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[hybrid black]

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

This guy doesn't understand that the Civil War was a "for funsies" league within the FWL, something I knew in broad generalities before joining Marik, and in the next post his buddy calls someone else "out of the loop."

Can't make this up, folks.

im not even reading X's posts to be honest, and the personi was talking to is out of the loop and many months behind everyone else in what is really going on. to think MercStar are just thugs is a very misguided idea, many of us have 10+ coms open and talk and make plans all day. we have weeks of plans made that get picked every week.

Edited by hybrid black, 08 February 2015 - 01:08 PM.

[Xavier]

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

Ahh, but you see, y'all gave up your individuality to unite under one flag, and one "leader".

Marik learned almost 2 decades ago that this leads to egos, fracturing and many not so kind words. We are a coalition that formed under one banner, and while each unit has its individuality, no unit has more "power" than the other. A unit with 5 members has the same voice as a unit with 100.

RMA fights along with 4th RH
DRs fight along with Widows

And any merc unit that comes onto our server has a space in the group.

We don't care about getting our little tags on planets, because at the end of the day, the planet is still purple.

Clearly you do not understand how MS works, we are not united under 1 leader Rex is more reflective of a CEO that is responsible for doing the day in and day out organization and coordination. Every unit leader in MS has an equal say as to what the whole group does or does not do and votes are held anytime decisions are needed much like a board of directors would for a company.

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

Would you be employing the idiotic "'Murica won the war" rhetoric? Or perhaps referring to the Soviets, who were largely responsible for breaking the back of the German war machine?

Show me the part where members of the Allies gave up their individual identities as separate military entities or stop equivocating.

I did not start the equivocating! You did. Stop drawing parallels if you will stop me from doing the same!

[Faith McCarron]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 01:05 PM, said:

we have weeks of plans made that get picked every week.

Do you, by chance, have a mustache that you twirl while saying things like that? What does that mean?

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Clearly you do not understand how MS works, we are not united under 1 leader Rex is more reflective of a CEO that is responsible for doing the day in and day out organization and coordination. Every unit leader in MS has an equal say as to what the whole group does or does not do and votes are held anytime decisions are needed much like a board of directors would for a company.





I did not start the equivocating! You did. Stop drawing parallels if you will stop me from doing the same!

Make valid parallels, then.

[Davers]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Clearly you do not understand how MS works, we are not united under 1 leader Rex is more reflective of a CEO that is responsible for doing the day in and day out organization and coordination. Every unit leader in MS has an equal say as to what the whole group does or does not do and votes are held anytime decisions are needed much like a board of directors would for a company.

House Marik does the same as MS, except we do not demand everyone joins one unit. If you were to look at the 2 TS side by side they would seem identical. Only difference is MS is one 'umbrella unit', while FWLM has allowed units to remain independent. The only difference is that MS gets to put a single name on a planet, while we don't particularly care whose unit gets the credit.

[stratagos]

Normally when I see someone say the following I think they're a condescending *****, and I realize I might come across that way. Nevertheless, I feel this is appropriate:

Girls, you're both pretty.

Meaning, who *cares* why MS united the way they did and the New Star League (NSL) united a different way.

Does it matter? Does the (undeniable) success that MS has enjoyed mean that the model they follow is the *only* model to follow? Plainly this is not so.

Is there a chance that the NSL will fail at it's stated goal? Yes - but that doesn't mean they shouldn't give it a shot.

MS members, surely you understand that the model you follow *independent of what may or may not be said in the forums* is going to strike people as a bit... EVE-Online-ish. And that is going to drive some wariness.

It really doesn't matter. To date, the units that make up MS has followed a model that works for them. Now other units are trying something else out. Why some MS members seem to be reacting as though this was a fundamental threat to them is confusing.

The two models are fundamentally different, but that doesn't make one 'right' or 'wrong'; they are two distinct approaches to solving a perceived problem.

And they can coexist in the same game.

As CW continues to roll out, we will see how additional variables added by PGI influence unit and individual behavior. Both organizational methods might be supplanted.

In the meantime, game on and have fun

[hybrid black]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 12:52 PM, said:

When did I ever call anyone "out of the loop". I believe you are confusing poster's

for some reason this person is bringing my conversation with someone else in to yours hes kind of a [Redacted]

[Roadbeer]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 01:06 PM, said:

Clearly you do not understand how MS works, we are not united under 1 leader Rex is more reflective of a CEO that is responsible for doing the day in and day out organization and coordination. Every unit leader in MS has an equal say as to what the whole group does or does not do and votes are held anytime decisions are needed much like a board of directors would for a company.

And that is cumbersome, a trait not desirable in an organization that moves around a lot.

The way Marik is structured, while we all are fighting in the interest of Marik, we have the agility that if it's in our interest to assist the FRR, a unit can step forward, lets say Desert Rats for example and say "We'd like to go help the FRR'. So they break contract with Marik, any Marik members who wish to join them, join the DRs and off they go to the FRR as an expeditionary force.

MS just moves to put their tags on planets, it's the only way for them to keep score, and I respect that.

But this often runs contrary to the goals of the faction they're joining, at which point MS "does what it wants".

Ergo, the reputation.

Again, I have much respect for MS, and have had a good relationship with Tony since the first Marik Civil War. So, I would caution the members of MS and Marik to dial back their shitposting a little bit as it causes strain among the "fighters" of the factions that the "Diplomats" have to clean up.

Edited by Roadbeer, 08 February 2015 - 01:18 PM.

[hybrid black]

stratagos, on 08 February 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

MS members, surely you understand that the model you follow *independent of what may or may not be said in the forums* is going to strike people as a bit... EVE-Online-ish. And that is going to drive some wariness.

It really doesn't matter. To date, the units that make up MS has followed a model that works for them. Now other units are trying something else out. Why some MS members seem to be reacting as though this was a fundamental threat to them is confusing.

Were just having fun man, you all take this to serious the fact that you air everything publicly is why this is fun for us.

[stratagos]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 01:18 PM, said:

Were just having fun man, you all take this to serious the fact that you air everything publicly is why this is fun for us.

Oh, I'm not a member of a unit. I have my own opinions on what is 'best' but for the most part I find that the forum warriors need to get a grip

[Vandril]

Faith McCarron, on 08 February 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

The apocalypse is here, I have agreed with and liked a Mischief post...

I know right!??

[hybrid black]

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

MS just moves to put their tags on planets, it's the only way for them to keep score, and I respect that.

i still don't get why you people think we care about planets, do you need us saying how many we have? the random planet we have fun with for its name and get attacked to a planet that way but really we don't give a rats ass about planets, we only care for cbills and unless planets start giving us cash we don't care.

stratagos, on 08 February 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

Oh, I'm not a member of a unit. I have my own opinions on what is 'best' but for the most part I find that the forum warriors need to get a grip

haha its just in fun, we don't need 12 players to beat pugs so a lot of us play other games in drops or come on here to have a little fun.

Faith McCarron, on 08 February 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

Do you, by chance, have a mustache that you twirl while saying things like that? What does that mean?

I have a beard that is trimmed to shot so does a chin rub work?

[Dauphni]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

we don't give a rats ass about planets

Hey now! As a member of the Desert Rats, I take offense to that statement! Rat's asses are something to be treasured!

[Roadbeer]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

i still don't get why you people think we care about planets, do you need us saying how many we have? the random planet we have fun with for its name and get attacked to a planet that way but really we don't give a rats ass about planets, we only care for cbills and unless planets start giving us cash we don't care.

Cbills?
The only thing less meaningful than having a tag on a planet. If you had said LP, then you may have had a point, because at least w/ LP, you get mechbays, etc.

Cbills? I have over a half-billion of those. If they weren't on fiberplast chips, I'd be wiping my ass with them.

Edited by Roadbeer, 08 February 2015 - 01:25 PM.

[Xavier]

Valar13, on 08 February 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

Make valid parallels, then.

I did those nations you spoke of united under the allies collective. and no I am not referring to murica won the war. But inevitably because they were still seperate entities they fought over "glory" that's what happens when individuality is promoted in an alliance. I would live to see how your model works once planet ownership matters. Then this construct you have built I feel will suffer a very adverse reaction.

[MischiefSC]

hybrid black, on 08 February 2015 - 12:40 PM, said:

You are so out of the loop is kind of sad and i fell bad for you hahahahahahahaha.

Okay, so you don't really have a response because your position is based on your personal opinion and actively avoiding the facts pointing out you being wrong, so you go for an undefined ad hominem, a cute gif and actually typing out "hahahahaha".

I admit though. When you are so wrong that Faith Cameron agrees with me you have at least accomplished something special.

[Faith McCarron]

MischiefSC, on 08 February 2015 - 01:38 PM, said:

I admit though. When you are so wrong that Faith Cameron agrees with me you have at least accomplished something special.

He has a point, even if he got my name wrong. Game. Set. Match.

[Xavier]

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

And that is cumbersome, a trait not desirable in an organization that moves around a lot.

The way Marik is structured, while we all are fighting in the interest of Marik, we have the agility that if it's in our interest to assist the FRR, a unit can step forward, lets say Desert Rats for example and say "We'd like to go help the FRR'. So they break contract with Marik, any Marik members who wish to join them, join the DRs and off they go to the FRR as an expeditionary force.

MS just moves to put their tags on planets, it's the only way for them to keep score, and I respect that.

But this often runs contrary to the goals of the faction they're joining, at which point MS "does what it wants".

Ergo, the reputation.

Again, I have much respect for MS, and have had a good relationship with Tony since the first Marik Civil War. So, I would caution the members of MS and Marik to dial back their shitposting a little bit as it causes strain among the "fighters" of the factions that the "Diplomats" have to clean up.

While I respect your opinion and understand that is most peoples point of view of what they think MS is about it could not be farther from the truth.maybe in the beginning it was a little about what you said and even now do we take pride in owning planets...I would be lying if I said we didn't because it provides justification for us of the sacrifice that each unit made to form this effective alliance.

However now this is more about enjoying the many types of CW gameplay IS vs IS, Clan vs Clan, and IS vs Clan. This type of play offers variety and MS is looking for varietal gameplay. Please remember the fact that even amongst the clans we are not liked either because we "stir the pot".

Yes we have spent a lot of our time in ghost bear but that's mainly because they offer us the most fights. All we want are good fights (lots of them) and have enjoyed many a good fight against many groups out there.

Regardless of what you may think about us the truth is we just want to fight and experience planetary in all the different ways that it can be experienced. And if we happen to be good at it than that's just a sidebar note.

[Valar13]

Xavier, on 08 February 2015 - 01:32 PM, said:

I did those nations you spoke of united under the allies collective. and no I am not referring to murica won the war. But inevitably because they were still seperate entities they fought over "glory" that's what happens when individuality is promoted in an alliance. I would live to see how your model works once planet ownership matters. Then this construct you have built I feel will suffer a very adverse reaction.

When that is the case, we will adapt. There's already an outreach effort in the works from SL reps to discuss more robust options for IS houses that don't share a clan border.

[bobF]

It's useless for us to try and explain. Everyone is trying to play against the established game mechanics and point of the game (i.e. that everyone is a merc and flipping sides is what is SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN), and the Star League is just the current iteration of blind Clan hate.

Everyone can compare epeens on which unit has the greater history or more egalitarian member policies, I really don't care. All I know is that MS welcomed me as a pilot without preconceptions, without prejudice, and above all, without some overarching and bloated player-generated bureaucracy. MS is here to PLAY VIDEO GAMES, and we are doing it right as evidenced by our successes in battle, the cohesion of the players in TS, and the foresight of the leadership to play the game as it's obviously meant to be played.

It's becoming more evident that the MS snub (which for the record, WE WERE ejected from the conference, whether you want to play semantics or not. Summarily booting someone from the channel or politely explaining that no one likes them and they should really gtfo, but can remain if they want, has the same functional outcome) is really about unit rivalry and factional political clout, and not some RP effort to save humanity, which is a shame. Roadbeer is going on about diplomacy but it is YOU GUYS that need to choose words carefully; it is YOU that loses more by antagonizing a unit that not only has great numbers, but a great majority of competent to high-end competitive players. It's one thing to be a part of some zerg unit just filled with bodies, but quite another to have both the numbers AND skill. Think about it.

People have also conveniently ignored the realities that the MS posters in this thread have tried to convey. You aren't going to stop the PvP, and making up a player bureaucracy that tells players whom they're allowed to attack, while the attack lanes themselves remain open, is never going to function. When I made my post regarding the devolution of Inner Sphere space into Complete Warfare, and that it was glorious, was a sincere post. Everyone is fighting right now, having fun in the way they have fun. A star league puts too many parameters on that, and narrows the options for players opting in to such a bad idea, as can be seen from detractors and opponents (who are not members of MS if anyone noticed).

Not lost on any astute observer is also the snubbing of Steiner. Really, you guys are going to have a star league without one of the great houses, as they seek to deal with several invaders at the same time, an effort you label as treason? Really? Because a group of players that wish to keep their imagined sovereign territory intact against another faction taking advantage of the situation by playing the victim (FRR)? This thing is so full of holes, only because everyone advocating this Star League refuses to accept the game mechanics as they stand today.

When PGI implements more in-game management tools, social tools, and other things related to player organization, all we have are queues and attack lanes. You people should really just save yourselves the stress and welcome opportunities to PvP, rather than create imagined enemies to satisfy your collective RP bohners.

Edited by bobF, 08 February 2015 - 01:58 PM.