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[Ironwithin]

Shiverwolf, on 27 February 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

This guy sounds like someone named baby jesus in the past. Had to kill him in his firedstarter after he shot 3 ppcs into my dire wolf's back not even 30 seconds into the match.

Enter Random dude going "YOU NOT DEM COPS!!!11 STOPPPP TK!"

[Scout Derek]

Permission to find this guy and Kill him consistently?

[NetherlightWolf]

If he pops up on my team ever. Go for it! I'll even shut down and grab popcorn while you do so.

[Dawnstealer]

Phaeric Cyrh, on 27 February 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

It should only take 1. PGI should be able to look at this guy's account and see an outrageous amount of team kills/damage and suspend his account.

The point being, it shouldn't have to even bother PGI. They could easily implement a mechanism in the game to deal with someone committing this level of team killing. It could even automatically suspend the account if it happens enough. Then let it escalate to PGI support to judge it on a case by case basis, re-enabling the account if it was deemed to have happened in error, or if there was some other mitigating circumstance (my 3 year old got on my acct, etc.. )

I agree with this, but the one problem is that you might have a new player that doesn't get the arm reticle vs torso reticle and kills a teammate that way. Or just doesn't realize that team damage is a thing in this game.

And then they're banned and have no idea why.

But someone that has a few TKs and a ton of Team Damage...there has to be some sort of threshold.

[Tarogato]

When we eventually do get Steam, we need an automated way to deal with teamkillers.

Griefers will relish in the fact that it requires an EMAIL to SUPPORT for PGI to MANUALLY investigate EACH CASE before enacted a ban or suspension.

Trust me, they will come, and they will be griefing. We need to iron out an automated system now, before it happens.

[Nightmare1]

I've had trouble with TK'ers in the past. I really can't stand them.

More recently I've been noticing a shift though. Instead of outright TK'ing, I'm starting to see more of the "Assume Command, jumble lances, and disappear to the far corner of the map" or "injure/cripple them and run" style plays. Had two guys do it a earlier this week. One assumed Command, jumbled my 10-man's lance composition, and then hightailed it across the map to hide while we tried to figure out what had happened. Some of our pilots including myself (I was Drop Commander that match) had been disco'ed, so we didn't get to grab Command before he did. Couple the discos with the confusion and we didn't have time to re-orient to meet the enemy onslaught. We lost.

...And the yahoo had the audacity to cuss us out the whole time for losing the match because it was our "responsibility" as a premade to win for him. He even had his own Unit tag named after his pilot name; it was disgusting.

Another match, one of my lancemates had a friendly Banshee deliberately shoot off his Victor's Gauss Rifle, essentially nailing his main weapon. The Banshee then ignored him the rest of the match, and my buddy didn't have the firepower or armor to do anything about it (he had been front-lining while the Banshee had been hiding). The rest of us were too heavily engaged to try to punish the Banshee pilot.

I used to have more patience for this sort of stuff, but after seeing a pilot recently who has attempted to TK me before (unsuccessfully) still playing, it kind of broke my faith in PGI's ability to punish these reprobates.

[Harathan]

It's like we're on Steam already.

[Alexander Garden]

Reports have been received, moderation staff has done what they do.

Please respect the name-and-shame rules of the forum.

[Nightmare1]

Tarogato, on 27 February 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

When we eventually do get Steam, we need an automated way to deal with teamkillers.

Griefers will relish in the fact that it requires an EMAIL to SUPPORT for PGI to MANUALLY investigate EACH CASE before enacted a ban or suspension.

Trust me, they will come, and they will be griefing. We need to iron out an automated system now, before it happens.

I'm all for that! TKs can happen by accident (I've done it before, I'm embarrassed to admit), but intentional TK'ers will have a much higher incidence rate than the accidental TK'ers. Someone mentioned previously that a ratio of TKs to normal Ks could be a metric. Frankly, I think it's a good idea. For example, I've had maybe a dozen TKs in all the time I've played this game, most of which are against attempted TK'ers, so my TK per K ratio would be extremely low. Compare this to the pilot named and shamed previously who apparently has a significant number of TKs, and his ratio would be statistically high. An automated system could then lock him out of the game for a month or so while differentiating from me, who has a low ratio, and allowing me to continue playing.

There isn't a lot that can be done about alt accounts, but the good news is that ratios are irrespective of the magnitude of the two numbers (TK:K) involved, so as soon as the TK'er hits that fraction mark, his alt will get locked too.

[Harathan]

Alexander Garden, on 27 February 2015 - 12:12 PM, said:

Reports have been received, moderation staff has done what they do.

Please respect the name-and-shame rules of the forum.

With all due respect, it begs the question as to why it took a naming and shaming on the forum for it to be acted upon, regardless of how grateful we are that it has been.

Edited by Harathan, 27 February 2015 - 12:19 PM.

[Alexander Garden]

Harathan, on 27 February 2015 - 12:19 PM, said:

With all due respect, it begs the question as to why it took a naming and shaming on the forum for it to be acted upon, regardless of how grateful we are that it has been.

It was dealt with before any of us saw this post.

[Rogue Jedi]

I think I have 8 accidental team kills, usualy due to pilots walking between me and a target I am firing at.

I have reported team killers several times, and for each of those reports I received a response from support saying they are monitoring or have dealt with the situation.

screenshot it, report it with any relevant details e.g.
a player called xXIAmAnEvilTeamKillerXx killed my Shadow Cat Mk II in his Templar then ran our of bounds leaving our team 2 Mechs down within 30 seconds of game start on the 30th of Febuary 2025 on the map "Forrest Colony summer evening" at 25:02GMT, see the 3 attached screenshots

that is a fictionalized account based on a few Team Kill matches I have had, I really did report someone with a name including TeamKiller, yes people really have put "team killer" in there pilot name.

report people and PGI will deal with it, but a single report will not result in a ban, and it will not happen immediately.

[PhoenixFire55]

One thing that always annoyed me the most on this forums in the 'no-name-and-shame' rule. Really PGI? Dude TK's people all day and you DON'T ban him and DON'T let us post here so everyone knows about it?
Fkn brilliant ...

[NetherlightWolf]

I admit aside from the one I had to deliberately TK to preserve the rest of my assault's armor due to him trying to TK me and others, the other TKs were always on accident and I try to apologize at least if the situation permits. Thankfully most that I've accidently shot or TKed were pretty understanding.

Most of them said something along the lines of: 'No worries, I should've known better than try to pass in front of a firing Dire Wolf.' or my personal favorite, 'Crossing in front of an engaged Dire Wolf, this kills the crab.' That one I felt bad but at least got a chuckle out of it.

[Iothil]

Alexander Garden, on 27 February 2015 - 12:12 PM, said:

Reports have been received, moderation staff has done what they do.

Please respect the name-and-shame rules of the forum.

I am very sorry, but what? I have been hearing complaints about people who have been directly attacked in game and on the forum page that reported more than once, and PGI did NOTHING. I used the report function myself in the forum and, surprise, nothing happened. So why is it ok for certain people to directly attack (by naming and calling people names) others but others getting reprimanded because they are sick and tired of such **** as in game TKing and or forum mobbing? So much for respecting name and shame...

But back to the topic: When people hit me in the back constantly, because they are too stupid to see that I am standing before them (not moving) and they still try to shoot the red triangle on the other side of me I usually respond with a warning alpha in the center, after a short msg in chat. If people keep the act up, I TK them as they are usually grinding down armour, heatsinks or even weapons. Funny thing is, such people tend to follow you around and are ALWAYS in your back, so that should be a TK for reasons of self-preservation

Edited by Iothil, 27 February 2015 - 04:20 PM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

What some people are missing here (at least on the 1st page) is that every report needs to be cross checked to see if the reporter has a history of false/malicious/baseless reports. Not a clue what their CS software is or how helpful it is so may not be an easy process to see a players history. Also it may not be possible for them to sort or rank players by the number of reports. Oh and as to auto-bans, it could never happen that a large unit would flood CS with false reports.

At work so this is probably a bit rambling especially since on my phone as well. Bottom line is you can't assume it takes 30 seconds to pull up a players history and see it all laid out just because the technology exists. I work for a Metropolitan city govt and while we wait for the System Center upgrade we still use the clunky old system to monitor reported issues etc. So even s multimillion dollar budget doesn't mean the latest and greatest toolset.

[Harathan]

Iothil, on 27 February 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

I am very sorry, but what? I have been hearing complaints about people who have been directly attacked in game and on the forum page that reported more than once, and PGI did NOTHING. I used the report function myself in the forum and, surprise, nothing happened. So why is it ok for certain people to directly attack (by naming and calling people names) others but others getting reprimanded because they are sick and tired of such **** as in game TKing and or forum mobbing? So much for respecting name and shame...

You haven't heard? You're allowed to troll all you like, in-game and on-forum, as long as you claim you're Role-Playing.

[Iothil]

Nick Makiaveli, on 27 February 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

What some people are missing here (at least on the 1st page) is that every report needs to be cross checked to see if the reporter has a history of false/malicious/baseless reports. Not a clue what their CS software is or how helpful it is so may not be an easy process to see a players history. Also it may not be possible for them to sort or rank players by the number of reports. Oh and as to auto-bans, it could never happen that a large unit would flood CS with false reports.

At work so this is probably a bit rambling especially since on my phone as well. Bottom line is you can't assume it takes 30 seconds to pull up a players history and see it all laid out just because the technology exists. I work for a Metropolitan city govt and while we wait for the System Center upgrade we still use the clunky old system to monitor reported issues etc. So even s multimillion dollar budget doesn't mean the latest and greatest toolset.

So basically, if I behave all the time and I report someone for being a **** once it is ok. If that is ignored and I keep reporting they ignore you for "abusive" reporting. Circle Paradox, error 404 logic not found. Sorry, that is not personally against you, but from personal experience, from friends and me, PGI and mods are doing way too little about real trolls or genuine douchebags who ruin the game/forum for others just for want of wit. And they could simply link the goddamn report button to the forum post (which holds the harassment/trolling), or not ignore posted screenshots of ingame harassment, that would save a lot of time.

Harathan, on 27 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

You haven't heard? You're allowed to troll all you like, in-game and on-forum, as long as you claim you're Role-Playing.

I have to remember that one, thank you, Sir!

Edited by Iothil, 27 February 2015 - 04:41 PM.

[Appogee]

I always screenshot and send a report to PGI when I see a TKer at work. Always. We have a mutual responsibility to each others to not let these jerks get away with it.

Now, I'd rather take matters into my own hands and perform vigilante justice. However, I respect the moderators' requests that I don't.

[Iothil]

Appogee, on 27 February 2015 - 05:07 PM, said:

I always screenshot and send a report to PGI when I see a TKer at work. Always. We have a mutual responsibility to each others to not let these jerks get away with it.

Now, I'd rather take matters into my own hands and perform vigilante justice. However, I respect the moderators' requests that I don't.

Exactly, but when they obviously don't do their job in so many cases? Again, this is not a theoretical discussion for me, there were/are people who have been reported for actively and CONSTANTLY violating name and shame, falsifying quotes, and then even threaten to report you if you answer them or quote them for you harassing them. So how can that be? PGI and the mods cannot tell me that these players are so vital to this game that they cannot be banned, but obviously if you stick around long enough and shove enough money into the game, everyone looks the other way if you go out of your way being an annoying, abusive, infantile and aggressive little derp. Such people break communities in the sense that people follow their example because they can see that they get away with, simple as that, and even if you teamkill them, they can still be more than a nuisance in the forum. So again, why are PGI and the mods not taking any action whatsoever?