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[Thundercles]

Isn't there a rule out there regarding either copyright or trademark (honestly not sure which, or if it even applies) that says if it can be demonstrated you aren't actively defending it from all infringement, then you can't defend it from ANY infringement? Like, you can't pick and choose who you call out on it - a violation is a violation, and failure to take the violator to task is a forfeiture of the rights. Probably doesn't apply here, honestly, but maybe someone with more info could weigh in?

[Sidra]

You know I hope marvel gets sued, just cause my hate for them after what they did to deadpool in the Wolverine movie ( GOD ****** THAT IS NOT THE REAL DEADPOOL!)

[Gwenaelle Focht]

Who owns Harmony Gold at present and how high is the estimated company value (according to the stock market)?

Maybe, if MWO becomes as successful as we all want it to be, PGIGP can collect money from all the users here to buy Harmony Gold (and the rights for the Unseen) and then implement a lot of the glorious mech designs that matter to the community (all we need to do is grow to the size of WoW in terms of users and then the taking over of Harmony Gold should be a piece of cake ).

[Novakaine]

Nobody mess with Marvel and er.....Disney sucka's

[Jiri Starrider]

Adridos, on 28 November 2011 - 06:23 AM, said:

I don't know why did Harmony gold attack FASA in the first place. Almost every single thing in this world is copyied and nobody cares. And if they wanted to show it's theirs, OK, I would be upset too, but arguing even after the original thief has bankcrupted (I don't know this word right, so please forgive me for this) is a bit .... strange.

Harmony Gold, left to it's own devices probably wouldn't have, it was a big toy company that stirred up the mess who's name I can't remember. Fasa had the image rights from the Studio, but one greedy company and one ***** judge later and blech. I can't remember the links, plenty of topics here and on the intertubes with the details I am probably messing up.

[TheHeater]

Frank Agrama say "That's OUR nazi mech design!!"

[Jiri Starrider]

LakeDaemon, on 28 November 2011 - 09:04 AM, said:

It makes sense only in context with a weak story. Seriously, BT Mechs? They could have made their mechs look like anything (e.g. futuristic panzerized mech) and would have been MORE in context and in story line. This is pure rip off to the point where it takes away from the storyline. Anyway, I will never dismiss the context of a swastika. It only has one context and doesnt need to be glorifed in any way.

It has plenty of context, just the Nazi's perverted it to western eye's. Fylfots abound in various cultures, but the damage the Nazi's did to it will take a long long time to heal.

And ya,

or even put a Stahlhelm on a humanoid mech, Ta Da


But that Quickhammer is just lazy. Marvel should can the artist for a.) potentially putting them at risk and b.) for being lazy.

Now this though, this is cool.

Edited by Jiri Starrider, 17 July 2012 - 02:53 PM.

[Jiri Starrider]

Sidra, on 17 July 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

You know I hope marvel gets sued, just cause my hate for them after what they did to deadpool in the Wolverine movie ( GOD ****** THAT IS NOT THE REAL DEADPOOL!)

Ditto! I don't even read comics and knew enough about him to go WTFO?

[Xiomburg]

If only Marvel understood what true power was...

[Threat Doc]

tyrone dunkirk, on 17 July 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

I actually followed that particular story arc and was surprised to see that, initially ( or possibly in another series as this plot arc spanned many different marvel series' ) that they actually used the full, un-altered Whammy/Tomahawk. HG is apparently composed of blind men and deafs in every regard except when it comes to watching news of BT/MW to see if we try to use the unseen, because they should've been on this.

Reversley, it could mean they dont care that much about the unseen anymore...
And, well, you know what that means!

Harmony Gold wasn't going to do anything against FASA; they had already agreed everything was cool. However, then HG made a deal with Colico to make the toys for Robotech. Then, FASA opened their pie-holes and called Colico on it, and then HG and Colico took it to FASA. Now, the developers here have already explained that Harmony Gold, Tatsunoko, Agrama, and anyone else that WAS involved with that lawsuit is not why there's a holdup on announcing the Unseen's or introducing Iglesias-version Reseens, and in the FAQ for MWO they've already explained an announcement about the Unseens is forthcoming.

[Gendo]

Adridos, on 28 November 2011 - 06:23 AM, said:

I don't know why did Harmony gold attack FASA in the first place. Almost every single thing in this world is copyied and nobody cares. And if they wanted to show it's theirs, OK, I would be upset too, but arguing even after the original thief has bankcrupted (I don't know this word right, so please forgive me for this) is a bit .... strange.

easy: if you hold a copyright and know a misuse you are forced by law to defend it agressive (in court). or lose it

[Gendo]

LakeDaemon, on 28 November 2011 - 07:34 AM, said:

More than anything, Im offended by the swastika on the front of a recognizable iconic BT Mech. Yeah offended is the word....

then you simply dont get the joke:
an educated mind should know that the swastika is a ancient indic symbol of PEACE!
i never understand why people associate a millenia old peace symbol with a bunch of stupid gangsters ruling over germany for not even 20 jears - just because they found this joke funny too.
with the same argument we could start banning crosses...

[Sidra]

Gendo, on 17 July 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

then you simply dont get the joke:
an educated mind should know that the swastika is a ancient indic symbol of PEACE!
i never understand why people associate a millenia old peace symbol with a bunch of stupid gangsters ruling over germany for not even 20 jears - just because they found this joke funny too.
with the same argument we could start banning crosses...

You sir deserve an Urbanmech! I am glad I'm not the only one who gets a bit peeved when people are like ERMEGERD SWASTIKER! And instantly say it's a hate symbol o.e Yes what the Nazi's did was ungodly terrible and deserved to be destroyed, but really people, look up your symbols before you slander then. It's like people thinking Jesus was the only person crucified (i.e for people who don't know, Ceasar did that to thousands of people also)

Edited by Sidra, 17 July 2012 - 03:54 PM.

[Pht]

I hope like crazy they try it.

The professional vultures from marvel et al would settle on HG and rip their case and IP to shreds. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if marvel et al went to japan and pursued it there, too.

Heeereee hg hg ... er, "fishy fishy."

[guardian wolf]

Kay Wolf, on 17 July 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

Harmony Gold wasn't going to do anything against FASA; they had already agreed everything was cool. However, then HG made a deal with Colico to make the toys for Robotech. Then, FASA opened their pie-holes and called Colico on it, and then HG and Colico took it to FASA. Now, the developers here have already explained that Harmony Gold, Tatsunoko, Agrama, and anyone else that WAS involved with that lawsuit is not why there's a holdup on announcing the Unseen's or introducing Iglesias-version Reseens, and in the FAQ for MWO they've already explained an announcement about the Unseens is forthcoming.

Thank you for explaining that in its entirety, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I might forgive HG. If not, then god help them when I finish my life size, fully operational Warhammer, let them sue me then, for copyright infringement, with their offices a bit more crispy. *laughs manically*

Gendo, on 17 July 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

then you simply dont get the joke:
an educated mind should know that the swastika is a ancient indic symbol of PEACE!
i never understand why people associate a millenia old peace symbol with a bunch of stupid gangsters ruling over germany for not even 20 jears - just because they found this joke funny too.
with the same argument we could start banning crosses...

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[Insidious Johnson]

guardian wolf, on 17 July 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Thank you for explaining that in its entirety, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I might forgive HG. If not, then god help them when I finish my life size, fully operational Warhammer, let them sue me then, for copyright infringement, with their offices a bit more crispy. *laughs manically*

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[Ghogiel]

Thundercles, on 17 July 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Isn't there a rule out there regarding either copyright or trademark (honestly not sure which, or if it even applies) that says if it can be demonstrated you aren't actively defending it from all infringement, then you can't defend it from ANY infringement? Like, you can't pick and choose who you call out on it - a violation is a violation, and failure to take the violator to task is a forfeiture of the rights. Probably doesn't apply here, honestly, but maybe someone with more info could weigh in?

Gendo, on 17 July 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

easy: if you hold a copyright and know a misuse you are forced by law to defend it agressive (in court). or lose it

Probably confusing copyright with trademarks.

There is no possible way to just lose copyright ownership. The only way is to sign a legally binding document that makes an exclusive transfer of rights from the owner to a new party.

Edited by Ghogiel, 17 July 2012 - 04:49 PM.

[Gendo]

guardian wolf, on 17 July 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

*In a Native American accent* This man is a student of history, so in that spirit, give those who are not these blankets and breath deep. If you don't get this you are also not a student of history.*/accent*

impressive guess! mainly early mesopotamia. and i realy want to talk to the guy who ordered the bomb drops on eridu during the gulf war - i wanted to DIG there some day. thats gone now...

and please dont get me wrong: i was not upset but serious with "i dont understand it" - because i tried and failed.
i see such things like a great and beautiful sword, crafted by a master, ment for symbolic uses. if its stolen by a insane maniac who slays countless people with it (or in its name), how can i associate the dead with the sword or even the smith?
but its something completely different when the madman would craft/buy the sword for his insane plan - in this case i could understand the reaction...

[Sidra]

Gendo, on 17 July 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

impressive guess! mainly early mesopotamia. and i realy want to talk to the guy who ordered the bomb drops on eridu during the gulf war - i wanted to DIG there some day. thats gone now...

and please dont get me wrong: i was not upset but serious with "i dont understand it" - because i tried and failed.
i see such things like a great and beautiful sword, crafted by a master, ment for symbolic uses. if its stolen by a insane maniac who slays countless people with it (or in its name), how can i associate the dead with the sword or even the smith?
but its something completely different when the madman would craft/buy the sword for his insane plan - in this case i could understand the reaction...

I guess I did get sorta testy, it's just with me it is a pet peeve, what little history I do know, I tend to get annoyed when people miunderstand it. Like The civil war, actually was STARTED over trade embargoes (or however ya spell it xD )

[Gendo]

Ghogiel, on 17 July 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

There is no possible way to just lose copyright ownership. The only way is to sign a legally binding document that makes an exclusive transfer of rights from the owner to a new party.

Copyright Defenses

if i understand this correctly, the copyright expires after 5 jears of misuse if legal actions are ignored.