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[MeiSooHaityu]

Shadow Magnet, on 18 February 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

You are aware that aloooot of mechs have almost identical stock layout?

I'm aware, that's why I said "more stock based quirk loadouts" and not all mechs mechs should get stock based loadouts.

Adhering closer to stock intentintent on some chassis is ok (especially when the mech was so clearly designed to carry a specific load out).

A good example is the Catapult K2 with high mount energy arms modeled with PPC barrels from the start. It received no PPC quirks and instead ballistic quirks. Why??? There was no reason the K2 should have recieved ballistic quirks vs PPC quirks.

Now it has mediocre PPC quirks, which is what I was getting at. I think more mechd should get more stock orientated quirks (like the PPCs on the K2), but make them good (which unfortunately the K2 did not get).

You can have variation from stock intent for variety, but many mechs just scream out for a specific quirk set (hence why they were originally designed a certain way to begin with).

That's all I'm trying to say.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 18 February 2015 - 06:44 AM.

[Shadow Magnet]

MeiSooHaityu, on 18 February 2015 - 06:43 AM, said:

I'm aware, that's why I said "more stock based quirk loadouts" and not all mechs mechs should get stock based loadouts.

Adhering closer to stock intentintent on some chassis is ok (especially when the mech was so clearly designed to carry a specific load out).

A good example is the Catapult K2 with high mount energy arms modeled with PPC barrels from the start. It received no PPC quirks and instead ballistic quirks. Why??? There was no reason the K2 should have recieved ballistic quirks vs PPC quirks.

Now it has mediocre PPC quirks, which is what I was getting at. I think more mechd should get more stock orientated quirks (like the PPCs on the K2), but make them good (which unfortunately the K2 did not get).

You can have variation from stock intent for variety, but many mechs just scream out for a specific quirk set (hence why they were originally designed a certain way to begin with).

That's all I'm trying to say.

You are right, there were several mechs that got quirks that did not make any sense (previous Arrow or K2). And those should be fixed for sure - and get viable level of quirks.

But that is no valid reason to enforce stock layout quirks for everything, which PGI is seemingly doing. See Battlemaster, Banshee. A few mechs escaped from the quirk massacre, I bet they will get chopped with the next patch.

I slowly start to think that PGI really only should apply generic class quirks, none at all that are weapon specific (-x% energy heat gen, not -x% large pulse laser heat gen for example). Forcing either stock layouts or "meta" layouts is equally bad. Neither increases the number of viable mechs or variety of mech variants run in the game and either is going to make the people unhappy that favour the other quirk style.

[zagibu]

I agree about the weapon specific quirks. They only promote more boating. I'd say ditch them and tone down all offensive quirks anyway, then buff defensive quirks and hand them out more often.

[Shadow Magnet]

zagibu, on 18 February 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

I agree about the weapon specific quirks. They only promote more boating. I'd say ditch them and tone down all offensive quirks anyway, then buff defensive quirks and hand them out more often.

So eventually, the Spider 5V will have more quirked armor and structure than an Atlas? Just kidding

I have no problem with offensive quirks (generic ones to avoid one-build locking). In the end the quirks are supposed to balance IS out against the top Clan mechs, right?

I wouldn't mind getting increased defensive quirks and other, completely new quirks for certain mechs. Atlas should be an enduring *****. Not enough firepower on it? Doesn't matter, make it a tough nut to crack.

But I would prefer diversity across the mechs and each mech variants. I fail to see how giving ML quirks to about 70% of the IS mechs will improve the game.

[Spheroid]

All my builds received net buffs. I have no problem with the quirk changes.

[Shadow Magnet]

Spheroid, on 18 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

All my builds received net buffs. I have no problem with the quirk changes.

So because everything is candy for you, it should be for everyone?

[Brody319]

1X gets a minor nerf and the DC gets stock loadout quirks = all blackjacks are ******?




You don't have to like him but at least acknowledge that he exists.

[L3mming2]

Brody319, on 18 February 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

1X gets a minor nerf and the DC gets stock loadout quirks = all blackjacks are ******?




You don't have to like him but at least acknowledge that he exists.

this is my BJ-1X
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...65eebe65ed5925c

it got a buff, beter heat (-10% on 24 heat instead of on 14) the lpl an ml ranges are closer now and it got + 11 strukture buff for side torsi... dont know why ppl think its a nerf

[Curccu]

Brody319, on 18 February 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

1X gets a minor nerf and the DC gets stock loadout quirks = all blackjacks are ******?

You don't have to like him but at least acknowledge that he exists.

A R R O W !

[Brody319]

L3mming2, on 18 February 2015 - 11:09 AM, said:

this is my BJ-1X
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...65eebe65ed5925c

it got a buff, beter heat (-10% on 24 heat instead of on 14) the lpl an ml ranges are closer now and it got + 11 strukture buff for side torsi... dont know why ppl think its a nerf

This is what I run on my BJ-3

[L3mming2]

Brody319, on 18 February 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

This is what I run on my BJ-3

i would run it like this but i like xl's ...
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2fb99caf4905e50

[Brody319]

L3mming2, on 18 February 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

i would run it like this but i like xl's ...
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2fb99caf4905e50

I just like the survivability of a STD engine.