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[clanwolf3050]

Vanguard836, on 25 February 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

For comparison purpose, only mech currently available at the moment, does not count announced. :

IS has 4 lights with ECM, Clans have 2
IS has 1 medium with ECM, Clans have 0
IS has 0 heavy with ECM, Clans have 1
IS has 1 assault with ECM, Clans have 0


With currently announced chassis included the numbers will change to :

IS has 4 lights with ECM, Clans have 3
IS has 1 medium with ECM, Clans have 1
IS has 0 heavy with ECM, Clans have 1
IS has 1 assault with ECM, Clans have 0

Is it necessary to match both factions completely ?

Your counts are wrong as every Kit fox can carry ECM as long as they take the C Arm. So for lights the Clans currently have 8 ECM lights. Not every Spider can take a ECM. Now I'm fine with Clans having an ECM Heavy. Just because one group has X,Y or Z doesn't mean the other must have it too. I would like to see a larger verity of IS ECM mechs though.

Edited by clanwolf3050, 25 February 2015 - 05:21 PM.

[Vanguard836]

clanwolf3050, on 25 February 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

Your counts are wrong as every Kit fox can carry ECM as long as they take the C Arm. So for lights the Clans currently have 8 ECM lights. Not every Spider can take a ECM. Now I'm fine with Clans having an ECM Heavy. Just because one group has X,Y or Z doesn't mean the other must have it too. I would like to see a larger verity of IS ECM mechs though.

Read correctly please, CHASSIS not VARIANT.

[clanwolf3050]

Vanguard836, on 25 February 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

Read correctly please, CHASSIS not VARIANT.

You said mechs, not Chassis. MWO treats each variant as its own mech. But I'm not arguing your point.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Bobzilla, on 25 February 2015 - 04:39 PM, said:

IS had/has more ecm, nobody cared.

Isn't that because most of the IS ECM mechs are unremarkable or trash tier?

IS:
Commando 2D = Trash
Spider 5D = Rubbish
Locust PB = Lolcust
Raven 3L = Good
Cicada 3M = Meh
Atlas DDC = OK

Kitfox = Eh
Mist Lynx = Trash
Cheetah = god-tier (pure conjecture)
Shadow Cat = Solid (pure conjecture)
Hellbringer = Excellent

As far as having ECM mechs that can actually bring a payload to the front lines, the comparison between the two sides is looking pretty scary when Wave 3 hits.

[Leeroy Mechkins]

Heavy is the best type of chassis to carry an ECM.
They survive long, have plenty of tonnage so 1 or 1.5 tons for ECM is not much of a problem, and are far easier to fit into dropdecks than assaults.

How many players can spare 100 tons out for 240 for an Atlas D-DC? 140 tons left for 3 mechs is pathetic.
However, 65 tons out of 240 for a Hellslinger is extremely easy to accept. 175 is still plenty left over for 3 mechs.

Edited by Leeroy Mechkins, 25 February 2015 - 05:55 PM.

[Mcgral18]

clanwolf3050, on 25 February 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

Your counts are wrong as every Kit fox can carry ECM as long as they take the C Arm. So for lights the Clans currently have 8 ECM lights. Not every Spider can take a ECM. Now I'm fine with Clans having an ECM Heavy. Just because one group has X,Y or Z doesn't mean the other must have it too. I would like to see a larger verity of IS ECM mechs though.

You could also argue that all Clan light variants are the same mech. There is absolutely no difference between them. You're making a pretty poor attempt to justify that.

[El Bandito]

Unlike Hellbringer, the D-DC is just a waste of tonnage. Atlas armor buff please, PGI.

Mcgral18, on 25 February 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

You could also argue that all Clan light variants are the same mech. There is absolutely no difference between them. You're making a pretty poor attempt to justify that.

But you still have to buy and elite three of those expensive buggers. Such injustice...

Edited by El Bandito, 25 February 2015 - 08:34 PM.

[clanwolf3050]

Mcgral18, on 25 February 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

You could also argue that all Clan light variants are the same mech. There is absolutely no difference between them. You're making a pretty poor attempt to justify that.

For the most part Clan mech can be one and the same, a few exceptions. Remmember when dual AC/20 Jagers where all the rage. Some would ask for a Jager build and the main answer was two Ac/20... Clans can do the same thing. My point is that players running a Mech that can take ECM do so. Every Kit Fox and Hellbringer I have has ECM.

Edited by clanwolf3050, 25 February 2015 - 07:24 PM.

[Mcgral18]

clanwolf3050, on 25 February 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

For the most part Clan mech can be one and the same, a few exceptions. Remmember when dual AC/20 Jagers where all the rage. Some would ask for a Jager build and the main answer was two Ac/20... Clans can do the same thing. My point is that every Mech that can have ECM player tend to take it. Every Kit Fox and Hellbringer I have has ECM.

And they count as one mech, not three or four. They aren't unique, while a Spider and a Atlas are.


You're working an agenda when you say something like that.

[clanwolf3050]

Mcgral18, on 25 February 2015 - 07:20 PM, said:

And they count as one mech, not three or four. They aren't unique, while a Spider and a Atlas are.


You're working an agenda when you say something like that.

There are 4 Kit Fox variants each may take an ECM. Spiders 1 variant that can ECM, not all variants. There is the difference. But again, I'm OK with it. Personally I would like to see an IS mech with ECM, that is not a Atlas, and not build for speed. I would be happy to take a Medium.

[Vanguard836]

clanwolf3050, on 25 February 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

There are 4 Kit Fox variants each may take an ECM. Spiders 1 variant that can ECM, not all variants. There is the difference. But again, I'm OK with it. Personally I would like to see an IS mech with ECM, that is not a Atlas, and not build for speed. I would be happy to take a Medium.

That's an interesting point, most IS ECM capable mechs are ment to go fast, or it's in their best interest to go fast if you will.

Edited by Vanguard836, 25 February 2015 - 07:57 PM.

[luxebo]

FupDup, on 25 February 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Streaks could maybe target aimed-at body parts instead of being randomized for Clans.

Nonononononononono. No one-shot 360 no scope stormcrows that can insta-target the head from 500 meters away. That will completely one-side gameplay.

[Hades Trooper]

Kevjack, on 25 February 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

But can you actually list any advantages to choosing a 100 ton DDC, over the 65 ton Hellbringer?

How about 35 tonnes of them

[clanwolf3050]

Vanguard836, on 25 February 2015 - 07:56 PM, said:

That's an interesting point, most IS ECM capable mechs are ment to go fast, or it's in their best interest to go fast if you will.

Yup that is why I'm Suggesting...

clanwolf3050, on 25 February 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

...the GRF-2N the SLDF's Royal Griffin 55 tons and introduced in 2751.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Griffin

Just something a friend showed me. Doesn't have to be this one, but the idea is the same. A IS mech that can stay keep up with the group, fight, take some damage, and not stick out like sore thumb, *cough* Atlas *cough*. Clans should have an ECM heavy, hell in many ways I think they could use an assault ECM mech. I Love my Hellbringer, it can stay with the team, hit the enemy good, and not get one shoted I just want something similar for my IS mechs. Many Mediums work, Heavies, or Lighter assaults, just something. I'm not picky, I like Griffins so that is my first choice, also its is in the lore in the right time table.

Edited by clanwolf3050, 25 February 2015 - 08:18 PM.

[EGG]

I'm not sure why clanners are trying to turn this into a CW balance issue, more mechs is more mechs for everyone.

I say give us a STK-3Fb.

[clanwolf3050]

EGG, on 25 February 2015 - 08:29 PM, said:

I'm not sure why clanners are trying to turn this into a CW balance issue, more mechs is more mechs for everyone.

I say give us a STK-3Fb.

I didn't know about the Stalker ECM. It has the same problem as the Atlas in my mind, SLOW. I like the thinking.