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[Variant1]

kapusta11, on 18 February 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

MWO has one of the most hostile and pretentious community I ever saw.

bruh wait till you see world of tanks, Heroes of newerth, League of legends etc. Im pretty sure all online games have their share of hostile and aggressive players . In my opinion i think most of the mechwarrior online community is calm straightforward and not that bad, only people i had problems with are the ones that trash talk their teammates because they died first =/.

[cSand]

kapusta11, on 18 February 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

MWO has one of the most hostile and pretentious community I ever saw.

[3xnihilo]

The only thing that gets me with the quirk changes is things like: Take away spl quirks for the LCT-3m then make the 1e clearly better in all things energy related. The 3m was fun with spl and in fact the quirks it has are not bad for running them still (20%cool down, 10% laser duration) but the 1e can do it better with 1 more energy hardpoint so there is no real reason to run the 3m besides "I am emotionally attached to my little buddy." They did the same thing with the BJ-1DC and the BJ-1 (I think) where the quirks are identical or nearly identical. So to me, it is not so much the buffing and nerfing that is a problem. That happens. It is removing quirks that made similar variants distinct from one another.

[Duke Nedo]

None of the nerfs were that bad, but I have to admit it's a bit annoying if nothing else when a new favourite toy, like the Rvn-2x, gets changed. It may even be a better mech now, but just not my Rvn-2x anymore...

Anyways, I got much more upset over then mechs that did not get updated quirks this pass, like: Victors, Drg-5N, the good old 3D and the catapults etc.

[3xnihilo]

Duke Nedo, on 18 February 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

None of the nerfs were that bad, but I have to admit it's a bit annoying if nothing else when a new favourite toy, like the Rvn-2x, gets changed. It may even be a better mech now, but just not my Rvn-2x anymore...

Anyways, I got much more upset over then mechs that did not get updated quirks this pass, like: Victors, Drg-5N, the good old 3D and the catapults etc.

. . . Commandos. . . just sayin'

[DONTOR]

3xnihilo, on 18 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

. . . Commandos. . . just sayin'

I'll use em regardless, hell even using them with sub par quirks makes it more fun for me, cause no one else is running them! But I would LOVE a hill climb quirk 4REALZ.

[Huginmunin]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

The tears of those who rely on quirk-only builds since the last patch are priceless

PRICELESS

what's that saying about not putting all your eggs in one basket?

maybe it's time to look within yourself, and build to your own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than relying on arbitrary and changing values?

either way, PRICELESS

Here's the thing: I made laser-heavy builds when lasers were the worst weapons in the game. I voluntarily avoided EZ mode LRM boats and gauss/ppc poptart builds and AC-20 builds and whatnot, even when all the math said I was gimping myself, even when they added Ghost heat. I played the Thundebolt when everyone was saying the Thunderbolt was garbage, etc etc.

Then quirks came, and for once my laser builds were competitive. Not OP, but competiive in their wieght class. So yeah, the fact that PGI turned around and nerfed literally every single pulse laser quirked mech saddens me, and I don't think that sadness is unreasonable.

[cSand]

Well if you were playing them before with no problems,

you can still play them now. You still have a net gain of bonuses here.

Do what you want! Take some pride in yourself and have some faith in your abilities!

Edited by cSand, 18 February 2015 - 10:33 AM.

[STEF_]

3xnihilo, on 18 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

. . . Commandos. . . just sayin'

COM in the right hands and in the right situation own the match.

My fav light.
Quirks mean nothing!

[Metus regem]

Stefka Kerensky, on 18 February 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

COM in the right hands and in the right situation own the match.

My fav light.
Quirks mean nothing!

ppfftt.. Locust laughs at the Commando.

Edited by Metus regem, 18 February 2015 - 10:34 AM.

[cSand]

I dunno what's in the water but I've been seeing a lot of Locusts laying it down hard the last couple weeks

[Metus regem]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

I dunno what's in the water but I've been seeing a lot of Locusts laying it down hard the last couple weeks

It's 'cause the Locust is "F***ing awesome!"

All joking aside, they do take more skill to use right, then just about any other mech in the game, I also highly recommend them, as good training mechs for piloting, they teach you how not to get hit. Right along with Dragons, that teach you how to avoid damage as well, and well Cents for teaching you how to roll damage like a boss.

[Weeny Machine]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

The tears of those who rely on quirk-only builds since the last patch are priceless

PRICELESS

what's that saying about not putting all your eggs in one basket?

maybe it's time to look within yourself, and build to your own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than relying on arbitrary and changing values?

either way, PRICELESS

Ok, explain to me how positive the change of quirks for the Blackjack-DC is. Before though, compare it to the BJ-1. And of course the BJ-DC had to be curbed because it destroyed Timber Gods and Scarecrows left and right

Variety gets killed yaaay

Edited by Bush Hopper, 18 February 2015 - 10:41 AM.

[MonochromeGoat]

Remove the quirks and every single IS mech drops by 1-2 tiers.

[Roadkill]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

The tears of those who rely on quirk-only builds since the last patch are priceless

I get what you're saying, but that still doesn't mean that what PGI's doing is right.

I fully understand that it is necessary to tweak quirks in order to properly balance Mechs. Yes, by all means, continue to tweak things. That's a continuous and never ending process.

But when you dramatically change the character of a Mech by completely swapping quirks... now you're messing with people for no reason. Someone may have purchased that Mech because it had SRM quirks and they like to brawl, but now you've changed the SRM quirks to LRM quirks and the person would have never bought the Mech in the first place.

In business that's called bait and switch, and it's illegal.

[mogs01gt]

lsp, on 18 February 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

And you're probably the same mediocore casuals who play other games and never play the end game. Like people in mmo's who never successful complete 25man raids, or herioc raids. Or play EVE but never leave highsec, never do incursions. Your post confirms that you're a casual who probably only plays in pug games. Otherwise you would be min/max and follow the meta, because no real unit would let you play in "anything".

LMAO!!!! this guy! You are simply implying that you need over quirked mechs to play at a competitive level....In other words, you need your crutch to play and be good.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Good thing the Clanbabies are too stupid to know what is OP so they nerfed the wrong IS mechs. 9S wasn't great even with the 50% heat reduction. They cried and cried until they got their way like the babies they are....

Of course they will never nerf the really OP mechs because they are Clanbaby mechs (TDR SCR)....

[Deathlike]

Crotch RockIt, on 18 February 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

I love that so many people are crying about PGI hating LPL and that wub is dead, while overlooking the fact that 3xLPL just got a huge buff with the elimination of ghost heat.

Wub isn't dead, but buffing, then overnerfing, and then probably buffing again is akin to this line of thinking...

Initial buff
Person 1: AWESOME!
Person 2: What the eff were you thinking to overbuff this (Thunderbolt-9S)

After nerfing
Person 1: WTF PGI!?!?!
Person 2: The damn thing deserved to be overnerfed! (Highlander, Victor)

A Buff later
Person 1: There, that's better!
Person 2: Why do we keep needing to change stuff so much? (CERLL at one time)


The thing is PGI does really large swings of changes that causes rage. If it were slow and incremental, the feedback for said things would be easier to deal with.. instead of people finding the new overbuffed thing and exposing it to the detriment of everyone else.

Seriously, there is not even a propriety of balance being done here.

So, the forums rage on needlessly for the responsibility of the man that shall not be named. Of course, it follows people that need their certain mech/variant kept pristine or build to never be touched ever. It doesn't make anyone happy.

Edited by Deathlike, 18 February 2015 - 11:23 AM.

[cSand]

Roadkill, on 18 February 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

In business that's called bait and switch, and it's illegal.

yes but we all know that online games, especially of this variety are constantly changing, even high budget MMOs ala WoW

So it's not really a valid argument

Plus, the whole basis of humanity relies on adapting to change. I'm sure people can adapt to a quirk shift

[Monkey Lover]

DONTOR, on 18 February 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

Me, I hate TBRs, won't use em. Some of us play on hard mode and do just fine.

Ya i play with the best mechs i can and i do better thanks. Please stay off my team with your trial mechs in hardmode because i want to win.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 18 February 2015 - 11:30 AM.