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[Samurai Hanse Davion]

Sorrowcry, on 11 February 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

I want to say nothing to unit of clowns. But how many for the ticket on your show? I want to see how you jokes while clanners a rekted you.

Sorry But Your Clay Is Currently Under Strict Clowning Sanctions.

[Reitmeier]

Luthien back in our space!
Good job everyone

[SteelWarrior]

Sorrowcry, on 10 February 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

But 12 3erppcs thunders against 12 4cerlls timbers - the winner is 12 tdrs. I hope you know why
If not - look at placement of hardpoints on tdr. And quirks.

Id love to know what scrubs your facing who bring 12 tdr-9's. Its 10 tdr and 2 ecm spiders, duhhh.

Ps: the 9 with er ppcs are old school meta-bolting. Its all about the 5ss with er ll now...

[PerfectDuck]

Reitmeier, on 11 February 2015 - 02:11 PM, said:

Luthien back in our space!
Good job everyone

Here, here! This is historic! We've pulled the system out from the jaguar clutch. Oh they were quite fond of rubbing it in our faces, and now their losses are what we can rub in theirs. An Inner Sphere house that truly launched a successful counter-attack versus the clans! It took mercenary involvement to pull it off but that's what got us here to begin with.

[Kai Lae]

PerfectDuck, on 10 February 2015 - 09:26 AM, said:

I know this is off-topic and we should be celebrating, but I'd like to humor those interested. This is a graph I made about a month after quirks release. Night's Scorn has been aware of this for quite a while.



What is this graph representing? It is heat-to-damage conversion. A weapon that does 2 damage for the cost of 1 heat is said to have 2.00 heat-to-damage ratio, the same ratio it would have if it did 20 damage for 10 heat. Energy weapons typically are much lower in this stat than ballistics.

How are clans showing less damage than IS? An energy-based timber wolf seldom has fewer than 25 double heat sinks while the Inner Sphere runs out of critical slots well before that. Their weapons may not necessarily be as efficient but they can fire them often.

Why does the green line dip down faster than the others? The Battlemaster ERLL boat (or most any IS mech chosen to use ERLL) has a quirk which extends its range. This quirk does NOT extend falloff distance, so the two numbers are closer together thus a steeper drop.

Wondering where on this graph a 9m awesome with range module falls. At extreme ranges it will be better than the thunderbolt.

[Killaxis]

Help on TUKAYYID please

[hopterque]

Kai Lae, on 11 February 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

Wondering where on this graph a 9m awesome with range module falls. At extreme ranges it will be better than the thunderbolt.

It fits in the trash can because it's garbage.

[PerfectDuck]

Kai Lae, on 11 February 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

Wondering where on this graph a 9m awesome with range module falls. At extreme ranges it will be better than the thunderbolt.

It's a common misconception when players discuss quirks. They think 'range' applies to falloff distance as well but it doesn't. No quirk currently in-game affects maximum falloff distance the way that modules do. Weapon default stats always give maximum falloff distance an amount of double the optimal range (with exceptions), and modules maintain this doubling tendency, but quirks do not.

Remember, this graph is showing how heat is spent in order to deal damage. This statistic multiplied by a 'mech's heat-per-second dissipation equals the total maximum potential damage that the mech could do in a game or over time. At those extreme ranges, yes the individual shots from the Awesome are hitting for more damage but the TDR spends less heat per shot and shoots more often so their damage potentials even out.

Edited by PerfectDuck, 12 February 2015 - 12:39 AM.

[Chef Kerensky]

That's not even taking into account the fact that the Awesome is 15 tons heavier, much slower, and suffers from terrible hitboxes and even worse hardpoints when compared to the thunderbolt's beautiful arm shielding potential and three high energy hardpoints, including two at eye level. It's not even a contest.

Edited by ChefGerstmann, 12 February 2015 - 01:34 AM.

[PerfectDuck]

Guys I've been proven wrong with regard to mech quirks' effect on range. It turns out that we were studying the ERLL weapon in particular, and its results (which are BUGGED!) were throwing us off, and we made false assumptions based off of studying ERLL in particular. We thought that its maximum falloff range was 1485 for every mech, range quirk or not (1350 plus 1.1x from module) when it in fact seems that its max range is closer to 1499 due to some kind of bug.

http://mwomercs.com/...erll-range-bug/

Edited by PerfectDuck, 12 February 2015 - 12:05 PM.

[Revis Volek]

SteelWarrior, on 11 February 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

Id love to know what scrubs your facing who bring 12 tdr-9's. Its 10 tdr and 2 ecm spiders, duhhh.

Ps: the 9 with er ppcs are old school meta-bolting. Its all about the 5ss with er ll now...

CI ran 12 TDR's at us quite a few times, I wouldn't exactly call them scrubs.

[Lord Ikka]

DarthRevis, on 12 February 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

CI ran 12 TDR's at us quite a few times, I wouldn't exactly call them scrubs.

Once again, I believe that cloning makes clanners unable to process humor....

[Chef Kerensky]

Lord Ikka, on 12 February 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

Once again, I believe that cloning makes clanners unable to process humor....

[In the voice of a gorilla grown from a beaker] I don't get it.

[SteelWarrior]

DarthRevis, on 12 February 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

CI ran 12 TDR's at us quite a few times, I wouldn't exactly call them scrubs.

You wouldn't, but i will

2 ECMs or [redacted] when facing clans and their lrm spam

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 19 February 2015 - 05:44 PM.
Language

[Mcgral18]

SteelWarrior, on 12 February 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

You wouldn't, but i will

2 ECMs or [redacted] when facing clans and their lrm spam

People use LRMs?

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 19 February 2015 - 05:44 PM.
Language in quote

[hopterque]

Mcgral18, on 12 February 2015 - 08:33 PM, said:

People use LRMs?

It is a bit of a stretch to refer to Clanners as "People", you're correct.

[SteelWarrior]

Another day without a lost planet. The Dragon gains steadily