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[Lily from animove]

GonaDie, on 18 February 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

b-b-b-but what about WUB?!

The wub is never gone, its in your hearth

or your cockpit as a warhorn

[xWiredx]

lsp, on 18 February 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

And you're probably the same mediocore casuals who play other games and never play the end game. Like people in mmo's who never successful complete 25man raids, or herioc raids. Or play EVE but never leave highsec, never do incursions. Your post confirms that you're a casual who probably only plays in pug games. Otherwise you would be min/max and follow the meta, because no real unit would let you play in "anything".

And you're probably the same mediocre wannabe hardcore who does well with his group but can't really hold his own with 11 other pugs. I've seen the very serious side of this game from some of the top groups, and they don't all follow the same boring min/max meta crap. Some do, but they're not the all stars of their groups. I solo drop now, very casually, and I'm not a pushover despite not running meta. What makes somebody competitive in this game isn't meta, its knowing how to play their mech, their role, and coordinating with the group.

[mogs01gt]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

love the Robot Jox reference!!!!

[cSand]

mogs01gt, on 18 February 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

love the Robot Jox reference!!!!

Watched it with my 5 year old daughter a couple months ago (had to forward a couple scenes, obviously)

She became a pretty big fan of "giant robots". Caught her a few times now sneaking downstairs after bed time and watching me play mechs

[Metus regem]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Watched it with my 5 year old daughter a couple months ago (had to forward a couple scenes, obviously)

She became a pretty big fan of "giant robots". Caught her a few times now sneaking downstairs after bed time and watching me play mechs

And no punishment was given those days.

[H00L1GAN]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Watched it with my 5 year old daughter a couple months ago (had to forward a couple scenes, obviously)

She became a pretty big fan of "giant robots". Caught her a few times now sneaking downstairs after bed time and watching me play mechs

Just wait until she's 15 (actually treasure every second while she's small) and she can play games with you and sometimes be better than you. My oldest girl makes people QUIT playing destiny and the MP is HARD as heck. She's been playing CS since she was 4, and takes her about 15 minutes with a new shooter to be in the top 3 on any leaderboards.

unfortunately she's sucked into WoW right now (again) and I can't get her to drive big stompy robots.... yet

[cSand]

Metus regem, on 18 February 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

And no punishment was given those days.

Lol, yea it was more like
"Ok, you can stay up and watch 1 MORE MATCH"

H00L1GAN, on 18 February 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

I can't get her to drive big stompy robots.... yet

all in good time sir!

[WarHippy]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

The tears of those who rely on quirk-only builds since the last patch are priceless

PRICELESS

what's that saying about not putting all your eggs in one basket?

maybe it's time to look within yourself, and build to your own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than relying on arbitrary and changing values?

either way, PRICELESS

I understand what you are saying. However, if quirks are supposed to bring more variety to the mechs being fielded, and more balance between the various chassis do you really think ignoring the quirks in favor of your own random build is going to always be the best course of action? It would be one thing if the quirks were tweaked a little, but some of them were completely changed and some cases made redundant so I can see why there is frustration. Hardly seems fair to laugh at that frustration.

[Sprouticus]

Terciel1976, on 18 February 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

But why do mechs that were actually finally decent need to be smacked down so others can take their place? Doesn't it make more sense to keep them usable and buff others so they are too? Shouldn't all mechs being good be the goal?

And I don't forget the laser buff, but it doesn't help every nerfed mech and it doesn't help all equally. And...it's still way too much change at once. Small, incremental tweaks are a much better approach (and one they claim they're moving to) than this flip-over-the-tables nonsense.

My point is this. This model (which PGI is going away from) involces a lot of changes all at once. It is slow and kind of painful. Stuff will get overbuffed, and then over nerfed. That is the nature of balance.

The onlhy 2 mechs that I have heard real complains around are the wub-varine (LPL change meant the mech needed to be toned down) and the 9S (which did not a nerf, maybe not as big as it got)

With the new model, 3-4 mechs change per patch, it will look better, be easier to tweek, etc


I am the FIRST person to say PGI has not been agressive enough with balance. They take WAY too long to look at mechs and weapons. Heck they have not even quirked the clan mechs yet!

But making it sound like just because a couple mechs got hit with the nerf bat that the IS not has no good mechs is BS. We don't KNOW if the IS has good mechs. It takes a couple of weeks to even find good loadouts when 50 mechs get changed.

[cSand]

WarHippy, on 18 February 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

I understand what you are saying. However, if quirks are supposed to bring more variety to the mechs being fielded, and more balance between the various chassis do you really think ignoring the quirks in favor of your own random build is going to always be the best course of action? It would be one thing if the quirks were tweaked a little, but some of them were completely changed and some cases made redundant so I can see why there is frustration. Hardly seems fair to laugh at that frustration.

Well I definitely get the frustration especially for mechs that didn't need it. Ask about my QKD 4H and it's LRMS that I'll never use But I took it out last night, and while it lost about 50m range on the SRMs it does run slightly cooler now.

I think the move to more "general" quirks rather than weapon specific was a good one. In theory it should create more variety, but it will take awhile to see how that pans out in reality

[MauttyKoray]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

The tears of those who rely on quirk-only builds since the last patch are priceless

PRICELESS

what's that saying about not putting all your eggs in one basket?

maybe it's time to look within yourself, and build to your own strengths and weaknesses. Rather than relying on arbitrary and changing values?

either way, PRICELESS

I'm a proponent of quirks being focused majorly on 'general' quirks, putting a heavier emphasis on giving the mech a lot of versatility, meanwhile giving it minor (15-25% of total) quirks focused on specific weapon systems.

The problem with the current quirk system is they're supposed to just give 'a little extra' for the quirks weapons but we find that unless you use those weapons the chassis under performs in comparison to the rest of them who are using the quirked weapons.

I would honestly prefer to see general quirks being the majority of the quirk %, and an addition of 'size' quirks giving things like 'large lasers' (LPL, LL, and ERLL) a bonus all at the same time. Using this, it would give a large amount of quirk overall, with a little extra boost towards a weapon system category (small ballistics, medium lasers, LRMs or SRMs) and small boosts towards specific weapons, thus layering the quirks and providing small incentives but not making those quirked weapons the DEFINING weapon for the chassis.

[cSand]

I honestly would have preferred to see more "mech" quirks, IE movement, twisting, armor etc... rather than weapon ones, but apparently those kinds of quirks will be added later

[Torgun]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 11:57 AM, said:

I think the move to more "general" quirks rather than weapon specific was a good one. In theory it should create more variety, but it will take awhile to see how that pans out in reality

My 3 Battlemasters all with medium laser specific quirks chuckle at this so-called move to more general quirks.

[Almond Brown]

GonaDie, on 18 February 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

b-b-b-but what about WUB?!

WUB lives on in the generic Energy Quirks. One just has to look harder to see the wisdom of them within (plus use proper modules) LOL!

WUB! WUB! WUB!

Edited by Almond Brown, 18 February 2015 - 12:09 PM.

[STEF_]

Metus regem, on 18 February 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

ppfftt.. Locust laughs at the Commando.

I've said in a lot of posts that locusts are OP!

But there's nothing like going commando....

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 18 February 2015 - 12:08 PM.

[3xnihilo]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Watched it with my 5 year old daughter a couple months ago (had to forward a couple scenes, obviously)

She became a pretty big fan of "giant robots". Caught her a few times now sneaking downstairs after bed time and watching me play mechs

I have had my 3 year old son fall asleep on my lap "watchin ya shoot those mechs daddy!" Good times:)

[Almond Brown]

Terciel1976, on 18 February 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

stuff

Doesn't it make more sense to keep them usable and buff others so they are too? Shouldn't all mechs being good be the goal?

stuff

We await your proposal good sir. That is in ALL Weight classes and ALL chassis in class of course. The Players will evaluate said proposal for "goodness" across the 100's of current Mechs available. Just don't forget the premise.

"All Mechs GOOD!"

[cSand]

3xnihilo, on 18 February 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

I have had my 3 year old son fall asleep on my lap "watchin ya shoot those mechs daddy!" Good times:)

Nothin better man!

[uebersoldat]

lsp, on 18 February 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

And you're probably the same mediocore casuals who play other games and never play the end game. Like people in mmo's who never successful complete 25man raids, or herioc raids. Or play EVE but never leave highsec, never do incursions. Your post confirms that you're a casual who probably only plays in pug games. Otherwise you would be min/max and follow the meta, because no real unit would let you play in "anything".

Logical fallacy 101 mate, No True Scotsman.

Being versatile as a pilot no matter what your ride is perfectly 'meta'. Sounds to me like you are the guy only concerned about his K/D and not team play.

[Mott]

cSand, on 18 February 2015 - 10:19 AM, said:

Well if you were playing them before with no problems,

you can still play them now. You still have a net gain of bonuses here.

Do what you want! Take some pride in yourself and have some faith in your abilities!

My pride has zero basis in a game. I have RL to provide me pride.

My issue with the messing with quirks isn't so much that mechs like the Wubverine/Wubshee/ThunderWub got a needed and justified toning down - it's that they got changed to completely different quirks entirely.... and then PGI wasted time and money going after innocent mechs like the BJs and Ravens for absolutely no idea.

I'm actually happy about the BJ changes because I own and love the Arrow. However, that thing with LPL quirks is literally pay-to-win, and now we'll hear more b---hing about that and eventually it'll get changed too.

Doing less, but doing it intelligently >>> Doing more... every time. It's a lesson PGI needs to learn asap.