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[Sjorpha]

Dredges, on 15 February 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tried it. Rubbish.

Its basically a bigger, fatter, slower WVR with none of the WVR's ability to hit-and-run and lacking any serious punch that makes trying to stick around in a fight at LPL ranges worthwhile.

And its just not as much fun to play as a WVR.

With the GH treshold on IS large laser weapons currently upped to 3, there is a very viable TBR-5SE build with 3 large pulse in the torso, 2 ml in the arm and standard engine.

That same change is also a significant buff to the Wolverine 6k, as it will be able to fire the three LL together.

Edited by Sjorpha, 15 February 2015 - 08:40 AM.

[Koniks]

DAEDALOS513, on 15 February 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

Ya and I bought two 6K's for CW.. You had to use skill in positioning and torso twisting to keep that arm safe. I always thought that was a fair trade off.. guess too many cry babies out there.

Apparently they weren't responding to people saying it was OP and they didn't intend the changes to be a nerf. They were responding to people who wanted stock loadouts to somehow become viable despite game mechanics that make that incredibly unlikely.

Greenjulius, on 15 February 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

If you're going to do that, you might as well go big. Strip most of the armor off the arms (nothing in them anyway) and keep FF/Endo, and you should be able to go XL235+3DHS and 2 JJ. Now that Paul is removing ghost heat from the 3rd LPL/LL/ERLL, (on trial now, but will probably become permanent) it will actually be a fairly decent build... I may have to try this.

LINK

The correct response is to suggest someone buy a TDR-5SS if for some reason they haven't already.

Gamuray, on 14 February 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

All yee who wish for the LPL wubbing to continue, look no further than the TDR 9SE. Mounting 4 LPL's, an xl 280, jj's for rocks, and good heat efficiency. You shall not want of the wub any more. Yee shall be satisfied =P

(Experienced TDR-9SE pilot <- )

See above.

Edited by Mizeur, 15 February 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[Dredges]

Sjorpha, on 15 February 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

That same change is also a significant buff to the Wolverine 6k, as it will be able to fire the three LL together.

Hopefully. Annoying I spent the cash on the modules for LPL's though and now have to buy LL's.

However the key word there is 'currently'. If they decide to drop the GH threshold back down....

[Tarogato]

Sjorpha, on 15 February 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

... there is a very viable TBR-5SE build with 3 large pulse in the torso, 2 ml in the arm and standard engine.

At what, 68kph? No thanks. Mine runs an XL300 so I can actually maneuver with the bloody thing. Otherwise, exact same build, and I highly recommend it to anybody who might be curious about it. That said ... it plays completely differently from the Wubverine. It's not even in the least bit comparable. Feels more like a neutered XL400 Wubshee.

[Prc]

DAEDALOS513, on 15 February 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

Ya and I bought two 6K's for CW.. waste of money now. I don't see how it was an OP mech when if you lopped it's right arm off, the mech became USELESS. Most people now know this weakness so they target right arm. You had to use skill in positioning and torso twisting to keep that arm safe. I always thought that was a fair trade off.. guess too many cry babies out there.

Nothing to add m8 high risk high reward mech

[InspectorG]

Dredges, on 15 February 2015 - 08:15 AM, said:

Tried it. Rubbish.

Its basically a bigger, fatter, slower WVR with none of the WVR's ability to hit-and-run and lacking any serious punch that makes trying to stick around in a fight at LPL ranges worthwhile.

And its just not as much fun to play as a WVR.

Currently, agree but will see about the new ghost heat change. Wubverine with dat range though...

Will be missed.

[Punk Oblivion]

Greenjulius, on 15 February 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

If you're going to do that, you might as well go big. Strip most of the armor off the arms (nothing in them anyway) and keep FF/Endo, and you should be able to go XL235+3DHS and 2 JJ. Now that Paul is removing ghost heat from the 3rd LPL/LL/ERLL, (on trial now, but will probably become permanent) it will actually be a fairly decent build... I may have to try this.

LINK

I was thinking something similar, but with a hair more armor, especially in the legs: ARROW

Mizeur, on 15 February 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

The correct response is to suggest someone buy a TDR-5SS if for some reason they haven't already.

I like my mini-jager thank you very much! Besides, there is a 20 ton difference between the two, so they are not necessarily interchangeable/comparable.

[Vermaxx]

Aw COME ON MAN. Yer dorkin' the Atlas S, the Cataphract 3D STILL isn't getting a fair shake of the quirk peen, and all the pulse hate.

At least the other Cataphracts get even better. Still not happy about the Free Atlas.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Brody319, on 12 February 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

what about the Catapults?! who cares about the Cataphracts?

I wanna know how much PGI hates me!

PGI doesn't hate you, just catapults .

I'm guessing they are going to strip out some quirks, make the A1 ears bigger with less armor and structure, and make the K2 barrels more tiny.

The Catapult is the Rodney Dangerfield of Mech's.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 16 February 2015 - 03:04 AM.

[El Bandito]

DAEDALOS513, on 15 February 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

Ya and I bought two 6K's for CW.. waste of money now. I don't see how it was an OP mech when if you lopped it's right arm off, the mech became USELESS. Most people now know this weakness so they target right arm. You had to use skill in positioning and torso twisting to keep that arm safe. I always thought that was a fair trade off.. guess too many cry babies out there.

Yeah, trying to keep the arm with those over quirked LPLs safe, from 500--1000 meters away, with only 0.67 second laser burn time, on a mobile Medium mech--so much skill, rite? With its +50% range, there isn't too much risk in the first place.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 February 2015 - 04:02 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

El Bandito, on 16 February 2015 - 03:56 AM, said:

Yeah, trying to keep the arm with those over quirked LPLs safe, from 500--1000 meters away, with only 0.67 second laser burn time, on a mobile Medium mech--so much skill, rite? With its +50% range, there isn't too much risk in the first place.

We bow down to you El Bandito.. your skill is known from far and wide. But most of us find it a major weakness when you combine most weapons on one body part and add to that an xl engine. It's a fair trade-off. Personally I thoroughly enjoy chopping off WVR arms, it's one of the joys I have in this game, as well as chopping off the Wang arm and Cat ears..

Edited by DAEDALOS513, 16 February 2015 - 06:48 AM.

[Water Bear]

Assuming the WVR-6k quirks don't get passed on to another WVR, this 1) makes me sad 2) is completely deserved. I love my wubverine but that thing is silly OP. It's not hard to top your teams damage, kills, score, or all three in a Wubber.

I am sad that it's losing power, but I have hope for the upcoming LL boat. Given that it has duration redux, it can probably work with 20% total large laser heat redux since large lasers already produced much less heat. I think it will be less powerful, but on the whole more balanced while having the same play style. (Low duration laser alpha at around 580 meters).

It's a good thing when this game gets balanced.

[Widowmaker1981]

Water Bear, on 16 February 2015 - 06:40 AM, said:

Assuming the WVR-6k quirks don't get passed on to another WVR, this 1) makes me sad 2) is completely deserved. I love my wubverine but that thing is silly OP. It's not hard to top your teams damage, kills, score, or all three in a Wubber.

I am sad that it's losing power, but I have hope for the upcoming LL boat. Given that it has duration redux, it can probably work with 20% total large laser heat redux since large lasers already produced much less heat. I think it will be less powerful, but on the whole more balanced while having the same play style. (Low duration laser alpha at around 580 meters).

It's a good thing when this game gets balanced.

LLs and LPLs are both 7 heat.

Its the same, not 'much less'

[El Bandito]

DAEDALOS513, on 16 February 2015 - 05:30 AM, said:

We bow down to you El Bandito.. your skill is known from far and wide. But most of us find it a major weakness when you combine most weapons on one body part and add to that an xl engine. It's a fair trade-off. Personally I thoroughly enjoy chopping off WVR arms, it's one of joys I have in this game.

Hey, I play my HBK-4P with 275 XL and 3 LPLs on the very prominent hunch. You do not see me complaining, even though 4P LPL quirks are even worse than that of quirk pass 2 Wolvie.
At least with 6K the enemy will try to shoot at its arm to disable its weapons--therefore making your XL weakness statement obsolete. Same cannot be said of my Wubback, which has all its weapons on the part that will pop the XL engine at the same time.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 February 2015 - 07:05 AM.

[Cerulean Knight]

El Bandito has a point. The 6K's quirks where way over done.

I had not touched it since the quirkening, but decided to give it a shot this weekend. Dear God was it easy to score kills in that thing. I wasn't even using 3 LPLs, just 2 (before parking it last August, I had 2 PPCs in it, so, I figured it would be a good idea to just swap). Granted this is only anecdotal evidence, but after 3 games, 11 kills with 1 death, I parked it again. I may live in the cheesehead state, but that was too much cheese for me to handle in a day.

With that said, I would like to point out that you can still keep your Wubverines in one peice. No one is forcing you to use a WVR-6K without LPL's, just don't expect it to be the harbinger of long range death.

Edited by Cerulean Knight, 16 February 2015 - 07:31 AM.

[DAEDALOS513]

El Bandito, on 16 February 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

Hey, I play my HBK-4P with 275 XL and 3 LPLs on the very prominent hunch. You do not see me complaining, even though 4P LPL quirks are even worse than that of quirk pass 2 Wolvie.
At least with 6K the enemy will try to shoot at its arm to disable its weapons--therefore making your XL weakness statement obsolete. Same cannot be said of my Wubback, which has all its weapons on the part that will pop the XL engine at the same time.

Wrong.. ppl aiming for arm means ppl are NOT aiming for CT.. which in turn means your even more sensitive right ST will get collateral damage.. so my statement makes complete sense. Hunch has fortified ST as well.. wvr does not.

[Seeter 721]

Finally time to try gausscada, with decent cooldown (+20%)

[Weeny Machine]

Kryten 2X4B, on 16 February 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Finally time to try gausscada, with decent cooldown (+20%)

Don't forget to build in a 100 STD engine and a second gauss!

[MeiSooHaityu]

I am curious if the Catapult K2 received some better PPC quirks. Some higher velocity for PPCs would be nice.

[Koniks]

Punk Oblivion, on 15 February 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

I was thinking something similar, but with a hair more armor, especially in the legs: ARROW


I like my mini-jager thank you very much! Besides, there is a 20 ton difference between the two, so they are not necessarily interchangeable/comparable.

You're right. The Arrow is inferior in almost every way. Unless for some reason you want to bring an assault in CW. And even then, if you need the tonnage, you're probably better off with 2 35-tonners and the TDR, instead.

Edited by Mizeur, 16 February 2015 - 10:22 AM.