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[Neil Diamond]

Just like in World of Tanks. The wrong people are apparently trying to "control the best interests" and failing miserably. 9-5er's nominating themselves as oracles of the higher political being. All the while dropping papers and stuttering through a meeting.

The last time I dropped in CW was about a fortnight ago and had fun. We attacked clans and won all but one match. But then the buggy before the horse meeting happened and it has all gone to poo poo. I no longer run CW because I will not be a pawn in anyone's personal agenda, nor be involved to ruin someone else's fun. I deal with enough politics in my everyday life and refuse to involve myself with it in a cartoon game, with a cartoon map, piloting cartoon robots.

But as much as HK had me shaking my head in the other thread that approaches 50 pages. This thread was basically an olive branch that seems to have been refused. HM diplomacy fail. The Star League was an epic mistake in hindsight and I could hit valid point after valid point in support of that statement. If failing at "being diplomatic" is your bag, then I want no part in any of it.

In closing, I have quite a long list of friends in game from every faction and enjoy their company on Comstar and NGNG. Especially the 228 guys. You guys are top shelf, don't talk smack, but will make damn sure I play my sharpest as an opponent and that is why I play this game.

Edited by War 4H, 21 February 2015 - 07:19 AM.

[Catamount]

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Lone forum warrior comes in to pick fight and fails at diplomacy, accuses others of picking fights and failing at diplomacy. I am much impress.

Edited by Catamount, 21 February 2015 - 07:40 AM.

[Neil Diamond]

I am picking nothing. Accusations? No, it is the truth and keep protecting team killers.

You also took the bait. Keep swinging champ.

Edit: Viewing my profile again......Only one of us is a keyboard warrior and it is not myself.

Edited by War 4H, 21 February 2015 - 07:52 AM.

[PerfectDuck]

InRev, on 20 February 2015 - 10:30 AM, said:

Can everyone take a second off from trolling Roadbeer to answer my question, please?

What assurances do we have that Kurita will play nice, considering the reputation for unreliability that HK currently has amongst the rank-and-file? House Marik isn't a dictatorship; nor is it dominated by a few large units. We're a chaotic mess of personalities where decision-making is majority-based and right now we're a bit on-edge about HK's dependability.

So what kind of gesture or assurance can be offered?

I felt like this post got really swept under. First off, I am not entirely sure to what 'unreliability' is being brought up here. Our rank-and-file listen to the leadership and to my best of knowledge Kurita has particularly few rogue and random groups in the grand scheme of things. Do you mean the fact that we have a 6-unit council that may take as much as 2 days to decide on major issues such as the closing of the wormhole? This is Kurita's crowning achievement, don't see what's unreliable about our council. Or was the shutting down of the wormhole experiment going to be forever seen as a failure in Marik eyes? To us, it was nice and stable for a long time, then hemmoraged out of control and had to be put down. We in Kurita never saw this as *our* failure. What happened recently was merely a difference in point of view. One side's relief in having a solution is the other side's horror of disaster.

The fact of the matter is, Kurita is not unpredictable, is not unreliable, nor is it inconsistent. Going forward into the future, consider that for us, all matters are closed now. It's a done deal; it has been sealed away. We believe ourselves sitting well in our current position and have no further agenda with which to push against any other IS houses. Consider it like a dragon that is laying content in its disdain. There is no insult made here; it is simply the Kuritan belief that we're done for now.

What assurances do you have that Kurita will play nice? It's simple. Don't declare war on Kurita, don't harass and annoy Kurita, and most of all, do not betray Kurita. We are proud and strong but not at all unreasonable. You play nice with us and we play nice with you. We have absolutely no interest in expanding into Marik territory. Does Marik have interest in expanding into Kurita territory? At this time, we're going to probably politely refuse. It's 100% Marik's choice whether to start hostilities or not. For repeat, Kurita is content to sit where it is with regard to the state of Inner Sphere houses. I think Marik is what, +66 worlds now taken from other IS factions? Not a bad place to quit while ahead. Let's take it to the clans shall we?

[Tesunie]

Catamount, on 21 February 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

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Lone forum warrior comes in to pick fight and fails at diplomacy, accuses others of picking fights and failing at diplomacy. I am much impress.

Now you are acting like the group of people that we've been asking to stop acting that way (not all Kuritains, just a small group of them to be clear). We can't ask them to stop if we are going to act the same exact way.

To each other no less.



War 4H, I respect and understand your position in all of this. The "olive branch" here was not necessarily ignored or refused. Talks are happening from my knowledge between each side's higher ups. But it's hard to take a peace offering when other members (not Lord Ikka) of their command seem to support the people which are making us irritated, if not joining into those same actions.

I'm all for peace, but Kurita command should clean up their acts before I can respect them again. NKVA group can be ignored. The House Kurita command is a bit harder to ignore.

[Roadbeer]

War 4H, on 21 February 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

The wrong people are apparently trying to "control the best interests" and failing miserably. 9-5er's nominating themselves as oracles of the higher political being. All the while dropping papers and stuttering through a meeting.

Then feel free to step up.

The decisions made by command, on our side at least, occur through a 24/7 chat scroll where every unit commander/XO (merc and loyalist) has access to, all voices have equal weight. And through that, a consensus is formed.

Believe me, most of the people you see as "leaders" of Marik, don't really want the job. We started out as either organizing events internally, or building the website/TS. Nobody else has really stepped up to take our place or even shown an interest in doing so.

Just as an example, in my unit's bays I have a room titled "SWTOR - NO MWO DISCUSSIONS". Care to guess how many people pop in there to discuss MWO nightly? I can barely get a solid hour of playtime in another game without having to deal with some MWO related issue.

So for you to say "the wrong people are making decisions" when you haven't show the slightest interest in being one of those people, is a tad disingenuous.

Just sayin'

Edited by Roadbeer, 21 February 2015 - 10:11 AM.

[Neil Diamond]

I don't want to spend hours not playing the game and wasting said time with NAP's that will get broken. Sorry man, I enjoy playing the game, but I am correct because the posts in here show it.....in spades. Egos coupled with the internet are a fickle beast. I have volunteered time on Boards for Organizations that I have been a member of and went to the State Capitol. Doing so was productive as it kept 80+ miles of trails open to the public and I never got paid for it. This is a game.......

Furthermore, I see those "in charge" acting just as much of a douche, as their pretend adversaries are being called out as. The question is who will be the first to step up and stop the pointless jabs?

My posts have been blunt, to the point constructional criticism of factual observations from my vantage point. Which are in turn corroborated by others. However, faction members see fit to try and bully others because of their post count. I realize the point of even this post is lost and is probably pointless. So I will leave the diplomacy to the self-appointed experts.

[Roadbeer]

War 4H, on 21 February 2015 - 11:44 AM, said:

I don't want to spend hours not playing the game and wasting said time with NAP's that will get broken. Sorry man, I enjoy playing the game, but I am correct because the posts in here show it.....in spades. Egos coupled with the internet are a fickle beast. I have volunteered time on Boards for Organizations that I have been a member of and went to the State Capitol. Doing so was productive as it kept 80+ miles of trails open to the public and I never got paid for it. This is a game.......

Furthermore, I see those "in charge" acting just as much of a douche, as their pretend adversaries are being called out as. The question is who will be the first to step up and stop the pointless jabs?

My posts have been blunt, to the point constructional criticism of factual observations from my vantage point. Which are in turn corroborated by others. However, faction members see fit to try and bully others because of their post count. I realize the point of even this post is lost and is probably pointless. So I will leave the diplomacy to the self-appointed experts.

So, you're not stepping up then.

Got it.

[Neil Diamond]

Roadbeer, on 21 February 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

So, you're not stepping up then.

Got it.

The attitudes of others dictate my willingness and that message appears to be lost.

[YCSLiesmith]

Lord Ikka, on 20 February 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

With the closure of the wormhole, I urge both House Kurita and Marik warriors to step back and cease the forum taunting.

no.

[MischiefSC]

I'm all for the taunting. Just move it to the other thread.

We're shooting for 50 pages there. Why are you wasting posts here? That thread is for trash talk. This is for awkward hugs, changing the subject and pretending there wasn't a shirt-coming-off beer-throwing drunken brawl started by some unflattering comments about your wife and how big DAT A$$ is when you invited your buddy over for Christmas Dinner.

'So, uh, how's your wife? Err.... I mean, how about that Super Bowl!'

[Mycrus]

YCSLiesmith, on 21 February 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

no.

Me likey.

[Catamount]

Tesunie, on 21 February 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

Now you are acting like the group of people that we've been asking to stop acting that way (not all Kuritains, just a small group of them to be clear). We can't ask them to stop if we are going to act the same exact way.

To each other no less.



War 4H, I respect and understand your position in all of this. The "olive branch" here was not necessarily ignored or refused. Talks are happening from my knowledge between each side's higher ups. But it's hard to take a peace offering when other members (not Lord Ikka) of their command seem to support the people which are making us irritated, if not joining into those same actions.

I'm all for peace, but Kurita command should clean up their acts before I can respect them again. NKVA group can be ignored. The House Kurita command is a bit harder to ignore.

Fair enough and apologies, but then, War isn't a Kuritan. He's wearing Marik colors and attempting to precipitate the very inter-faction tensions he throws around accusations of and explicitly states he's not here to attempt any constructive activity.

In any case, there are clearly issues to resolve between our factions, but I think what's needed more than anything is just communication on what we're doing in the first place, on both sides. You can't solely point at Kurita for forum trolls, and honestly, it seems far too little communication has taken place in the wake of things here, or leading up to them. Our leadership wasn't even aware that elements of Kurita were open to sitting down and having a discussion when they were first offering a dialogue. It was some grand surprise for the leadership present at the time when I went to my superior with that information after some discussion with NS. That alone suggests a fairly serious breakdown to me. Don't even get me started on the wildly divergent narratives that seem to have formed between the two factions on events that lead up to the wormhole fight.

Even now, I'm not sure any significant communication has gone on between factions, though I hope it has. It hasn't been indicated to me by contacts in either faction.

I think all of this can be avoided in the future just by having better lines of communication and better staying on the same page, and above all, at this point, by trying to refrain from pointing at either leadership and saying "but they're supporting [insert grievance]!". There will be a place for that later in discussions, but right now, all I see openly is both sides' leadership calling to tone that down.

Edited by Catamount, 21 February 2015 - 06:30 PM.

[Tesunie]

Catamount, on 21 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Fair enough and apologies, but then, War isn't a Kuritan. He's wearing Marik colors and attempting to precipitate the very inter-faction tensions he throws around accusations of and explicitly states he's not here to attempt any constructive activity.

War 4H is just stating his opinion. He's entitled to it, and I feel he stated it in a rather respectful manner. He wants this to just be a game, drop in to matches, and go. I can understand that. We want this game to be this epic space opera like the books would portray with political intrigue, diplomacy, large troop movements and formations, etc. Each view is good for the game. Each view should respect the other as well. We can work together to try and make this a game we each can enjoy. He can get his matches in, while we work on all the diplomacy we want.



As far as any high commander's actions and attitudes... A Commander needs to hold themselves (even you Roadbeer, though I tend to see your "troll" posts as more fun posts that everyone can laugh at, or are troll posts to troll the trolls...) to a certain degree of bearing and respect. They need to have proper behavior. They have to have a better image than just any ordinary person. Their words and actions are taken with far more weight than just "some other person".

Right now, from what I've seen, some Kurita commanders do not have this bearing. I started out respecting them, but their actions have shown me that they are not worthy of the respect their position should command.

Lord Ikka, from what I have seen, is worthy of respect. He has my respect from his actions here so far. I wish him much luck in smoothing this mess out. He is someone I would call an honorable man. He is worthy of the respect of his position, and is worthy of having his position. Because of his bearing he holds himself to from what I've seen here, I can believe what he says.

[Neil Diamond]

Tesunie, on 21 February 2015 - 09:08 PM, said:

War 4H is just stating his opinion. He's entitled to it, and I feel he stated it in a rather respectful manner. He wants this to just be a game, drop in to matches, and go. I can understand that. We want this game to be this epic space opera like the books would portray with political intrigue, diplomacy, large troop movements and formations, etc. Each view is good for the game. Each view should respect the other as well. We can work together to try and make this a game we each can enjoy. He can get his matches in, while we work on all the diplomacy we want.



As far as any high commander's actions and attitudes... A Commander needs to hold themselves (even you Roadbeer, though I tend to see your "troll" posts as more fun posts that everyone can laugh at, or are troll posts to troll the trolls...) to a certain degree of bearing and respect. They need to have proper behavior. They have to have a better image than just any ordinary person. Their words and actions are taken with far more weight than just "some other person".

Right now, from what I've seen, some Kurita commanders do not have this bearing. I started out respecting them, but their actions have shown me that they are not worthy of the respect their position should command.

Lord Ikka, from what I have seen, is worthy of respect. He has my respect from his actions here so far. I wish him much luck in smoothing this mess out. He is someone I would call an honorable man. He is worthy of the respect of his position, and is worthy of having his position. Because of his bearing he holds himself to from what I've seen here, I can believe what he says.

Ty Tesunie. I have come to realize that only the most exhalted in my faction are allowed to post any sort of opinion. Instead, these types of posts are encouraged from the omniscient:

Monkey Lover, on 21 February 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

Once we start playing knowing they're using long range builds with aimbot and radar reveal hacks it should be easy to start killing them. What I find really said is how they're paying for these cheats ..

Monkey Lover, on 21 February 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

Not all of them of course but a lot of them we played were. Problem was we played the same people over and over that night. I didn't want to say anything because I knew I get replies like yours. It's easy to tell. Few examples at a start of a match you see the other team start ejecting because you all have heavy mechs or lights.You see a mech jump off a cliff at 1500 m holding aim on your center all the way down.

Just remember aimbot is not crazy like most people think. It can't headshot you from 1500m the netcode would never work.

Monkey Lover, on 21 February 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

I know what I saw . I held it in because I know most people have no idea about it. I can tell you don't too because aimbot doesn't really matter it's the reveal that win matches. It's not like.these guys don't have skills.

[Tesunie]

War 4H, on 21 February 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

Ty Tesunie. I have come to realize that only the most exhalted in my faction are allowed to post any sort of opinion. Instead, these types of posts are encouraged from the omniscient:

Those are from the other thread, if I am correct.

You have to realize, that thread has become a place that people are just posting joke posts about this point. I don't think anyone (besides myself) are being overly serious there anymore...

But yeah. I agree with you. Anyone in a command position should hold themselves to a bit higher standard than the average person. It's one of the "perks" of command...

I personally have no issue with anyone who posts their opinion. Expect counter opinions of course. As long as it's all being done with respect, I see no problems.


Edit: For the record, though I can't comment on Monkey's matches as I wasn't there, I have had a couple of matches where I suspected something (aimbot) was afoul. It isn't often and it isn't common. (It's a dead giveaway when (old hitboxes) a single person manages to keep a LL full duration on a fast mechs (Raven, and then Cicada) CT for a death spiral, and not splash any damage to a side torso at all. There is skill, and there is "This doesn't seem humanly possible". So, can I believe his "accusations". Yes. Did it really happen? Not sure.

Edited by Tesunie, 21 February 2015 - 10:18 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

Keeping a laser on a Raven (longest horizontal hitbox ever) or a Cicada (massive bulb torso) for 1.5 seconds or so is "not humanly possible?"

Wow. Kay.

[Monkey Lover]

Vlad Ward, on 22 February 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

Keeping a laser on a Raven (longest horizontal hitbox ever) or a Cicada (massive bulb torso) for 1.5 seconds or so is "not humanly possible?"

Wow. Kay.

so you are not able to see outside the box for 2 seconds? If you're jumping of a hill, not zoom, in hitting the center off a moving mech 1300m away with er lasers the whole time. Doing it over and over i would say its not humanly possible.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 22 February 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[Tasker]

Monkey Lover, on 22 February 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

so you are not able to see outside the box for 2 seconds? If you're jumping of a hill, not zoom, in hitting the center off a moving mech 1300m away with er lasers the whole time. Doing it over and over i would say its not humanly possible.

Used to play quake 3 and many other first person shooters. Mechwarrior Online is easy mode compared to other game.

Get weight up.

[Vlad Ward]

Monkey Lover, on 22 February 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

so you are not able to see outside the box for 2 seconds? If you're jumping of a hill, not zoom, in hitting the center off a moving mech 1300m away with er lasers the whole time. Doing it over and over i would say its not humanly possible.

Tasker, on 22 February 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

Used to play quake 3 and many other first person shooters. Mechwarrior Online is easy mode compared to other game.

Get weight up.

^ What he said.

Just because you can't do something doesn't mean other people can't. Protip: Oversized monitors make aiming a lot easier. I know a guy who plays with a 35" TV where everything is just bigger.

Denying that cheats exist in some form, in some place, for some people somewhere to use is silly.

But the fact remains that 105% of the time when people in MWO complain about the opposing team cheating, it's because they're so far below the level of their opponents that their egos would crack under the strain of acknowledging how bad they are. 105%.

The Inner Sphere is the kiddie pool of CW - The Southern Houses especially. Splash around with Davion if you want. Tremble in awe of their 5 LRM Atlas rushes. But when you turn around and find someone's cored you out from 1300m away, know that it's not because they're super leet haxxors - they're just that much better than you.