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[Metus regem]

FupDup, on 25 February 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

I imagine that they would work similar to Clan ACs, but be a burst Gauss instead. HAGs are actually described as being similar to a "Rotary Gauss" (TechManual) and their damage allocation was done in individual pellet clusters instead of a big lump.

I just worry that PGI would drop the ball and treat it like LB-X canister shot.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metus regem, on 25 February 2015 - 09:34 AM, said:

I just worry that PGI would drop the ball and treat it like LB-X canister shot.

Always visualized HAGs as magnetically driven versions of metal storm:

[FupDup]

Metus regem, on 25 February 2015 - 09:34 AM, said:

I just worry that PGI would drop the ball and treat it like LB-X canister shot.

I would hope that they'd recognize that only the Silver Bullet was meant to be a Gauss-LBX, and that HAGs just used the cluster table to represent the full-auto burst instead of being a shotgun...

[Tom Sawyer]

In CW I doubt any serious IS team is running a DDC. If and when PGI gives the Atlas articulated arms so it stops shooting into the ground it just might be a likely to be a serious CW choice.

As it stands now the meta is bring a raven c and rotate that slot as need between your team mates so that the clan lurm showers can be mitigated somewhat.

[Aethon]

Want to trade ECM heavy for IS-style AC's?

[Metus regem]

Aethon, on 25 February 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Want to trade ECM heavy for IS-style AC's?

You might want to toss in their cooler and shorter burn time lasers / pulse lasers too...

Most fights happen at knife fight ranges anyways, so our longer reach isn't much of an issue as they make it out to be...

[Mystere]

And the never ending march towards 1-on-1 parity continues unabated.

[Aethon]

Mystere, on 25 February 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

And the never ending march towards 1-on-1 parity IS superiority continues unabated.

Fixed that for you.

[Nori Silverrage]

Honestly I'm kind of bummed that none of the resistance mechs have ECM. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to a IS heavy getting one. I don't know that they need it per se.

[IronLichRich]

Wasn't there a vote between grasshopper/black knight put up a while back?

Also, I would not be opposed to a time jump
(Mainly because I really want a fafnir)

[LT. HARDCASE]

Rhaythe, on 25 February 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Having an ECM assault is an incredibly strong advantage. Pointing to the Hellbringer is just deflecting the issue.

Works both ways.

But can you actually list any advantages to choosing a 100 ton DDC, over the 65 ton Hellbringer?

Edited by Kevjack, 25 February 2015 - 10:24 AM.

[Metus regem]

Kevjack, on 25 February 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

But can you actually list any advantages to choosing a 100 ton DDC, over the 65 ton Hellbringer?

Raven 3L is pretty good too....

Mind you the Shadow Cat will be a much better ECM platform than the Artic Cheetah if you ask me.

[Simbacca]

FupDup, on 25 February 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

I still kinda wish for some differences among their stuff...


SRMs could maybe fire in Streams to make them suckier at short-range twitch brawling, but have longer range and lower spread so that they were better for midrange skirmishing or something.

Streaks could maybe target aimed-at body parts instead of being randomized for Clans.

Maybe a different jamming mechanic for Clan Ultras (i.e. jam bar instead of randomized?)

Clan MGs could maybe be better crit-seekers than the IS, while IS MGs would tear armor faster. Maybe make Clan MGs somewhat "frontloaded" into a short burst but for less DPS than a full-auto IS MG. Flamers might be able to do something similar.

Gauss...maybe IS Gauss could be more durable than Clan Gauss, I guess...

There is still time for that because CW is still Beta.

[Aethon]

Kevjack, on 25 February 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

But can you actually list any advantages to choosing a 100 ton DDC, over the 65 ton Hellbringer?

The AS7-D-DC mounts WAY more armor.
A superior AC/20.
Said AC/20 can be mounted in conjunction with 3 SRM6's and 2 Medium Lasers.
The arms shield the torso far better.
It does not have to have an XL engine.
Its lasers have shorter duration and generate less heat, lending to far better brawling.

Edited by Aethon, 25 February 2015 - 02:08 PM.

[Beastbear]

Kevjack, on 25 February 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

But can you actually list any advantages to choosing a 100 ton DDC, over the 65 ton Hellbringer?

better yet op, do a serious comparison between the lynx, kitfox, spider, raven, commando and pirates bane. out of those 6 mechs there's lucky to be 4 considered even half decent and the clanner is at the bottom of that list.

Edit: the only thing that really makes the hbr a "good" ecm mech is that the module that mounts ecm plus the state of clan weaponry + it's hitboxes pretty much forces a lasvomit build, which then works best in packs rather than doing the lone wolf thing with lights

Edited by Beastbear, 25 February 2015 - 11:33 AM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I will gladly trade my ECM Assault for an ECM heavy. Heavies can move with the front and take up fewer CW resources, Assaults are slow and require more tonnage.

An ECM Heavy is better than an ECM Assoult for CW, so anyone who points at the DDC is DDdodging the issue.

[Metus regem]

Prosperity Park, on 25 February 2015 - 11:28 AM, said:

I will gladly trade my ECM Assault for an ECM heavy. Heavies can move with the front and take up fewer CW resources, Assaults are slow and require more tonnage.

An ECM Heavy is better than an ECM Assoult for CW, so anyone who points at the DDC is DDdodging the issue.

Having seen a Steniner Scout company in action this last week during a CW match (I was defending a Jade Falcon planet against Stenier's), there is a lot to be said for 12 Atlas DDC's working together....

[MerryIguana]

Aethon, on 25 February 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Said AC/20 can be mounted in conjunction with 3 SRM6's and 4 Medium Lasers.

It can mount CT weaponry.

Have you ever even used a DDC? It has 2!! energy mounts and nothing in the ct.

[Necromantion]

More mediocre IS pilots whining because they cant play the game for crap.

/thread

[clanwolf3050]

Apnu, on 25 February 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

So the clans have a ECM heavy, the Loki (I'm a sphereoid so I like the IS names for clan mechs, but to the rest of you, its the Hellbringer). Why not the Inner Sphere?

Since Clan Wave III will have the Shadow Cat, and that's a 3058 mech, that tells us the time line has gone out the window. In the list below, the Anvil and War Dog are closest to the current 3050 year for the IS, both being introduced in 3055.

Here's a list of canon Inner Sphere mechs, with weights and dates.

Heavies
Dragon Fire (60 tons, 3058) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dragon_Fire
Anvil (60 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Anvil
War Dog (75 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/War_Dog
Toyama (75 tons, 3060, WoB) http://www.sarna.net...ama_(BattleMech)

Lights
Hermes (30 tons, 2750) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hermes
Hitman (30 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hitman
Scarabus (30 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Scarabus
Spector (35 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector
FS9-O (omnimech build of Firestarter, 3058) http://www.sarna.net...arter_(OmniMech)
Firestarter FS9-S1 (35 tons, 2750) http://www.sarna.net...ter_(BattleMech)

Mediums
Komodo (45 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Komodo
Hunchback (50 tons, 3068, 3069) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hunchback
Men Shen (55 tons, 3060) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Men_Shen

Assaults
Hauptmann (95 tons, 3060) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hauptmann
Sirocco (95 tons, 3060, quad) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sirocco
Gunslinger (85 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Gunslinger
Berserker (100 tons, 3055) http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Berserker

You forgot the GRF-2N the SLDF's Royal Griffin 55 tons and introduced in 2751.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Griffin

Edited by clanwolf3050, 25 February 2015 - 11:47 AM.