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[PurpleNinja]

Hunting the last ECM spider/raven/locust is in the job description of the red team, the blue team have no reason to make it easier.

[Water Bear]

Lucian Nostra, on 09 February 2015 - 09:17 AM, said:

Goes both ways Bishop, there's games that are winnable by the last mech standing (4 enemies remaining are roasted) and there are games that your not gonna win 3 fresh a few beat up.

As for dropping another match.. dunno never been in a scenario where your trying to grind out that ONE mech? It gets frustrating waiting for it to unlock at times. I myself don't complain, I usually alt tab and browse the web but still it's annoying to see that 1 light rushing around when he has no chance.

Exactly.

There's a time for "not letting other people get you down", and that's when other people criticize you for no reason.

Sometimes, haters gonna make some good points.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Ghogiel: "not sure you can say that the last mech running to hide in the base anything but refusing to engage when it's 11-3. (OPs words) "

Nope. I said he ran to his base to make a last stand there.

[Ghogiel]

Bulletsponge0, on 09 February 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

That's why matches have a timer, when you drop, always expect it to last the full 15 (or 30 as in CW) minutes. If it lasts less time than that, consider it a bonus and be happy, if it takes the full time, well, you expected that so there is no reason to rage.


Edit for double quote

I do. I wouldn't care either but there is a thing called ToS. And running and hiding in base and not actively engaging is against that. I didn't make the rules :shrug:

[Ratpoison]

Ghogiel, on 09 February 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

I do. I wouldn't care either but there is a thing called ToS. And running and hiding in base and not actively engaging is against that. I didn't make the rules :shrug:

Wrong, survival is a core gameplay mechanic, you can't just twist the rules to mean what you want when you're feeling impatient. Try living longer for once if it's such a problem.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 February 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Ghogiel: "It's to drink the tears of all the QQ on the forum from the likes of the OP."

I seem to have touched a nerve. Did I hurt your self-esteem?

So much so that I ran to the forums to open a QQ thread.. oh wait no I didn't, that was you.

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"Because DCing while still alive is griefing and againt the ToS duh"

Who said anything about DCing? You want the lone pilot to give up when the game is "over" at 11-1, why won't you when its 8-4? Everyone "knows" its over, so by your own logic you are just being selfish by prolonging the match....

You also never explained why you can't just move on to a new match instead of whining about the wait. Why again? Just to see your scores? You're going to grief some guy just so you can get your accomplishment-porn 5 mins faster? What a loser.

pretty much everyones "advice" is to DC. I did explain why I can't move to another game> it's against the ToS to grief you team by Dcing.

[Bulletsponge0]

Ghogiel, on 09 February 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

I do. I wouldn't care either but there is a thing called ToS. And running and hiding in base and not actively engaging is against that. I didn't make the rules :shrug:

if you've never engaged, then it is a violation of ToS, if you have fought at any time in the drop, then it isn't a violation of the ToS

Ghogiel, on 09 February 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

So much so that I ran to the forums to open a QQ thread.. oh wait no I didn't, that was you.



pretty much everyones "advice" is to DC. I did explain why I can't move to another game> it's against the ToS to grief you team by Dcing.

its not against ToS to DC after you've died...thats the advice people are giving.

[mogs01gt]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 February 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm seeing more and more of this in PUGs. I'm new, so my elo is likely keeping me grouped with new players, and here's the thing:Your team is up 11-3 and the last guy standing is in light, he beelines for his base to mount a last stand. Futile? Yes. Waste of time? Yours but maybe not his - he may learn something.But the amount of invective I see thrown at these players gets ridiculous. You want to move on to the next match, so do I. In fact, I usually do a suicide run in those instances, just to move things along. And yes, I get that you "know" the game is over, but he gets to play too. And as long as he isn't hiding or refusing to engage, its not your place to tell him how to pilot his mech If it bothers you so much, go cap his base.Just because you are caught up grinding doesn't mean he has to be too. Some of us prefer to play the game, not work it.
So lighten up. Francis

This issue is when they run off and power down somewhere. It's not an issue when they run back to their base. Since Im forced to play with that player do to not having a feature to remove him from my available match maker pool, that play needs reported.

Sadly PGI loves trolls and wont create a in-game report utility. That should have been created on the first day.

Edited by mogs01gt, 09 February 2015 - 01:48 PM.

[Mystere]

Water Bear, on 09 February 2015 - 08:48 AM, said:

The reason it's irritating is that when 1 person is left alive and he's making the game last forever, he's "playing his game" at the expense of as few as 11 other people (the dead people on his team) and as many as 23 other people (the 12 people on the other team too if they really don't want to go on an easter-mech-hunt).

Derp.

Everyone signs up for a potentially 15-minute match. Deal with it, especially because you died first, great skill and all. Otherwise, quit the match if you can't.

Besides, the mods have already stated their position on it. But I am not doing your homework for you.

mogs01gt, on 09 February 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

This issue is when they run off and power down somewhere ...

See my last sentence.

Edited by Mystere, 09 February 2015 - 01:50 PM.

[mogs01gt]

Mystere, on 09 February 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

See my last sentence.

k, did now what?

[Ghogiel]

Bulletsponge0, on 09 February 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

if you've never engaged, then it is a violation of ToS, if you have fought at any time in the drop, then it isn't a violation of the ToS


its not against ToS to DC after you've died...thats the advice people are giving.

Actually running off and hiding even if they had previously engaged to waste down the clock when it's 11-3 is a violation.

[Bulletsponge0]

Ghogiel, on 09 February 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Actually running off and hiding even if they had previously engaged to waste down the clock when it's 11-3 is a violation.

You sure about that? Pretty sure I've seen the opposite to be stated to be true

[Ghogiel]

Bulletsponge0, on 09 February 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

You sure about that? Pretty sure I've seen the opposite to be stated to be true

Yeah. You can't just take a SDR with ER and tage an bunch of mechs then power down. You have to be actively engaging.

edit: the one caveat to that is on conquest and they are trying to win on caps.

Edited by Ghogiel, 09 February 2015 - 02:13 PM.

[Quxudica]

Fenrisulvyn, on 09 February 2015 - 07:35 AM, said:

I'm seeing more and more of this in PUGs. I'm new, so my elo is likely keeping me grouped with new players, and here's the thing:

Your team is up 11-3 and the last guy standing is in light, he beelines for his base to mount a last stand. Futile? Yes. Waste of time? Yours but maybe not his - he may learn something.

But the amount of invective I see thrown at these players gets ridiculous. You want to move on to the next match, so do I. In fact, I usually do a suicide run in those instances, just to move things along. And yes, I get that you "know" the game is over, but he gets to play too. And as long as he isn't hiding or refusing to engage, its not your place to tell him how to pilot his mech. If it bothers you so much, go cap his base.

Just because you are caught up grinding doesn't mean he has to be too. Some of us prefer to play the game, not work it.

So lighten up. Francis

Nothing wrong with making a last stand. I've put ins ome pretty great showings doing that and you might even pull it off. I dropped my ac/5 JM6 back to base in Tourmaline once and manged to drop the remaining four mechs as they waddled up the hill one at a time. Go out with a bang if you can, never know what will happen. However, what I do mind a great deal are people that shutdown and try to hide solely to preserve their k/d, a meaningless stat that has zero effect on anything. I've said before that, to me, these people are the same kind that refuse to shake the other teams hand at the end of a sports match, petty and spiteful.

Personally I think the mech lockout system should be removed entirely, it serves no purpose. If mechs weren't locked out for a game I wouldn't care if the last guy in a 12v1 spent 12 minutes playing hide and seek in TDM. But that silly system is there and as such arbitrarily dragging out a match is nothing but immature. Sure it's not my game, it's not your game either, it is a team game and some people have limited play time. Be considerate of other people and the community as a whole will benefit.

[Brimbooze]

The only time I have an issue is when the last person is DC'd/powered down. If the person is still actively playing the game then I sit and watch and try to help my team win the game (no matter which side I'm on).

I do think that if you power down for greater then, say 3-5 minutes you should automatically be booted from the match and have your location marked on the map. Maybe even prevent you from earning any rewards for the match. The only reason to be powered down that long is to drag out a match, and if you're the last one left on your team then it only serves to boost your kill/death ratio.

If you're going to juts afk in a game then afk while powered on or DC, don't hide, power down and then afk so no one can find you.

[Ghogiel]

Just to follow on from my last post about running to hide at the base I shall quote from the ToS>

"Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense"."

Some how I don't think running back to the base when it's 11-3 is a form of tactical "base defense."
Certainly running away/not fighting/powering down/ somewhere in skirmish isn't acceptable.

Edited by Ghogiel, 09 February 2015 - 02:44 PM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Mystere, on 09 February 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Everyone signs up for a potentially 15-minute match. Deal with it, especially because you died first, great skill and all. Otherwise, quit the match if you can't.

Besides, the mods have already stated their position on it. But I am not doing your homework for you.

See my last sentence.

I'll help, they aren't hard to find: griefing
You can't fail to actively participate, you cannot give your allies position away, and you cannot quit out of game early (mech suicide).

Which means, if one mechs is hiding and wasting time, they can report anyone who called out their position, and anyone who quit the match early. While everyone else (potentially 23 other people) can report the non-participation; and let it all shake out in the court of support.

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Mech Suicide Abuse
Some players have been repeatedly finding ways to destroy their ‘Mechs as quickly as possible.
This behaviour denies an otherwise healthy team of an active member, and makes the battle imbalanced. As such, this is prohibited and includes instances of players intentionally and repeatedly running out of bounds, or into the enemy team without tactical intent, or any other way in which a player has found to be self-destructing their `Mech.

Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 09 February 2015 - 02:53 PM.

[Mystere]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 09 February 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

I'll help, they aren't hard to find: griefing

Try harder. That is not the moderator statements I was referring to. They gave explicit samples.

[Darlith]

I don't mind hanging around to watch that one guy try to fight, sometimes I even learn a few things by watching a particularly impressive light pilot, or powermad heavy that somehow didn't get ripped up with the rest of us.

I do get bored if the last guy doesn't even seem intent on fighting and just runs around in circles for 6 minutes. Then if I am truely bored I will DC and go off to do other things, or watch just to see some new places to run.

Don't mind if that last light runs to base to use the turrets, that's smart play. Or goes to cap a base even though he can't take it in hopes of getting the enemy to send out its fast runners to be picked off. Though I groan when my team is 3 beat up mechs and goes to the base to hunt that one light, seen too many "wins" turned into "losses" that way.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Mystere, on 09 February 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Try harder. That is not the moderator statements I was referring to. They gave explicit samples.

While it wouldn't surprise me to find that PGI Support fails to follow its own TOS and COC, I don't have time to track down what a forum moderator posts, especially if they are not part of the support/discipline team.

If you remember which moderator it is, you should suggest to them that they append their the Rules and Terms are posted (and stickied) I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to find or abide by any rules that are not clearly posted in the TOS, COC, or EULA.

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 09 February 2015 - 03:08 PM.