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[InRev]

Lord Ikka, on 20 February 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

InRev- HK sticks to its word, just ask the FRR about our rock solid truce.

I'm talking more about your bad decision making, poor planning and strategic myopia.

The wormhole was the only way to get House Marik onto the clan front once they started bulldozing towards Terra. However, when FRR needed help most, HK thought it best to:

1) Attack Davion, preventing their few remaining players from defending FRR and shifting HK forces to the Davion front instead of shoring up FRR defenses
2) Close down the wormhole, once again tying up HK forces in the attack and Marik forces in the defense. Meanwhile, the FRR is still clinging to life

So, the net result is that Marik loses a Clan front and the FRR loses possible defenders from three factions, and all of this is due to HK's decisions. Your "word" may be reliable, but your decision making is absolutely suspect. I don't care what you say you're going to do, but I do care about what you do, and what I have seen has been nothing but detrimental to the defense against the Clans. And for what? What was the purpose of this? Bragging right? Chest-beating? Bruised ego due to MS's success?

This is what I am referring to when I speak of reliability as an ally.

[YourSaviorLegion]

Comment of the day goes to:

HARDKOR, on 20 February 2015 - 08:24 AM, said:

Clan mortal combat and clan purple bird treaty would ruin forumwarrior online.

Think of the balance, people, think of the balance.

[hopterque]

InRev, on 20 February 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

I'm talking more about your bad decision making, poor planning and strategic myopia.

The wormhole was the only way to get House Marik onto the clan front once they started bulldozing towards Terra. However, when FRR needed help most, HK thought it best to:

1) Attack Davion, preventing their few remaining players from defending FRR and shifting HK forces to the Davion front instead of shoring up FRR defenses
2) Close down the wormhole, once again tying up HK forces in the attack and Marik forces in the defense. Meanwhile, the FRR is still clinging to life

So, the net result is that Marik loses a Clan front and the FRR loses possible defenders from three factions, and all of this is due to HK's decisions. Your "word" may be reliable, but your decision making is absolutely suspect. I don't care what you say you're going to do, but I do care about what you do, and what I have seen has been nothing but detrimental to the defense against the Clans. And for what? What was the purpose of this? Bragging right? Chest-beating? Bruised ego due to MS's success?

This is what I am referring to when I speak of reliability as an ally.

Literally not a single thing stated as fact in this post is correct and I'm a huge fan, tbh.

Seriously, if you're trying to actually get something done with HK leadership, pm them, get in teamspeak, hash things out.
You posting a bunch of stuff that is at best seriously, almost improbably misinformed who knows what, and trying to get answers about it, is probably not gonna get you the answers or results you're looking for.

Edited by hopterque, 20 February 2015 - 11:47 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Its funny how freaked out they are. They know they screwed up big this time.

[hopterque]

Monkey Lover, on 20 February 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

Its funny how freaked out they are. They know they screwed up big this time.

Who, Roadbeer?

e: i feel like this needs a silly sound effect, so

Edited by hopterque, 20 February 2015 - 11:51 AM.

[Tesunie]

An Anime Princess, on 20 February 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

you're insane if you think i'm trying to actually troll you instead of give you advice. as long as you let people get you fired up and mad with really flimsy and quick comments then you're not going to have a good time. i guess if you want to think this is an insult then sure go ahead dude

what is it that old book says about turning the other cheek?

I did not say that the post I quoted was a problem. Previous posts by you personally, and others of your unit, have left a very sour taste in the mouth about working for DC when we (I) had a contract with Kurita. First impressions and all...

The Bible says to turn the other cheek. It doesn't say to turn the other other other cheek. It also doesn't say to just lay down and let people do as they please to you. Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, for others and for your own moral code. Other times, you have to extricate yourself from a situation (or just ignore the troll posts, which is why I have responded to these posts, as I don't see them as trollish).

I merely have stated here what i feel, why I feel that why, and what would make me feel happier and let this whole event blow over. Right now, I don't mind a war between us (Marik and Kurita). At this moment, I feel it's been justified.



It wouldn't take very much to make me start asking for peace again. But, consider all the wasted effort we've done trying to connect to that Island, and drive the attack path upwards as agreed. Consider how close we where when the project got unceremoniously "shut down" by Kurita. You could have delayed and negotiated a bit longer. Given us a chance to try and get it to work. We spend a lot of effort trying to connect, fighting through Davion and Steiner territory.

A little more time would have been good. A little more discussion. We did not press the Island expansion after MS, as we could have. We let it sit there and tried to work it out. You guys (Kurita, not you personally) just decreed it to be closed and started on the action. You may have PMed parties in command in Marik, but you gave no time for it to process before you started your attack. Even then, from everything I've seen, we didn't start to throw resistance (besides a few people not under direction of Command) until the island was already almost gone.


I'd also like to remind you all, who wants to rub the victories into Marik's face about the Island, we still have several units out trying to help against the clans. Did you factor in the fewer troops into your victory celebrations?


All I would have asked about the Island is that Kurita leave one world to Marik in that space, so as to not leave the option completely closed. Now, it is closed and gone for good. I fear this was not a well thought out idea...

[hopterque]

Tesunie, on 20 February 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

I'd also like to remind you all, who wants to rub the victories into Marik's face about the Island, we still have several units out trying to help against the clans. Did you factor in the fewer troops into your victory celebrations?

According to my calculations, oh wait it's too late now.

[Tesunie]

hopterque, on 20 February 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

According to my calculations, oh wait it's too late now.

Too late now... But if we DO go to war, and all those unit return... Are you still so confident to "boast" about a guaranteed victory?

I'd still rather not war on another House when we have Clans that need to be dealt with. But, I'll fight Kurita if I must as I feel this would currently be justified.

I personally am not even asking for all that much. I don't think Marik really ever asked for all that much. Kurita's problem here was that they acted too rashly, too quickly, and didn't wait just a couple of days (maybe even a week) for Marik to formulate a response.

The act of closing the Island down so quickly without really consulting us is just one factor to things currently. The persistent attitudes of some Kuritains on these forums is but just one additional thing keeping the pot stirred.

(PS: I don't mind funny joke posts. However, it's only funny if all parties knows, considers, and treats said posts as jokes. If one side starts to feel insulted, the other side should explain that they are joking, clarify the jokes meaning if needed, and then let all parties move on from there.)

(Edit: It double posted for some strange reason.)

Edited by Tesunie, 20 February 2015 - 12:08 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

InRev, on 20 February 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

I'm talking more about your bad decision making, poor planning and strategic myopia.

The wormhole was the only way to get House Marik onto the clan front once they started bulldozing towards Terra. However, when FRR needed help most, HK thought it best to:

1) Attack Davion, preventing their few remaining players from defending FRR and shifting HK forces to the Davion front instead of shoring up FRR defenses
2) Close down the wormhole, once again tying up HK forces in the attack and Marik forces in the defense. Meanwhile, the FRR is still clinging to life

So, the net result is that Marik loses a Clan front and the FRR loses possible defenders from three factions, and all of this is due to HK's decisions. Your "word" may be reliable, but your decision making is absolutely suspect. I don't care what you say you're going to do, but I do care about what you do, and what I have seen has been nothing but detrimental to the defense against the Clans. And for what? What was the purpose of this? Bragging right? Chest-beating? Bruised ego due to MS's success?

This is what I am referring to when I speak of reliability as an ally.

So much wrong with this, I don't know where to start. First of all, MARIK has also been taking worlds from Davion. Second, with the wormhole closed we won't ever have to worry about any merc units returning to divert our forces away from other fronts.

Marik never had a clan front, so could not have lost one. Who knows how long it would have taken for that to happen.

MS success has been somewhat exagerrated, there were many good, fun fights in that engagement. BUT, we can fight them as CGB and make actual progress instead of just trying to halt them in our back yard.

We keep explaining why we wanted the wormhole shut and you keep naming other ridiculous reasons. The fact is, we saw it as a huge long term risk. It is another front that we have to worry about and would rather not ever have to divert forces there again, just because a strong merc group decides they want to have some fun there.


There have been decisions being mentioned in HK that ultimately would have been in the best interest of all the inner sphere, between Marik's surprise attack (you guys really should have came forward and talked to HK leadership first) and Davion now starting to flex its muscles more, the future has been somewhat shaken up.

[hopterque]

Tesunie, on 20 February 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Too late now... But if we DO go to war, and all those unit return... Are you still so confident to "boast" about a guaranteed victory?

*looks at your sig*

Oh god literally a thousand times yes.


e: I can't even express in words how confident I am that we would beat the snot out of you.

Edited by hopterque, 20 February 2015 - 12:14 PM.

[Katzenwolf]

As a Temporary Steiner pilot. I'm sitting back and laughing.


- Lol.

[hopterque]

hopterque, on 20 February 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

*looks at your sig*

Oh god literally a thousand times yes.


e: I can't even express in words how confident I am that we would beat the snot out of you.

Dear Coordinator hasn't stopped laughing in like 5 minutes now and I'm getting worried, seriously.


e: Ok crisis over he's breathing normally that was close.

Edited by hopterque, 20 February 2015 - 12:18 PM.

[wanderer]

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The wormhole was the only way to get House Marik onto the clan front once they started bulldozing towards Terra. However, when FRR needed help most, HK thought it best to:

The rest of this fails the second you realize that although Marik can't take worlds from the Clans, they can stop them cold simply by queuing up at the FRR (or Kurita, even now) border and shooting Clanners in the face until the cows come home.

Fun experiment though it was, the Marik Island wasn't needed and ended up a liability. Kurita has two significant enemies, the Clans and Davion. Only one can be reliably removed in short order.

And again, kicking Davion in the teeth while talking about "Soft ceasefires" is silly as well, especially as they're gnawing on Steiner for good measure.

Remove the Federated Suns from any level of power in the Inner Sphere. Marik can have one side, Kurita the other, and the Confederation will be happy to remain the good fence that makes good neighbors while we all kick the vatborn freaks into the outer darkness from whence they came.

Both of you want dead Clanners, both of you should realize that Davion is only an impediment to your ultimate goals and the discord sowed between you comes straight from those that fear that ascendancy. The FRR (and of course, Liao) is friendly to you both, Steiner is too weak to resist your might (they can't even resist Davion), Davion can be crushed as well, and then?

The Clans will be scoured from the Inner Sphere. The remaining states will prosper, we will chase the chemical waste of Kerensky to where-ever they come from and tear their technological treasures from their cold, dead, manufactured hands. A golden age for the enlightened states of the Inner Sphere, a final condemnation to the forces of sloth, chaos, and meaningless war.

Or, we can continue to cry as the rabble-rousers in your ranks delight in seeing the juggernaut of destiny, instead turned in circles and confusion to crush itself.

Which will it be? Three great armies turned towards victory, or two arguing and sniping with one another while the third watches them waste themselves in vain?

[Richter Kerensky]

Tesunie, on 20 February 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

And this is why you keep sinking yourself. You so casually toss around insults, and then expect no reprocusion? You think it's funny to make other people feel "bad" or to try and run their names into the ground? It's not funny. Never was.

Dude you and us were obviously never going to get along, you seem set on not even attempting to listen to what we have to say because we're committing the heinous crime of trash talking people. You had your mind made up about us way the hell before any of this happened.

[Tesunie]

Richter B., on 20 February 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Dude you and us were obviously never going to get along, you seem set on not even attempting to listen to what we have to say because we're committing the heinous crime of trash talking people. You had your mind made up about us way the hell before any of this happened.

Actually, at first I had a lot of respect for Kurita. There are some members that I still feel I can respect. But it doesn't take much to be turned away.

I take each person by their own accords. So far, I don't recall any issues between you and I. Other people from Kurita... are a different matter altogether.

I respect those who treat me and others with respect. I don't mind fun posts either. However, there is a limit to when "fun posts" are no longer fun and are just plain insulting. NKVA so far has pressed themselves nicely into the latter statement. Their "fun posts" are not fun. They aren't even funny. They have been nothing but hostile and offensive.


As far as between you and I, you don't carry the NKVA tags and I don't recall any previous encounters with you (and even then if we did, I tend to try and take each encounter with a person differently, unless proven otherwise by their own actions). I have no problems with you at this time. Same with much of Kurita's pilots. I have no problems with much of Kurita, but the "vocal minority" that have been responding here have been "less than welcoming" to say the least.

[hopterque]

As Dear Coordinator Says, "Judge Not, That Ye Be Not Judged"

[MischiefSC]

'Marik can stop the Clans cold by just defending on the FRR front'.

Ah. So southern house units dropping defense on the northern houses borders stops Clan units.

Go ahead and explain that one to Kurita. They've already expressed plenty on the value of that, I'd love to hear them share their opinion of its worth with you.

[Tesunie]

hopterque, on 20 February 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

As Dear Coordinator Says, "Judge Not, That Ye Be Not Judged"

I think you are getting expressions from two highly respectable people confused... I believe someone else said that line.

[hopterque]

Tesunie, on 20 February 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think you are getting expressions from two highly respectable people confused... I believe someone else said that line.

The ISF agent behind me just assured me that it was Dear Coordinator who said that, and I believe him 100%. What reason would he have to lie?

[Stingr4y]

Please remember Ikka's OP. New times ahead. This is about water under the bridge. People said their peace, but it seems like the last two pages are points and debates I have read about several times before.

Roadbeer agreed that he is game to keep it toned down, but you have to admit, there is still a lot of egging on, and both Ikka and I are wanting to see all this behind us.

Negative posts after this...........well, I guess it will just be inevitable. People need the last words. I have done what I can, and some of you may know I will NOT stop at cooling everybody down.

This is beta, everybody. All the talk about planets gained and lost......it will all go away with a map reset. Guess where all that talk will go?

Data can be reset easily, but relationships take a while to restart.