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[MeiSooHaityu]

I haven't run the Panther yet, but one thing that bums me out about the Panther is how similar it is to my Vindicators in loadouts.

My Vindi 1R is running 1 PPC and 4 MPLasers (similar to a Panther build in the preview), and my Vindi 1AA is running 2 PPCs which we know many are going to run the Panther with 2 ERPPCs (including myself).

Bummer, either my Vindicators will suffer or my Panthers will suffer. Oh well I guess *shrug*.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mauller, on 17 February 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

The only problem with this build is that you've removed one shield arm to protect your side torso when you're rotating for damage. With an XL engine, you've just given even faster access for destruction. Why aim for spindly legs when you can kill the side torso faster?

I see what your getting at, but removing the armor in that arm is the way to go IMO.

I'd agree with you in something heavier (mediums and up), but for a light, it's speed should make up for a lack of shield arm armor.

[Mcgral18]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 February 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

I would also like to know how hot the 2x ER PPC build is.

The Awesome which had the same quirks, with 10 TrueDubs(which his build doesn't) while only being Basic'ed had, I believe, a 45% heat spike.

Quite toasty.

[Greenjulius]

I did some initial field tests with the Resistance variants of the Enforcer 5D and the Panther 10K, upgrading them to DHS/Endo for the Enforcer and DHS/Endo/FF for the Panther.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the Enforcer. I see potential in using mixed laser/ballistic builds, especially MPL for the 5D. Even pre-basics it's nicely mobile with a XL280, and a couple JJ get it around well.

I'm a little worried by the lack of hardpoints on the Panther 10K. 2xERPPC is too hot (may be better once properly elited) and I couldn't find a good replacement for it. Perhaps 2xMPL, 2xSRM4 might work, but this mech is looking like it's in trouble.

Edited by Greenjulius, 17 February 2015 - 12:36 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Mcgral18, on 17 February 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

The Awesome which had the same quirks, with 10 TrueDubs(which his build doesn't) while only being Basic'ed had, I believe, a 45% heat spike.

Quite toasty.

So you may fire them both once? Twice if you dont jump....

Too hot.

Edited by DarthRevis, 17 February 2015 - 12:36 PM.

[Brody319]

Since I won't be buying the Enforcer till C-bill release. I am curious to see if anyone would be willing to try this 5P build for me.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4b10ff0569a34e0

[Greenjulius]

Brody319, on 17 February 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

Since I won't be buying the Enforcer till C-bill release. I am curious to see if anyone would be willing to try this 5P build for me.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4b10ff0569a34e0

That doesn't seem like enough ammo to me. I'll try it, but I feel it needs a minimum of 500 rounds.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Greenjulius, on 17 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I'm a little worried by the lack of hardpoints on the Panther 10K. 2xERPPC is too hot (may be better once properly elited) and I couldn't find a good replacement for it. Perhaps 2xMPL, 2xSRM4 might work, but this mech is looking like it's in trouble.

I could see maybe 1 ERPPC and a SRM. Also, maybe 1LPLaser and 1MLaser with a SRM.

I can see where it might get tricky though. I think keeping an ERPPC in the mix would be the best idea.

[Mauller]

MeiSooHaityu, on 17 February 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

I see what your getting at, but removing the armor in that arm is the way to go IMO.

I'd agree with you in something heavier (mediums and up), but for a light, it's speed should make up for a lack of shield arm armor.

I agree that the speed will help, but when fighting lights, people tend to go for the legs and cripple them. A side torso is far easier to hit on a light than the legs imo and by having nothing protecting the side torso with an XL, is a near instant death. Mind you, I never really play optimum builds. I'm stoked to play with mine, but I know that I'll be aiming for the torso instead of legs on these builds.

[Greenjulius]

Brody319, on 17 February 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

Since I won't be buying the Enforcer till C-bill release. I am curious to see if anyone would be willing to try this 5P build for me.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4b10ff0569a34e0

How about this instead? Faster and more heat efficient.

Build

I would personally macro the 3xAC2s to fire in continuous dakka mode, but I'm sure it'll run hot.

Edited by Greenjulius, 17 February 2015 - 12:43 PM.

[Mauller]

Also, the panther is quite large, it's not like trying to hit a commando or firestarter, the thing is a borderline medium mech in terms of scale.

[Axeface]

The panther is absolute and utter garbage. And its arm is about the size of the empire state building with 2 ppc's on it. Oh, and it SOUNDS incredibly uninspired - I was looking forward to a cool sound, I didnt even notice the sound till I thought about it.


Havent tried the enforcer yet but I think the hardpoints look ok. - but it looks like trash so I will probably let it gather dust once it's levelled.

Edited by Axeface, 17 February 2015 - 12:48 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

Brody319, on 17 February 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

Since I won't be buying the Enforcer till C-bill release. I am curious to see if anyone would be willing to try this 5P build for me.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4b10ff0569a34e0

Rumor has it the BJ with ac2 quirks is crazy fast . If you want ac2 you might go with this.

[Bishop Steiner]

Rhaythe, on 17 February 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

About the build I expected to see for that unit, unfortunately.

it'll be overheated, all the time, so don't think it'll be the new meta

[Greenjulius]

Mauller, on 17 February 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

Also, the panther is quite large, it's not like trying to hit a commando or firestarter, the thing is a borderline medium mech in terms of scale.

It's about the same size of a firestarter...

[MeiSooHaityu]

Mauller, on 17 February 2015 - 12:42 PM, said:

Also, the panther is quite large, it's not like trying to hit a commando or firestarter, the thing is a borderline medium mech in terms of scale.

Not from the pics I've seen. Its bigger than a Commando, but its about as tall as a Jenner. It is also shorter than the Cicada by a descent enough amount (which is the smallest medium).

I still think most people go for the legs on lights anyway. In anycase, do what you are comfortable with of course, but I just wouldn't worry as much about the arms myself.

[FupDup]

For the 9R, I was surprised that PPC + SRM6 + 3 SPL didn't completely faceplant itself. Still sub-par by all accounts, but not as horribad as the original Wolverine 7K was compared to other Wolvies...

EDIT: Aaaand now I just had a bad match to offset that.

Edited by FupDup, 17 February 2015 - 12:57 PM.

[Brody319]

You could do 1 Gauss and 1 ERPPC for the 5P

[Axeface]

Greenjulius, on 17 February 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

It's about the same size of a firestarter...

In height, but its arm - even if you put 2 small lasers on it is about 4 times larger. And lower slung, it is a horrible mech.

[Greenjulius]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 February 2015 - 12:48 PM, said:

it'll be overheated, all the time, so don't think it'll be the new meta

I tried it and agree. I don't have it basiced or elited yet, but it jumps about 45% when you fire both at the same time. Once mastered it will be under 40% per shot, but that still means you can only doublefire around 3 times (slower than max cooldown) before overheating.

The problem is that it won't do damage fast enough to make sense. It needs some kind of cooler backup weapon in case it gets caught by... anything at close range. Firestarters will be eating these poor things up in the next week, no question.