And it came from the agitator/troll and not from anyone confronting him.

My previous response tried to imply it: if this is the attitude & stance of the majority of -MS- & folks there want to go along with it, so be it, otherwise, I'm seeing, uh, like 4 or so guys from the group posting here & from what I understand, none of the senior folks (egalitarian communes being what they are, people who put in the work & effort to build such are seen as influential leaders) posting here saying "yup, we hate your new idea & you're jerks we'll never forgive for us not being a disruptive influence on your TS chat Sat." If that's the sentiment, ok, that sucks, but on we all go.

Folks are talking a lot about how long their organization has been doing one thing or other. I, for one, have spent years since closed beta being an antisocial, unaffiliated guy, who just likes drilling out center torsos. Since CW, it brought back a lot of the RP & lore I loved playing tabletop & I'm now proud to be part of that w/ a group I both always identified with in said lore and now really like the cut of their jib for how they run the faction: Marik (& MGA specifically now).

Molossian had the right of it here: can we stop being angry at those who don't want to participate in this initiative/idea & get back to talking, oh, about the initiative/idea? If -MS- as a whole truly hate it & hate any involved with it, welp, ok, again, makes those fights more meaningful.

Meantime, crazy as it sounds for me to say it after reading all the vitrol, bobF (can I snap a selfie!? Oh, wait, no, I don't care about cred or rep or people or anything other than a fun game) has a point: PGI wants this to be a balanced, sustainable meta-game. I fully support Ilithi & this nSL initiative, but I do so *because* it should help balance the currently out-of-whack meta-game in CW. If the Clans roll everyone, CW's dead. I like CW. Keep CW alive. Some of us will try to do that with additional communication, cooperation, and not just "faction" alignment, "*game*" alignment of keeping us all competitive and able to keep end-game content exciting.

My TL;DR: sometimes even trolls have a point, keep the game fun & I look forward to boring out my opponents' CT's.

Edited by Cleaver404, 08 February 2015 - 03:10 PM.

[bobF]

Catamount, on 08 February 2015 - 02:58 PM, said:

You know, if I'd known we'd have gotten bobF so angry and worked up over this, I'd have suggested we do it months ago.

If that's all we accomplish then it was a worthwhile endeavor.

First of all:



Secondly, this thread isn't even the same threadnaught class as the original Gyrok thread, or some other inter-Clan threads, so even your accomplishment here is questionable.

Terrible.

Edit: Cleaver *gets it.* Well done sir.

Edited by bobF, 08 February 2015 - 03:17 PM.

[AlexEss]

bobF, on 08 February 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

I ain´t even mad

Good... Much better to be mead.... Or at least drinking mead... Or at the very least be brewing mead...

[hybrid black]

Uite Dauphni, on 08 February 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Hey now! As a member of the Desert Rats, I take offense to that statement! Rat's asses are something to be treasured!

i do apologizes, ummm does a gyroks ass work better?

[Catamount]

bobF, on 08 February 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

I don't care what you call it just so long as you keep throwing us tears. They're delicious.

[hybrid black]

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 01:25 PM, said:

Cbills?
The only thing less meaningful than having a tag on a planet. If you had said LP, then you may have had a point, because at least w/ LP, you get mechbays, etc.

Cbills? I have over a half-billion of those. If they weren't on fiberplast chips, I'd be wiping my ass with them.

Yes some people have many cbills but many members do not, and im more saying cbills for a unit to use in future CW features.

[bobF]

Catamount, on 08 February 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

I don't care what you call it just so long as you keep throwing us tears. They're delicious.

What tears? I get to PvP with perhaps the most efficient and elite fighting force this game has to offer, every evening, against a variety of opponents. Perhaps you were confused with the tears being shed at my posts and MS.

Edited by bobF, 08 February 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[hybrid black]

Catamount, on 08 February 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

I don't care what you call it just so long as you keep throwing us tears. They're delicious.

well from the looks of everything, everyone crys/bicthes about anything MercStar does

[LordSkyKnight]

As off topic as this thread is, I'm just gonna throw in my two cbills. BobF keeps going on about how awesome keeping the PvP up is, and yet when MS drops into a match against 12 pugs, what happens afterward hardly qualifies as PvP. There's even a post on here that someone from MS admits that some players just drop into the match and then go play something else as their allies crush the pugs. How is that fun PvP for either side? If you were truly a champion of fun, competitive PvP, you would be trying to make this SLDF idea work because it might bring enough decent pilots together to put up a fight for you. But that isn't really what you're interested in. You're interested in being in the group with the most tagged planets, regardless of whether the groups existence and/or actions actually help create a more fun and competitive metagame for everyone involved. So please stop with playing the white knight of PvP, because all you really care about is getting the most attention, not playing more challenging opponents.

Edited by LordSkyKnight, 08 February 2015 - 03:48 PM.

[bobF]

MS fights plenty of worthy opponents, including every comp unit you've heard of. I salute them all for their abilities, here and in-game. All the Star League will do is limit the options of these elite warriors.

Edited by bobF, 08 February 2015 - 03:54 PM.

[Davers]

bobF, on 08 February 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

It's useless for us to try and explain. Everyone is trying to play against the established game mechanics and point of the game (i.e. that everyone is a merc and flipping sides is what is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN), and the Star League is just the current iteration of blind Clan hate.

Everyone can compare epeens on which unit has the greater history or more egalitarian member policies, I really don't care. All I know is that MS welcomed me as a pilot without preconceptions, without prejudice, and above all, without some overarching and bloated player-generated bureaucracy. MS is here to PLAY VIDEO GAMES, and we are doing it right as evidenced by our successes in battle, the cohesion of the players in TS, and the foresight of the leadership to play the game as it's obviously meant to be played.

It's becoming more evident that the MS snub (which for the record, WE WERE ejected from the conference, whether you want to play semantics or not. Summarily booting someone from the channel or politely explaining that no one likes them and they should really gtfo, but can remain if they want, has the same functional outcome) is really about unit rivalry and factional political clout, and not some RP effort to save humanity, which is a shame. Roadbeer is going on about diplomacy but it is YOU GUYS that need to choose words carefully; it is YOU that loses more by antagonizing a unit that not only has great numbers, but a great majority of competent to high-end competitive players. It's one thing to be a part of some zerg unit just filled with bodies, but quite another to have both the numbers AND skill. Think about it.

People have also conveniently ignored the realities that the MS posters in this thread have tried to convey. You aren't going to stop the PvP, and making up a player bureaucracy that tells players whom they're allowed to attack, while the attack lanes themselves remain open, is never going to function. When I made my post regarding the devolution of Inner Sphere space into Complete Warfare, and that it was glorious, was a sincere post. Everyone is fighting right now, having fun in the way they have fun. A star league puts too many parameters on that, and narrows the options for players opting in to such a bad idea, as can be seen from detractors and opponents (who are not members of MS if anyone noticed).

Not lost on any astute observer is also the snubbing of Steiner. Really, you guys are going to have a star league without one of the great houses, as they seek to deal with several invaders at the same time, an effort you label as treason? Really? Because a group of players that wish to keep their imagined sovereign territory intact against another faction taking advantage of the situation by playing the victim (FRR)? This thing is so full of holes, only because everyone advocating this Star League refuses to accept the game mechanics as they stand today.

When PGI implements more in-game management tools, social tools, and other things related to player organization, all we have are queues and attack lanes. You people should really just save yourselves the stress and welcome opportunities to PvP, rather than create imagined enemies to satisfy your collective RP bohners.

I don't know why you can't seem to grasp that the 'Star League' will consist of units that voluntarily support the goals of the 'Star League'. No one is being forced. No one is saying 'We are making a Star League so now every unit has to listen to us'.

How could Steiner be snubbed? There is no Steiner. Just units who are currently earning LP for Steiner. We are all mercs, right? An invitation was put out for any unit to respond to. Units that have no interest in the Star League are in no way beholden to it. Neither are pugs or anyone else who didn't choose to be.

So go ahead and play video games. No one is asking you to stop.

[LordSkyKnight]

bobF, on 08 February 2015 - 01:56 PM, said:

a unit that not only has great numbers, but a great majority of competent to high-end competitive players. It's one thing to be a part of some zerg unit just filled with bodies, but quite another to have both the numbers AND skill.

bobF, on 08 February 2015 - 03:52 PM, said:

MS fights plenty of worthy opponents, including every comp unit you've heard of. I salute them all for their abilities, here and in-game. All the Star League will do is limit the options of these elite warriors.

So if you control the great majority of the competent to high end players, who are you fighting against? Get your story straight bud. Also how is another group of good players in ANY way limiting you from getting good competitive matches?

Edited by LordSkyKnight, 08 February 2015 - 03:58 PM.

[HBizzle]

Roadbeer, on 07 February 2015 - 11:56 PM, said:

IS, "Hey, we're putting together the SLDF to defend against the Clans"
MS, "You kicked us out of the meeting ,,l,, "
IS, "You know what, you're right. That was wrong of us, come back in two weeks"
MS, "We'll be on our tour with the Clans then"
IS

This is a fair point. LOL.

[Valar13]

Michael Costanza, on 08 February 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Weren't you just in House Davion?

My reasons for joining House Marik are well-documented.

[bobF]

LordSky, if you think MS somehow has a monopoly on good players, you're just ignorant, or (obviously) making a lame attempt at specious argument.

There are plenty of good players to fight.

[MischiefSC]

I like how Bob considers having a group to carry him and earn successes he can not but by association take credit for to be a good thing. You establish your worth vicariously; you try to associate with people better and more numerous than yourself so you can attempt to borrow the authority of their success instead of making it on your own.

That is unfortunate but you gotta roll with what you have.

Many of us are actually in small units specifically because we don't want to belong to a group with someone like that in it.

I have none and want no voice in the nSL BTW but I appreciate its goals. I also like how you sidestep the key observation here.

I like how you need to make insulting assumptions about everyone else. Neckbeard, etc. You also have to borrow any appearance of legitimacy for the people you associate with. This is all pretty clearly because your own position has no legitimacy of it's own and you have no actual argument except 'anyone who disagrees with me is a dummy head'.

You have managed to go past wrong and into broken. As sad as it sounds that embarrassing accomplishment is the only one you can claim as your own.

[Davers]

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

I like how you need to make insulting assumptions about everyone else. Neckbeard, etc. You also have to borrow any appearance of legitimacy for the people you associate with. This is all pretty clearly because your own position has no legitimacy of it's own and you have no actual argument except 'anyone who disagrees with me is a dummy head'.

I like how he called people neck beards. but seems to have made extensive studies of Star Trek. NERD!

[LordSkyKnight]

You're the one who said that you control the "great majority of competent to high end competitive players," not me. My only argument is that if you truly cared about good fun PvP as much as you seem to spout about it, your actions would probably be a lot different. For starters, you and your unit should be fighting against MS wherever they go instead of following them around stomping pugs. That would make for some damn good PvP if you're even half as good as you claim to be. Or maybe MS would be trying harder to drop opposite of the comp units that didn't join them instead of going where it's easiest to get more planets tagged. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions state that you don't give a damn about good PvP.

[HBizzle]

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

Ummm, Pollux, Cor Caroli and Gacrux were all taken PRIOR to 24 hours ago.

So was Alioth.

[Valar13]

Also still lol 5ever at boobF's stubborn insistence on his personal interpretation of CW (we all mercs guise) applies to everyone and anyone who doesn't share it is playing wrong.