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[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

I expect he'll go red.
I mean he posted a rough draft of an internal document that was voted down in the Kurita forums.

Here I thought you were going to play nice and not burn every bridge left.

Can't say anyone is surprised though.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 20 February 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

Here I thought you were going to play nice and not burn every bridge left.

Can't say anyone is surprised though.

I'm sorry, does the truth offend you? My bad.

[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

I'm sorry, does the truth offend you? My bad.

Nope, not offensive, but if you ever spoke an ounce of it then I would be very afraid.

[Roadbeer]

Prophetic, on 20 February 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Nope, not offensive, but if you ever spoke an ounce of it then I would be very afraid.

Seriously, who sent you the PM notifying you about my post.

I expect to se NS all over this thread in minutes.

[Prophetic]

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

Seriously, who sent you the PM notifying you about my post.

Why, you did good sir, you did.

Edited by Prophetic, 20 February 2015 - 04:53 PM.

[dervishx5]

I'm going wherever.

Edited by dervishx5, 20 February 2015 - 04:52 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Top right of the thread; you can follow it or see what 7 people are following it.

The idea that Marik went to war with Kurita over some forum posts is pretty silly. It's like saying a couple got divorced because the guy always left the cap off the toothpaste. It wasn't about the cap on the toothpaste; it was about one of them having nothing but utter contempt for the other and very different priorities.

Someone else said 'well if you loaned someone your torque wrench and asked him to give it back, wouldn't you expect him to do so?'

Better analogy -

A friend comes to you to borrow a torque wrench. He's got this project car he's trying to get done and it's very, very important to him. He needs to get it done soon and needs to borrow your torque wrench, so you loan it to him and say 'sure, no problem. I'll want it back at some point but yeah. Good luck with that.'

Then 2 weeks later while he's in the middle of his project you tell him you want the torque wrench returned, immediately, or you'll call the police and report it stolen. Oh, and you tell him he's a bad mechanic and an idiot and should fail at everything he's ever tried because that's all he deserves. When he asks you what your problem is you explain that you find insulting someone funny and he needs to get over it because if you find it funny so should he. Except the torque wrench bit, you have no use for it or need for it and are out of town on business but if he doesn't give it back NOW you're calling the party van. Cuz f**k his project. Then finish with 'Hey, for christmas I'd like it if you get me a Barbie Dream Home. We're good friends, you should get me stuff for Christmas. Right good buddy? I'm not in a place to buy you anything but don't you want to be the giving sort?'

I would expect him to drag his feet and think I'm a complete and total a**hole and want nothing good to happen to me in the future, because it wasn't just about the insults - it was that I treated him with absolute and abject contempt.

I would love to see a list of everything Kurita has done for Marik to warrant their being allies. Not that I'm not totally biased; however this one was so obvious from day one. As soon as Marik started really focusing on going to fight the Clans this one was brewing.

[An Anime Princess]

that analogy is insane and has nothing to do with anything. come on dude, you're sharper than this

[LightTreason]

As long as we're exaggerating, it was more like they borrowed our wrench, agreed to give it back, and then when we met up to get it they started swinging it at our heads, then got mad when we tackled them and took it back

[Alienized]

everything i hear when i see the planet Athenry

[pwnface]

MischiefSC, on 20 February 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

Top right of the thread; you can follow it or see what 7 people are following it.

The idea that Marik went to war with Kurita over some forum posts is pretty silly. It's like saying a couple got divorced because the guy always left the cap off the toothpaste. It wasn't about the cap on the toothpaste; it was about one of them having nothing but utter contempt for the other and very different priorities.

Someone else said 'well if you loaned someone your torque wrench and asked him to give it back, wouldn't you expect him to do so?'

Better analogy -

A friend comes to you to borrow a torque wrench. He's got this project car he's trying to get done and it's very, very important to him. He needs to get it done soon and needs to borrow your torque wrench, so you loan it to him and say 'sure, no problem. I'll want it back at some point but yeah. Good luck with that.'

Then 2 weeks later while he's in the middle of his project you tell him you want the torque wrench returned, immediately, or you'll call the police and report it stolen. Oh, and you tell him he's a bad mechanic and an idiot and should fail at everything he's ever tried because that's all he deserves. When he asks you what your problem is you explain that you find insulting someone funny and he needs to get over it because if you find it funny so should he. Except the torque wrench bit, you have no use for it or need for it and are out of town on business but if he doesn't give it back NOW you're calling the party van. Cuz f**k his project. Then finish with 'Hey, for christmas I'd like it if you get me a Barbie Dream Home. We're good friends, you should get me stuff for Christmas. Right good buddy? I'm not in a place to buy you anything but don't you want to be the giving sort?'

I would expect him to drag his feet and think I'm a complete and total a**hole and want nothing good to happen to me in the future, because it wasn't just about the insults - it was that I treated him with absolute and abject contempt.

I would love to see a list of everything Kurita has done for Marik to warrant their being allies. Not that I'm not totally biased; however this one was so obvious from day one. As soon as Marik started really focusing on going to fight the Clans this one was brewing.

In your analogy here, MS is the 3rd neighbor that breaks in Marik's house to use the "torque wrench" without anyone's permission. Clearly you can see how the original loaner of the "torque wrench" would be uneasy about getting their property returned. If you borrow something from someone and they ask for it back, you either return it or ask to keep it longer. If they say "No" that means return it. Don't be a douchebag and refuse to return something that doesn't belong to you because "you deserve it more".

Marik is that shady neighbor that calls and says "hey come over and pick up your wrench" and then isn't home to return it. After Kurita calls repeatedly and Marik either doesn't answer the phone or makes a myriad of other excuses Kurita comes knocking on the door. Marik then opens the door and starts swinging the wrench wildly like a madman. Luckily Kuita is schooled in the art of war and beats the **** out of Marik, leaving Marik a sobbing, bleeding mess. Davion is hiding in the bushes recording everything on an iPhone 6 screaming "WORLD STARRR WORLLLD STARRRRRR". Liao is the elderly neighbor concerned for the well being of both parties and calls the police.

Edited by pwnface, 20 February 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Roadbeer]

PM Confirmed

[dervishx5]

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 05:13 PM, said:

PM Confirmed

F5 confirmed

[Karl Marlow]

My god. Page 44? Are we still attacking Athenry?

[pwnface]

ThomasMarik, on 20 February 2015 - 05:15 PM, said:

My god. Page 44? Are we still attacking Athenry?

No you failed as usual a few days ago.

[Prophetic]

MischiefSC, on 20 February 2015 - 04:53 PM, said:

Someone else said 'well if you loaned someone your torque wrench and asked him to give it back, wouldn't you expect him to do so?'

Better analogy -

A friend comes to you to borrow a torque wrench. He's got this project car he's trying to get done and it's very, very important to him. He needs to get it done soon and needs to borrow your torque wrench, so you loan it to him and say 'sure, no problem. I'll want it back at some point but yeah. Good luck with that.'

Then 2 weeks later while he's in the middle of his project you tell him you want the torque wrench returned, immediately, or you'll call the police and report it stolen. Oh, and you tell him he's a bad mechanic and an idiot and should fail at everything he's ever tried because that's all he deserves. When he asks you what your problem is you explain that you find insulting someone funny and he needs to get over it because if you find it funny so should he. Except the torque wrench bit, you have no use for it or need for it and are out of town on business but if he doesn't give it back NOW you're calling the party van. Cuz f**k his project. Then finish with 'Hey, for christmas I'd like it if you get me a Barbie Dream Home. We're good friends, you should get me stuff for Christmas. Right good buddy? I'm not in a place to buy you anything but don't you want to be the giving sort it gets stolen and someone else beats your brother, sister, mother and aunt with it. So you say umm, please stop this from ever happening again! He says, wait it wasn't my fault. We can work this out but I can't control if someone steals it again.

Sorry the police are otw. Case closed.

Totally fixed.

Edited by Prophetic, 20 February 2015 - 05:32 PM.

[PerfectDuck]

MischiefSC, on 20 February 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:

Plus how you treat people matters. People respect NS not because you're good at the game - you are. There are plenty of people who are good at the game but are total a**holes that get no respect. So everything that Kurita does is colored by how people feel treated by them. Telling people 'I'm going to insult you regularly, repeatedly and personally but you need to just take it because if it bothers you that's your problem, I'm not going to stop. Oh, and you should be my friend/ally'. That's not going to work.

Attacking a straw man a bit much here? [this relates to not necessarily the quote] Several of the merc units and temporary reinforcements, notably Seraphim, were extremely conditional about how they were to be utilized, insisting on not defending Kurita against Davion because they didn't want to get tied in with the mess about Star League and stuff. So Kurita had to do that ourselves. Merc units were neither bossed around nor insulted. We did our best to accomodate [end part about merc treatment].

If you play your hardest and try your best and keep everything above the waist, NS will honor the game and its players with respectful GG's both at end-of-match and in forums if it gets brought up.

I underlined one particular word because I'd like you to take that back. Nobody, not even our class A top assassin forum warriors make personal attacks. Also, die clanner.

[Neil Diamond]

[YCSLiesmith]

Roadbeer, on 20 February 2015 - 04:20 PM, said:

I expect he'll go red.
I mean he posted a rough draft of an internal document that was voted down in the Kurita forums.

Voted down and then followed and then humiliatingly stomped into the dirt by superior Combine pilots, yeah.

[MischiefSC]

So MS attacked Kurita and took some extra worlds. Terrible, everyone agreed. Happened between Marik and Davion too.

Doesn't change priorities. MS left, Kurita was still all about closing the wormhole at that point and was pretty clear about it. Same analogy works. I get that Kurita doesn't see it that way - this 3rd party got involved so best to just undo the whole thing because....

Wait, no, still don't get that one.

Marik had a project and a unique situation going on and was there to fight the Clans. The absurdity of saying it was some attempt to capture Kurita territory because.... giggles I guess was always just wacky. Kurita got freaked over the MS attack. The fact that MS could have done that from any border in any situation is irrelevant apparently because... reasons.

Was an opportunity to show what Kuritas priorities were and they did so. Effectively.