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[pbiggz]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

For that matter, offering to let you cap behind us instead of just committing to full-blown invasion was charity by us.

No, the algorithm didn't work to that effect, but that's neither here nor there, because there was nothing forcing us to even put that offer on the table.

So... Your saying there was no alliance, thus classifying the wormhole as an invasion and legitimizing any kuritan response to curb said invasion. I'm not really following your argument here.

[LoklanZFG]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:11 PM, said:

Now, I had hoped we'd have made a formal declaration here beforehand. Such a document had been in the works when I left for work earlier today. I truly do apologize to Kurita that we pulled a Kurita here.

You can't call it pulling a Kurita unless you actually win the matches when you decide to attack someone, silly *******

[MischiefSC]

pbiggz, on 18 February 2015 - 09:32 PM, said:

AW, RRB, HHOD, we regularly beat on your 12 mans, and yes you do have them. Stop using lrms.

Do they fill 12mans? I know there's a couple of days a week they do. Are you comparing the total drops of their 12mans with the total drops of 12mans that Kurita, Marik or even old Davion used to put up?

Even pugging I'm winning almost every match against Kurita pugs since they started showing up.

[Lord DeicideRavenRose]

MischiefSC, on 18 February 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Uh, words?

You are so lucky you didn't see me tonight, dude. I was chomping at the bit to pin you and RJass against the wall, but the high council reigned me in. Next week, fedrat. Next week.

Edited by Squelches, 18 February 2015 - 09:38 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

MischiefSC, on 18 February 2015 - 09:30 PM, said:

Marik will get better. Davion is a chewtoy because there are not any 12mans currently in Davion. It's essentially all pugs pug-dropping. There are some very, very good pilots in Davion - they're just spread out. Same reason 6 2mans vs 1 12man is a one-sided match in the Group Queue.

Marik though is a lot of 12mans and some of their best mercs are, for the moment, out of town. Marik will get steadily better and their numbers won't change.

I have no doubt NS and some of the old guard will stay in Kurita no matter what.

The rest? Mercs will go where they see the best opportunity. Some units will fall apart. Kurita won't be posting 100 people a night and it'll get devoured.

I've faced almost nothing but 12-mans from HHOD, AW, and RRB on the Davion front since signing on with Kurita - that is, when I'm not ghost dropping because people refuse to CW. I almost never see pugs. I haven't run into the Lancers yet, but I know we played a game which looked like a mashup of RRB and a couple other units using the AFFS TS or something.

I'm also not really seeing any other Mercs in the HK TS aside from Phoenix Legion, which seems pretty committed to the DC. Given our unit culture, it's unlikely we'll be too interested in factions who are super serious about the nSL, and NKVA is actually really awesome to play with so HK will probably be our de facto faction when we're playing in the IS.

[Catamount]

pbiggz, on 18 February 2015 - 09:34 PM, said:

So... Your saying there was no alliance, thus classifying the wormhole as an invasion and legitimizing any kuritan response to curb said invasion. I'm not really following your argument here.

Don't hurt yourself too badly trying.

The only thing that keeps this from being an alliance is that it was strictly us doing you favors, and you taking advantage and stabbing us in the back. That reclassifies nothing as any more of an invasion than it was before, because our side of the relationship was the same either way.

Edited by Catamount, 18 February 2015 - 09:39 PM.

[Tesunie]

I read up to these posts, and then stopped.

PerfectDuck, on 18 February 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

We loved all the help Marik provided. We were especially grateful to Seraphim and BWC for lending us a hand, coordinating well with us in comms with the enjin voice server, and everything. Like, point #1 is the most confusing thing I have ever heard, especially coming from you, and point#2... really? Really?

Yeah. We of the Seraphim felt so welcomed by your ranks... that we left as soon as our contract ended. Such respect and honor was shown to us on these forums, that we felt so welcomed that we couldn't wait to toss off the Dragon and move elsewhere.

PS: Many of the other Merc groups from Marik that came to assist you then left before us...

Lord Ikka, on 18 February 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

Couldn't have put it any better myself. The DCMS has nothing but respect for Marik help/units. And this continued talk of us not fighting on the clan border is ridiculous. We've retaken the world's around Luthien and are having nightly battles against CSJ.

If those are the Marik reasons for this offensive, they are lacking.

And now we are going to unleash the NKVA hordes on your forums. Enjoy

Nothing but respect. *Snort*

All I saw was disrespect the entire time I was with the DC.

Talk to the NKVA group about how much "respect" they showed us on these forums...


Lessons here:
When you disrespect your allies and treat them poorly, don't complain when they leave you.

When you are considered in a leadership position, it isn't wise to double talk and encourage the disrespect of allies who came to your aid. (Socop, I'm looking at you here.)

You shouldn't be so surprised when your allies, that you bite as they try to help you, end up turning on you. You betray us, we no longer have to be your allies. This means that, yes, you guys actually threw the first punch. (All this caused by MS and their unsupported attacks within the Island. I thought we agreed to not let that incident affect our relationship, because if we do, MS's job here was successful in splitting up factions. Recall where they went )

[pbiggz]

MischiefSC, on 18 February 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Do they fill 12mans? I know there's a couple of days a week they do. Are you comparing the total drops of their 12mans with the total drops of 12mans that Kurita, Marik or even old Davion used to put up?

Even pugging I'm winning almost every match against Kurita pugs since they started showing up.

Well maybe if your faction didn't scare off all of its mercs and then prove absolutely impossible to work with, you wouldn't be having a population issue, but the fact is your faction is one of the largest, with or without 12 man units.

[LoklanZFG]

MischiefSC, on 18 February 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

Do they fill 12mans? I know there's a couple of days a week they do. Are you comparing the total drops of their 12mans with the total drops of 12mans that Kurita, Marik or even old Davion used to put up?

Even pugging I'm winning almost every match against Kurita pugs since they started showing up.

you guys used to fill full 12 man unit groups on our border all the time. But I imagine going a month on our border without being able to win a single match against HK 12 mans is pretty damn demoralizing

Edited by LoklanZFG, 18 February 2015 - 09:42 PM.

[pwnface]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:30 PM, said:

When we landed that planet due to the algorithm glitch, your faction effectively didn't exist. Until very, very, very recently you'd have been able to do absolutely, positively nothing to stop us, and at no point have you entered a position where you have the forces to stop us long term and deal with the Clans beating on you.

No, our asking your permission in the first place, back when you scarcely existed as a fighting force was, yet again, charity by us.

Actually, when the algorithm allowed Marik to take a HK planet our council had already formed and we were at near full fighting strength. We were actually making great progress in taking CSJ worlds at the time.

You are absolutely overestimating yourselves here, clan purple pigeon initiates an unannounced attack against Kurita today and loses both attack and defend options. You guys are jokes.

[The Droid]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

Don't hurt yourself too badly trying.

The only thing that keeps this from being an alliance is that it was strictly us doing you favors, and you taking advantage and stabbing us in the back. That reclassifies nothing as any more of an invasion than it was before, because our side of the relationship was the same either way.

Ok catatonic, how has House Kurita stabbed you in the back. Bonus points if your answer does not contain the words "Wormhole", "Clanners" or "Wall"

[Catamount]

pwnface, on 18 February 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Actually, when the algorithm allowed Marik to take a HK planet our council had already formed and we were at near full fighting strength. We were actually making great progress in taking CSJ worlds at the time.

You are absolutely overestimating yourselves here, clan purple pigeon initiates an unannounced attack against Kurita today and loses both attack and defend options. You guys are jokes.

"Great progress"? You? Again the Clans? Ever? Someone is overestimating here, but it's not me.

Just keep talking though. That's what you guys are good at.

[dervishx5]

Samurai Hanse Davion is afraid to fight 1 v 1.

Quite the samurai!

Edited by dervishx5, 18 February 2015 - 09:45 PM.

[pbiggz]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

Don't hurt yourself too badly trying.

The only thing that keeps this from being an alliance is that it was strictly us doing you favors, and you taking advantage and stabbing us in the back. That reclassifies nothing as any more of an invasion than it was before, because our side of the relationship was the same either way.

As I recall kurita, whether they could stop you or not, approved of the wormhole until you started abusing it. I also know that your high command didn't want you to fight back when kurita started closing the wormhole, so as far as I'm concerned, this conflict is retribution for the new star league guys who feel e-snubbed. Ceasefires are stupid anyway and kurita wouldn't agree to one with Davion since all they do is Harry the southern border acting like they make a difference.

Edited by pbiggz, 18 February 2015 - 09:47 PM.

[Catamount]

The Droid, on 18 February 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Ok catatonic, how has House Kurita stabbed you in the back. Bonus points if your answer does not contain the words "Wormhole", "Clanners" or "Wall"

So don't point out that you don't defend against the Clans? What about Davion and Mercs? Are those words allowed?

[pwnface]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

"Great progress"? You? Again the Clans? Ever? Someone is overestimating here, but it's not me.

Just keep talking though. That's what you guys are good at.

Talk is cheap anyway, you guys are getting smashed and nothing you say can prove otherwise.

[MischiefSC]

Vlad Ward, on 18 February 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

I've faced almost nothing but 12-mans from HHOD, AW, and RRB on the Davion front since signing on with Kurita - that is, when I'm not ghost dropping because people refuse to CW. I almost never see pugs. I haven't run into the Lancers yet, but I know we played a game which looked like a mashup of RRB and a couple other units using the AFFS TS or something.

I'm also not really seeing any other Mercs in the HK TS aside from Phoenix Legion, which seems pretty committed to the DC. Given our unit culture, it's unlikely we'll be too interested in factions who are super serious about the nSL, and NKVA is actually really awesome to play with so HK will probably be our de facto faction when we're playing in the IS.

Actually....

that's awesome. I'm glad to hear that folks are showing back up. We had about 80 players on tonight which is a peak and there's a bunch coming in soon too.

One benefit of playing in a 12man is the ability to consistently improve. Same people, helping each other GIT GUD.

That's good news. RRB, HHoD, AW have some great players. We've also got a bunch of new people who are getting trained up. I hope you find the caliber of encounters with Davion getting more and more challenging.

Like I said before... we've got time.

[Gas Guzzler]

Catamount, on 18 February 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

"Great progress"? You? Again the Clans? Ever? Someone is overestimating here, but it's not me.

Just keep talking though. That's what you guys are good at.

Ya know, you guys have never had a Clan border and therefore have no idea what you are talking about.

[SteelWarrior]

Rofl best thread 2015

On a serious note, REM should consider sticking around with Kurita for a long time to come, you guys seem to enjoy the salty tears of our enemies as much as we do.

[Lord DeicideRavenRose]

SteelWarrior, on 18 February 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Rofl best thread 2015

On a serious note, REM should consider sticking around with Kurita for a long time to come, you guys seem to enjoy the salty tears of our enemies as much as we do.

Hell yeah dude