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[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 February 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

40 Hours? This is not a job, it's entertainment.

Sorry this grind is bad. If I didn't already have most of my top mechs and modules I would probably not play much if at all. Thing is I get pretty bored meeting the same old players again and again and want to see new players. With voip it will be fun teaching and helping them. Going to get pretty frustrating when new players keep quitting because of the grind. It will affect PGIs bottom line once they reach the death cross due to lack of fresh blood. All businesses do over time. New players need to be excited about the game to spend real money. If you continue to frustrate them during the climb they won't spend cash in the end.

40 Hours into a game is nothing. I have 179 hours logged in on Dragon Age. Yes that is 4 toons, but 40 hours in a game is a joke. If you feel you are working you are playing the game wrong.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 04:21 AM, said:

I cannot help it if the expectations of the rest of the players is ridiculous.

I have a sweet looking Axe in Dragon Age... Well there is one in the shop. It's 124,000 gold. You have to be 18th level to use it. I'm 16th lvl, I hardly buy anything (crafting for the win) I have 23K gold.

If I was like you folk, I'd be pissed off cause I can't buy the axe!

And If I think the pay is fine where it is I will keep saying so. Is that a problem for you?

Oh of course you can say what you think, but let's not pretend there's not a wide discontent with the meagre CBill payouts in MWO. Because there most certainly is, since it's one of the most debated things nowadays.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 07 February 2015 - 04:27 AM, said:

Oh of course you can say what you think, but let's not pretend there's not a wide discontent with the meagre CBill payouts in MWO. Because there most certainly is, since it's one of the most debated things nowadays.

Then jus say what you think. I will continue to say what I think, and lets be about our business. When I make crap C-bills it normally means I did not work well with others. and tried to face hump my enemy. You don't get a lot of money for face to face brawling. My favored way to fight by the way. But just by being a bit more mobile and Staying with my Lance, I make a 30k+ per match... And I am an average at best player. So if I can make more money Brawling than before, what am I doing right and you wrong?

The measure of a good player is the ability to adapt to change. You are not adapting well.

[Mudhutwarrior]

It's pretty normal in and internet forum to have a clan of people who constantly defend the indefensible.

People who truly get off on the frustrations of others. Its a form of psychopathy in the context of a mob. Most cruelty comes from the mob in society. We condemn the soul aberrations while participating in the mob ones because a crowd is a personal defense against conscience.

Edited by Mudhutwarrior, 07 February 2015 - 04:33 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 February 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

It's pretty normal in and internet forum to have a clan of people who constantly defend the indefensible.

People who truly get off on the frustrations of others. Its a form of psychopathy in the context of a mob. Most cruelty comes from the mob in society. We condemn the soul aberrations while participating in the mob ones because a crowd is a personal defense against conscience.

Here's teh thing Mud. I will disagree with whatever disagree with. I won't be silenced cause everyone else thinks differently than I do. People can try to shame me, but I really don't shame easily. People can try to shout me down, but if I feel I am right I will get just as loud as those shouting.

You have your Two topics you do not budge on. I have a few of my own. In that we are alike. Even if we don't agree completely on one of those topics of yours.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

Then jus say what you think. I will continue to say what I think, and lets be about our business. When I make crap C-bills it normally means I did not work well with others. and tried to face hump my enemy. You don't get a lot of money for face to face brawling. My favored way to fight by the way. But just by being a bit more mobile and Staying with my Lance, I make a 30k+ per match... And I am an average at best player. So if I can make more money Brawling than before, what am I doing right and you wrong?

The measure of a good player is the ability to adapt to change. You are not adapting well.

You can seriously stop preaching how to play this game. I have a few thousand matches under the belt so I don't really need you running down the basics for me. It's funny how you think we should adapt our style of playing to the rewards, when in reality it's the rewards that should be good if you play well to win the match.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 07 February 2015 - 04:40 AM, said:

You can seriously stop preaching how to play this game. I have a few thousand matches under the belt so I don't really need you running down the basics for me. It's funny how you think we should adapt our style of playing to the rewards, when in reality it's the rewards that should be good if you play well to win the match.

Thats just it. They DO pay well if you do well in the match.

[MonochromeGoat]

Hope all of you defending the current economy have fun when his game ends like the many others.
Have you heard anything about Tribes Ascend recently?It was a great game and it got a lot attention (much more than mwo probably gets) a few years ago, so the developers got cocky.In 2013 you had to grind 30-50 hours to get one single gun.You want to know how well it is doing right now?It barely gets 70 daily players.

I really can't wrap my head around as to why this people think it's okay to have to grind for 40 hours to get one decently equiped mech.
One

Don't even try to argue with me here.I'm playing this game to entertain myself.Being stuck in the mud with a trash can of a mech for such a long time, just to figure out after you made something out of it that you don't like it sucks.To get another mech and make it decent adds up to ~100 hours in total, while you are stuck, again, with a mech that you hate.That's not okay.

Edited by MonochromeGoat, 07 February 2015 - 05:04 AM.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 04:53 AM, said:

Thats just it. They DO pay well if you do well in the match.

No they don't at all, you can get 4 kills, 5 assists and do about 800 damage, which basically makes you a one-man lance and get 160-170K which is a joke. If you did that well back in 8 vs 8 you'd get 250K easy. The current payouts are just bad.

[Joseph Mallan]

Torgun, on 07 February 2015 - 05:01 AM, said:

No they don't at all, you can get 4 kills, 5 assists and do about 800 damage, which basically makes you a one-man lance and get 160-170K which is a joke. If you did that well back in 8 vs 8 you'd get 250K easy. The current payouts are just bad.

And you can do this too.

2 less kills and 2 more assists 140 less damage... As a PUG brawler. Did this 2 weeks ago.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 February 2015 - 05:05 AM.

[Torgun]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:

And you can do this too.

2 less kills and 2 more assists 140 less damage... As a PUG brawler. Did this 2 weeks ago.

Is it with a mech with CBill bonus? Because that would explain it. And also you did manage to farm spot assist pretty well, which is totally random reward in Pug as there might be no one with lrms in the match.

Edited by Torgun, 07 February 2015 - 05:11 AM.

[Furious Zen Master]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:

And you can do this too.

2 less kills and 2 more assists 140 less damage... As a PUG brawler. Did this 2 weeks ago.

You did this 2 weeks ago and you had to take a screenshot of it because it was so out of the ordinary.
That's the point.
We should be screenshooting 500k matches instead.

[Joseph Mallan]

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

You did this 2 weeks ago and you had to take a screenshot of it because it was so out of the ordinary.
That's the point.
We should be screenshooting 500k matches instead.

With as often as I die in game... Yes. Yes it is. You might wanna screen shot that. I may just have to quit if I earn that much in a match.

But that is also my Point. To little for some is not to little for all.

And the point of my Pict was showing the effort I quoted can yield more than 160K I quoted. I average 86K a match, and I am fine with that kind of income. PGI needs to hear that just as much as it needs to hear you think you deserve more. It gives them a better perspective.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 February 2015 - 05:17 AM.

[That Dawg]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 04:21 AM, said:

I cannot help it if the expectations of the rest of the players is ridiculous.



And If I think the pay is fine where it is I will keep saying so. Is that a problem for you?

"the rest of the players"

You don't realize you are rather alone in your thinking?

Its quite alright you think the "pay is fine". Not so much you think its perfect, and demand we agree with you.

Too many do not, OR these threads wouldn't pop up time and time again.
Its not the rare person whining about it, now is it? Many first time posters have been here a couple of years, have a few hundred posts, a few thousand battles under their belt and suddenly....they think its not enough?
Our arguments FOR are concerns over new player base, our own dwindling interest in the game as well.

I hope you're not the last guy in the forums posting to yourself about how great it is.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I guess he doesn't understand consistent.

[That Dawg]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 05:04 AM, said:

And you can do this too.

2 less kills and 2 more assists 140 less damage... As a PUG brawler. Did this 2 weeks ago.

Yay! for you...
You do that all the time? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month?
I get battles like that about once every night! I do not run premium either.
I do that good once or sometimes twice a night because I now exploit how the game pays.
I'll chip off arms, take long shots when I should be killing outright, and not taking pot shots to reveal my position.
A one armed, one legged mech can still do damage to my team.

MY concern is still for players who do not play as well as I do.
Who are on the border about dumping the game, or keeping it.
My real green$ I put in the game, what little time I can spare on the forums and in game are at a premium.
I would like to come back when I take a break for weeks on end and find a thriving, active community, and growing game.
LIKE world of tanks. PGI would do a world of good modeling the game after WOT.
Been there for three years and every time I go back, somethings going on, bigger maps, more players, more tanks, more and more....

[Joseph Mallan]

That Dawg, on 07 February 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

"the rest of the players"

You don't realize you are rather alone in your thinking?

I am not worried that I am. That is the problem you are having.

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 February 2015 - 05:14 AM, said:

I guess he doesn't understand consistent.

Consistent is the 90-120K I earn since teh change to income, Which is consistently 20-40K more than i used to earn. I was fine making less than I do now, Why would I be less happy making more?

[That Dawg]

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:09 AM, said:

You did this 2 weeks ago and you had to take a screenshot of it because it was so out of the ordinary.
That's the point.
We should be screenshooting 500k matches instead.

Even with 500K matches...and I've never pugged a 500, 400K was my best in two years... that is a long long time to get a fully kitted assault, or one of the more popular clan mechs.


The business model is one of encouraging players to spend real money. Sort of like the fallacy of tax the rich so the middle class do well, when the BEST approach is to have a such a large tax..or player base...the skimmings from the many are greater than the burden on the few.
101 Keynesian

[Joseph Mallan]

That Dawg, on 07 February 2015 - 05:20 AM, said:

Yay! for you...
You do that all the time? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month?
I get battles like that about once every night! I do not run premium either.
I do that good once or sometimes twice a night because I now exploit how the game pays.
I'll chip off arms, take long shots when I should be killing outright, and not taking pot shots to reveal my position.
A one armed, one legged mech can still do damage to my team.

MY concern is still for players who do not play as well as I do.
Who are on the border about dumping the game, or keeping it.
My real green$ I put in the game, what little time I can spare on the forums and in game are at a premium.
I would like to come back when I take a break for weeks on end and find a thriving, active community, and growing game.
LIKE world of tanks. PGI would do a world of good modeling the game after WOT.
Been there for three years and every time I go back, somethings going on, bigger maps, more players, more tanks, more and more....

I average 84K a game. AVERAGE 1/3 that one game and I am fine with my average. I am the player you say you are arguing for, and I am still saying my income is enough. I don't play as good as you do. I am happy with my income in game.

[That Dawg]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 February 2015 - 05:20 AM, said:

HEY! Good luck!