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[Tesunie]

pwnface, on 21 February 2015 - 04:11 PM, said:

What Marik units are in kurita now? I don't see a single one

Because most of us left after being treated so poorly... Or did we not say that yet?

UniquePilotName, on 21 February 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

planet loss was due to CSJ and CGB both having larger player bases and facing off against whatever davion could toss our way that was not fighting liao and marik was having fun. we just dropped more than them and got into matches against kurita pugs.

The average kurita pug is about as intelligent and aware as Helen Keller, though admittedly you might have to tie both hands behind Helen's back for there to be a fair fight.

A few rounds against them and it wont matter how good everyone else does



BWL. unless that changed in the last 2 days or so. several smaller units. you must be pretty blind not to see them, or that it was BWL and other "non-house" units that broke hold on your capital

I find it funny when even the enemy sees what some (most?) Kuritain posters don't seem to see. Marik Merc units broke the DC capital free and connected it to the greater portion of their house. Since we have left... It is now no longer connected again and barely holding in. (Not saying we did it all, but we certainly helped.)

As far as PUGs... I'd give them a bit more credit than that. There are a lot of good PUGs out there. Poor communications between PUGs is the issue, which is what hinders their efforts. (Here's to hoping that the VOIP really does help this out.)

PS: When my unit moved to help the DC, we were told that Kurita asked for our help, and that our targets they requested to be attacked was the Clans. Once we got there, suddenly they were not there and they were attacking Davion. I still don't understand why they "needed" to attack Davion before engaging the Clans. I don't understand what their goal was attacking Davion.

[The Droid]

So you are telling me that you were "told" to go to Kurita, and to fight the clans, and then didn't talk to Kurita players much if at all?

Edited by The Droid, 21 February 2015 - 09:58 PM.

[Harvey Batchall Kerensky at Law]

Also didn't Kurita specifically ignore the clan border for a long time, which would explain the "It is now no longer connected again and barely holding in. (Not saying we did it all, but we certainly helped.)" part?

Edited by MadWOPR, 21 February 2015 - 09:58 PM.

[Tesunie]

The Droid, on 21 February 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

So you are telling me that you were "told" to go to Kurita, and to fight the clans, and then didn't talk to Kurita players much if at all?

We were requested to go over there, and were informed that Kurita had asked for our (Marik's) aid against the Clans. We dropped mostly as 12 man groups, and thus did not come into contact with any members of Kurita in the matches.

PS: We are able to figure out who is in queue now, and when we see ourselves (our easily countable forces) and contact the other Marik mercs and find out what they are dropping, it was rather clear to those dropping how large of a force we were dropping (Marik mercs) and how much wasn't us. (Also, the TAGs assigned to the planet helped with that too.)

Also, all communications between us and other forces tends to happen between our commanders and them. Us members don't normally approach (or even know who to approach) to find out our "orders". Our commanders (vie chain of command) provides us our standing orders. In this case, we were ordered to attack Clan Smoke Jaguar. So we did.

MadWOPR, on 21 February 2015 - 09:56 PM, said:

Also didn't Kurita specifically ignore the clan border for a long time, which would explain the "It is now no longer connected again and barely holding in. (Not saying we did it all, but we certainly helped.)" part?

I'm just saying, we mercs helped in opening up the Kuritain capital planet back to the greater portion of the faction. I'm not saying we did it on our own. When we left, all expansion there stopped. It has actually started to reverse again.

That's a counter to the statement I've seen in here where it was stated "we can do it on our own", or "we fight the clans, and win", etc. If that was really the case, then why is it that when we mercs (From Marik and apparently Davion as well) came over to help, progress was made against the clans. And when we left, it starts to become swallowed up again.

There was a team effort. There is a reason I am not saying we did it on our own. Some Kurita forces helped. They are still fighting up there, which is why the planets we (collectively) took didn't just disappear again.

[pwnface]

Tesunie, on 21 February 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

We were requested to go over there, and were informed that Kurita had asked for our (Marik's) aid against the Clans. We dropped mostly as 12 man groups, and thus did not come into contact with any members of Kurita in the matches.

Kurita never requested help, Marik offered merc support and we accepted but we never asked for assistance.

Tesunie, on 21 February 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

I'm just saying, we mercs helped in opening up the Kuritain capital planet back to the greater portion of the faction. I'm not saying we did it on our own. When we left, all expansion there stopped. It has actually started to reverse again.

That's a counter to the statement I've seen in here where it was stated "we can do it on our own", or "we fight the clans, and win", etc. If that was really the case, then why is it that when we mercs (From Marik and apparently Davion as well) came over to help, progress was made against the clans. And when we left, it starts to become swallowed up again.

There was a team effort. There is a reason I am not saying we did it on our own. Some Kurita forces helped. They are still fighting up there, which is why the planets we (collectively) took didn't just disappear again.

Yes, merc support did improve our clan fronts but HK was focused on Davion. When the Marik mercs left we lost some ground against the clans because we were focused on closing the wormhole and fighting Davion. We've offered Davion peace but they refused, we will continue to take Davion worlds while holding the clans at bay until we know our back is safe.

Edited by pwnface, 22 February 2015 - 05:56 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Ax2Grind, on 21 February 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

As far as I know, whatever unit drops the most on a planet in defense or attack gets the tag. Why would it not be accurate in this case?

(I am ignoring the ridiculous aimbot accusations...do we really want to take the thread to page 50 on the topic of aimbot?)

Forgot about this thread.

No, not as far as I am aware. For instance: About a week ago, CJF had an unholy zerg of 100+ steiners dropping on one of our worlds.

CJF Taccom decided to keep hitting the steiner planet, and called for general defense help since we can't possibly stop that level of zergfest. Pretty much everyone clan came to the defense, and JFP was given the planet after having dropped a single 12 man on it once.

There's no damn way it would've been us if it were open to any group to get.

[Brew E]

Glad this is over time to move on to the real threat.

[beerandasmoke]

Is this WOT? Am I back in CRD?

[Monkey Lover]

Brew E, on 22 February 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Glad this is over time to move on to the real threat.

Its not over its just starting. There will be an attack lane soon. I am guessing in under a week.

[Brew E]

Monkey Lover, on 22 February 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

Its not over its just starting. There will be an attack lane soon. I am guessing in under a week.

Then the fun truly begins I guess:)

[Wingbreaker]

Monkey Lover, on 22 February 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

Its not over its just starting. There will be an attack lane soon. I am guessing in under a week.

One of ya'll need to hurry up and get up here so we can have some fun.

It's boring beating up the money pinatas er...Steiners.

[wanderer]

Monkey Lover, on 21 February 2015 - 06:48 PM, said:

Maybe because you post every 5 Minutes for the last few days?

When you hit a rich vein, the instinct is to strike rapidly and often, the better to chip the maximum amount of wealth from the find.

This is a rich vein of tears.

[Brew E]

Roadbeer, on 18 February 2015 - 07:08 PM, said:

FTFY

[Tesunie]

pwnface, on 22 February 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

Kurita never requested help, Marik offered merc support and we accepted but we never asked for assistance.



Yes, merc support did improve our clan fronts but HK was focused on Davion. When the Marik mercs left we lost some ground against the clans because we were focused on closing the wormhole and fighting Davion. We've offered Davion peace but they refused, we will continue to take Davion worlds while holding the clans at bay until we know our back is safe.

I'm saying what I was informed of. I was informed that Marik was granting aid to Kurita, vie what Mercs where willing to go there. We were told that we were asked to attack the clans. I do not know if Kurita asked for support, and Marik gave it. If Marik offered support and Kurita took it. Or if Kurita asked for support, Marik gave it, and now that things have deteriorated that they wish to save face and say that they never asked for support when they really did. I don't know. All I know was we were sent there, told to attack the clans, and that Kurita was going to help as well. I can't say anything beyond that.


So. You wanted Marik Mercs to attack Davion while we where there. Let me go through the logic here:
- Why would we need to even change alliance to fight Davion when we could have done so already?
- How far do you intend to attack Davion? (Whom from what I can tell have asked for a cease fire, and even sent some of their Mercs up to help you when Marik did, but this may be inaccurate information.)
- Are you attacking Davion and just about ignoring the clan front. Is it because you wish to run away from the Clans and create a buffer by taking Davion worlds instead? (This is what it appears to us. I'm not accusing anyone of anything.)

Now, I know enough to take things stated with a grain of salt, and that not all of it is going to be true... But I'm getting some serious mixed messages from Kurita. Maybe my perspective is incorrect. Maybe I'm misinformed. But so far, I'm hearing more information that seems to counter what I'm hearing from Kurita. It seems like it's an ultimate breakdown of communications to me, as I'm hearing things from Davion and Marik that seem to line up, I know what my unit was told, and then I'm hearing something completely different from Kurita.

PS: What do you consider "holding the clans at bay"? So far, I've seen a lot of territory lost, and when someone comes around to help with that front, we get rather unwelcoming messages. (Even being told you guys can handle it on your own.) We start to see progress, and then everything seemed to explode in everyone's faces. Now, I'm seeing progress that was gained being slowly taken back. (That explosion was MS attacking Kuritain worlds by the wormhole.)


PS again: This is mostly a request that we get all the facts out. We need to hear the whole story I think, from the major factions involved. I seriously think some miscommunications happened, maybe some double talking, and some trolls really muddied the waters to the point that everyone is irritated and no one seems to know what happened anymore.

[The Droid]

It's PPS, PSS, or PPPS you philistine. You can't just use PS twice. Gosh.

[LoklanZFG]

Tesunie, on 22 February 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

Now, I know enough to take things stated with a grain of salt, and that not all of it is going to be true... But I'm getting some serious mixed messages from Kurita. Maybe my perspective is incorrect. Maybe I'm misinformed. But so far, I'm hearing more information that seems to counter what I'm hearing from Kurita. It seems like it's an ultimate breakdown of communications to me, as I'm hearing things from Davion and Marik that seem to line up, I know what my unit was told, and then I'm hearing something completely different from Kurita.

PS: What do you consider "holding the clans at bay"? So far, I've seen a lot of territory lost, and when someone comes around to help with that front, we get rather unwelcoming messages. (Even being told you guys can handle it on your own.) We start to see progress, and then everything seemed to explode in everyone's faces. Now, I'm seeing progress that was gained being slowly taken back. (That explosion was MS attacking Kuritain worlds by the wormhole.)

We seem to be getting a lot of mixed messages from the Marik side of things as well, but when he say's "holding them at bay" I think he is referring to the fact that CSJ hasn't got any closer to Terra than they were when all the merc unit contracts ran out. We certainly lost a lot of ground to them prior to that, but at that time they outnumbered anything we could hope to muster if our loyalist units had been twice the size. And as most people have figured out by now, numbers have a huge edge on the map. Now that we can fight them in semi-equal numbers up there, the advance has stopped

[Vlad Ward]

Tesunie, on 22 February 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

So. You wanted Marik Mercs to attack Davion while we where there. Let me go through the logic here:
- Why would we need to even change alliance to fight Davion when we could have done so already?
- How far do you intend to attack Davion? (Whom from what I can tell have asked for a cease fire, and even sent some of their Mercs up to help you when Marik did, but this may be inaccurate information.)
- Are you attacking Davion and just about ignoring the clan front. Is it because you wish to run away from the Clans and create a buffer by taking Davion worlds instead? (This is what it appears to us. I'm not accusing anyone of anything.)

Merc-to-Merc, here's my understanding of the situation:

1) idk, I was CSJ when you guys moved to Kurita. I doubt anyone expected you to fight Dave, though. It was more like having SRPH and BWC on the Clan front gave Kurita enough total manpower to engage both fronts simultaneously.

2) House Kurita formally offered House Davion an opportunity for a ceasefire. All HK units and mercs were put on Defense-Only duty yesterday, and none attacked Davion until the negotiations were over (even me, and I hate ceasefires).

However, the negotiations were over pretty quickly (so quickly that I lost a bet; I thought they'd make it at least 24 hrs). Davion decided they didn't want peace after all, declared the ceasefire null, and attacked Kurita. Kurita responded in kind. I don't know who told you that Davion wanted a ceasefire, because that wasn't the message they sent to HK yesterday.

My understanding is that the Robinson's Rangers are freaking out over the fact that Robinson only has a couple planet buffer before it can come under HK attack. Therefore, instead of attempting to call a ceasefire to preserve their homeworld, they have decided that they will continue to press for war against Kurita until there is a "safe buffer zone" for their home.

Personal assessment? This is really, really dumb and they're much more likely to lose their world behind a sea of red before getting another real shot at a ceasefire.

3) I haven't seen this. Generally, Kurita will put any spare forces they have on the Clan front, but will prioritize incoming attacks from House Davion above anything else. If the Davions choose to send their entire space force at House Kurita, and it takes 6+ 12-mans to match them, then they may end up having to pull most of their forces off the Clan front. And they will, every time, because losing worlds to Davion is awful.

[Davers]

Vlad Ward, on 22 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

My understanding is that the Robinson's Rangers are freaking out over the fact that Robinson only has a couple planet buffer before it can come under HK attack. Therefore, instead of attempting to call a ceasefire to preserve their homeworld, they have decided that they will continue to press for war against Kurita until there is a "safe buffer zone" for their home.

Personal assessment? This is really, really dumb and they're much more likely to lose their world behind a sea of red before getting another real shot at a ceasefire.

It may be silly, but it's not like they are alone in those beliefs. Kurita specifically asked Marik to not take Dieron since it was a 'home world' for one of their EU units.

[Vlad Ward]

Davers, on 22 February 2015 - 06:04 PM, said:

It may be silly, but it's not like they are alone in those beliefs. Kurita specifically asked Marik to not take Dieron since it was a 'home world' for one of their EU units.

Yes. They took it anyways though, didn't they? I remember having to fight to take it back, at least.

My point is more that given the current balance of power between Kurita and Davion, it seems like it would be smarter to sue for peace when the planet still has some existing buffer than to insist on continuing a war Davion's been losing consistently for weeks now if people really care about the color of the dot that is planet Robinson.

[Tesunie]

Vlad Ward, on 22 February 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

Merc-to-Merc, here's my understanding of the situation:

Spoiler

1) idk, I was CSJ when you guys moved to Kurita. I doubt anyone expected you to fight Dave, though. It was more like having SRPH and BWC on the Clan front gave Kurita enough total manpower to engage both fronts simultaneously.

2) House Kurita formally offered House Davion an opportunity for a ceasefire. All HK units and mercs were put on Defense-Only duty yesterday, and none attacked Davion until the negotiations were over (even me, and I hate ceasefires).

However, the negotiations were over pretty quickly (so quickly that I lost a bet; I thought they'd make it at least 24 hrs). Davion decided they didn't want peace after all, declared the ceasefire null, and attacked Kurita. Kurita responded in kind. I don't know who told you that Davion wanted a ceasefire, because that wasn't the message they sent to HK yesterday.

My understanding is that the Robinson's Rangers are freaking out over the fact that Robinson only has a couple planet buffer before it can come under HK attack. Therefore, instead of attempting to call a ceasefire to preserve their homeworld, they have decided that they will continue to press for war against Kurita until there is a "safe buffer zone" for their home.

Personal assessment? This is really, really dumb and they're much more likely to lose their world behind a sea of red before getting another real shot at a ceasefire.

3) I haven't seen this. Generally, Kurita will put any spare forces they have on the Clan front, but will prioritize incoming attacks from House Davion above anything else. If the Davions choose to send their entire space force at House Kurita, and it takes 6+ 12-mans to match them, then they may end up having to pull most of their forces off the Clan front. And they will, every time, because losing worlds to Davion is awful.

Thanks for the perspective.

1. I was told (in the other thread) that Kurita wanted us to attack Davion (which we didn't get informed of). Apparently, we were expected to go after Davion? This may be part of the larger "No one seems to know what's going on" things from a breakdown of communications.

2. I wasn't referring to Yesterday. I was not aware that they were talking about that recent of an event. I'm referring to the time frame that we mercs were on loan to the time the Island was being attacked/closed. During that time frame, apparently Davion had asked for a ceasefire? At least, from what rumors I've heard here. (Which we know what happens with rumors. They are always 100% true. ) It was actually a Davion who mentioned (in one of these threads) that they had also sent some Merc units to aid Kurita. (Who then pressed a new offensive against them? (Unsure))

I've encountered the RRB before. I was not impressed with their attitudes. (No need to go into details here, okay?) I can see them not thinking ahead, as a ceasefire (if it was honored) would actually protect their home world. (They could have even asked Kurita to take a few worlds around their planet if possible to buffer it. Not an overly unreasonable request.)

3. I see that the Clans progress is slowed, but it isn't stopping. Looking at the map now, I don't feel Kurita can hold a three fronted war (Davion, CSJ and CGB). Forget if Marik actually follows through with their "war" and manages to close that gap and actually attack. As someone stated before, manpower means a lot in CW. I agree. Doesn't always matter how much you win. If you opponent gets three turret drops for every fight/victory you do, it doesn't matter if you win every time. (This is what I suspect happened with the Island, as Marik has some of their forces in FRR right now, trying to push the clans back.)

I feel, if we are to press the clans back, we need to concentrate more people on those fronts. This constant fighting amongst ourselves only increases their gains.

As far as the comment "Are you attacking Davion and just about ignoring the clan front. Is it because you wish to run away from the Clans and create a buffer by taking Davion worlds instead?" I'm just saying how it appears from looking at the map. It almost looks like Kurita is "running away from the clans" and fighting Davion instead. I'm not accusing them of this. I'm just saying what it looks like to other people. (So please, don't take this wrong.)