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[sneeking]

Drakuba, on 03 March 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

I like survivability in mech, having both arms blown away, liping with one leg, side torsos practicaly gone and still fighting, thats what im looking for ...

If played right a cent can do this with an xl

Edited by sneeking, 03 March 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Kmieciu]

Shadowhawk is very XL friendly, to the point that it's faster to go through the legs in order to disable it. My favourite brawler build is the 2D2 with XL280 4xSRM4 and AC10. It has 20 DPS (7.3 sustained), it can jump in order to spread damage it's arms soak up a great deal of damage.

If you want a medium that can do it all, go for the Shadowhawk.

A Hunchback can do everything, except jump jets.

[StraferX]

Drakuba, on 03 March 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

I like survivability in mech, having both arms blown away, liping with one leg, side torsos practicaly gone and still fighting, thats what im looking for Im not much of a fan of XL engines and i almost never use them (except catapults).
I like to brawl, close range brawls are one of the most entertaining things i found on this game and i always looking forward to those brawls on the end of a round.
But how about overall survivability? I remember seing cents without arms and only with one torso roaming the map almost all the time in beta, does hawks have similar durability?
JJ are fine, but medium mechs are fast enough so its not that high on my list

and yeah, i totaly forgot about hunchbacks, but i remember them being "dehunched" all the time, hence almost useless...

What you just described is a stock YLW IMHO. This is the first mech I bought because of the c~bill bonus and man I still love it and use it quite frequently. It is a beast in close range, takes a beating and can dish out a ton of damage. With todays uber high alpha one must be a bit more careful who you face tank because an 100pt alpha is devastating to any mech no matter how much you torso twist.

I must ask why the AC-20? while it is a great weapon there are other very good combinations that work great at close range. Personally I would recommend the Griffin over the Shadowhawk. Specifically the 3M with 4 SRM4 and 2ML 2JJ 4 ton ammo and Xl360 ~ this gives you a fast tanky jumpy skirmisher that is very agile and can dart in and out close range and wear down the biggest mechs in the game in short order and can take the lunch money from any light.

The Shadowhawk is a good mech and I use them but that gun mounted right in my face distracts me. The play style between the Centurion vs Grf and SHD is very different. Another hero mech that I have found to be a ton of fun is the Grf-1e as an energy boat is very capable of 1000dmg matches, not quite as tanky as a cent but strong.

Wanted to add that any medium pilot worth his salt should have a full deck of cents, griffings and Shads.

Edited by StraferX, 03 March 2015 - 04:09 AM.

[Drakuba]

I dont have to pack AC20 all the time, i just like the posibility of having it.
Now to think of it, hawk seems too big for me (if i wanted a big mech i'd bought another heavy) but im starting to like hunchback... whos bigger? hunchback or cent?

[sneeking]

Cent has bigger arms hunch is bigger central mass.

[KharnZor]

Drakuba, on 03 March 2015 - 03:01 AM, said:

and yeah, i totaly forgot about hunchbacks, but i remember them being "dehunched" all the time, hence almost useless...

Hunchback 4G is currently the best IS medium at the moment imo. Dat AC20 kills everything from Direwolfs down in a matter of moments.

[Chagatay]

El Bandito, on 03 March 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

If you have HBK-4G, you wouldn't need any of those. HBK is smaller, has more armor on the gun placement, has INSANE AC20 quirks.

I am not sure. While I started with Hutch and have had plenty of awesome games, I think the Cent is overall the better rounded combatant when ran with a standard engine and good twisting*. Just sucks that it no longer has bay doors.....

*Hutch may beat it on offense but centurion has it beat in spades on defense.

Edited by Chagatay, 03 March 2015 - 04:46 AM.

[Porcorosso101]

Well if its 50 v 50 tonne - then try the Hunchie! It has 6 cool different variants with amazing quirks. Cannons, missiles and lasers.

Yes its centre mass is larger, but it is shorter. It can also go zombie mode.

[sneeking]

Bay doors need to come back.

Bay door conditions need applying to crabs arms as well.

[Soulscour]

Chagatay, on 03 March 2015 - 04:44 AM, said:

*Hutch may beat it on offense but centurion has it beat in spades on defense.

I have to disagree here. It really depends on the skill level of the player. It is way easier to hit the AC20 arm off of the centurion than it is the hunchback when torso twisting is correctly done. Before my AC20 hunch is taken, my entire other side has been blown off, and my CT is red. The opposite is true for the centurion.

[Creovex]

@OP
forget them both, get an enforcer

[Drakuba]

man this is hard... i saw those 4G quirks, and with AC20 reload module...wow
Also his variants are mostly diferent from one another, that i like. They also have 125° torso turn each, while cents difer from 90° to 110°. But cent have larger arms => better shields... its 50-50 in my eyes
Ill have to flip a c-bill or something

[sneeking]

I have an enforcer ( I have three ) I still prefer my cents.

Edited by sneeking, 03 March 2015 - 05:13 AM.

[Creovex]

sneeking, on 03 March 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

I have an enforcer ( I have three ) I still prefer my cents.

You are doing it wrong

[sneeking]

Panther is more my style

[Drakuba]

I definitely want medium, lights are not my cup of tea... I have champion raven and adder-prime (i dont play raven and adder feels more like medium anyway)
I also saw few enforcers, but they didnt seems as interesting as cents or hunches did

Clan medium dont realy catched my eye either. Maybe storm crow, but that one feels too large and other one have weird weapon points

Edited by Drakuba, 03 March 2015 - 05:35 AM.

[Chagatay]

Soulscour, on 03 March 2015 - 04:57 AM, said:

I have to disagree here. It really depends on the skill level of the player. It is way easier to hit the AC20 arm off of the centurion than it is the hunchback when torso twisting is correctly done. Before my AC20 hunch is taken, my entire other side has been blown off, and my CT is red. The opposite is true for the centurion.

I am fairly certain I can hit that torso from any angle even if the left side is facing me (right side torso juts out still and can be shot from top, front, or back take your pick) . The other glaring problem is that the hunchies arms don't shield it at all.

Sure the Centurion arm makes a good target (it does jut out abit as well) on a Cent but it is very hard to hit if you are twisted 90 to the left (that shield arm is huge). The arm issue is usually not an issue for me though as I am using the Cent A variant with SRMs.....(damn you PGI and bay doors).

Edited by Chagatay, 03 March 2015 - 05:39 AM.

[sneeking]

Yes we do want our bay doors back !

[mogs01gt]

Same thing everyone else has said. The Cent and Shawk are the best IS mediums have to offer in MWO. I pilot them both, I've owned them all but kept the AH and Gray Death.

The chassis are two different play styles. One is more of a mid to long range "sniping" mech and the other is a mid to close range brawler.

One down side of the Cent is that you get used to having a shield arm. If you are piloting a Cent and switch to another mech, you have to change up your torso twisting a bit.

[Thorqemada]

Honestly - if you do not want jumpjet get a Hunchback and if you do want jumpjet get a Shadow Hawk - the Centurion is the weakest of this Mechs as you have to expose the most of your Mech to shot and the CN9 Main-Armament in the Right Arm is still way more vulnerable than the Torso-Weapons in the HBK or SHD.

Quirks and/or 3d-Gameplay-Reality stomped over the Centurion and left a mere Shadow from what was once a Durability-Monster.