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[Andi Nagasia]

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Cimarb ‏@cimarbs 2h2 hours ago
@russ_bullock can you tell us the 4 Clan mechs that will get quirks yet?

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 2h2 hours ago
@cimarbs I can try via memory - gargoyle, summoner, adder, ice ferret

so the 4 Clan mechs who are getting Quirked first Are!,
gargoyle, summoner, adder, ice ferret,


Ok so i get the Summoner and the Adder,
both are both deserving and needing of Quirked improvements,
they could really become effective mechs with the right love,

But, the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret,
they arnt too good, but i would think the WarHawk and Nova are worse,
(this statement is that i feel Wave1 should get looked at before Wave2)
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the Gargoyle is fast for a Assault, though it has the armament of a medium,
but as an Energy boat it boat better than a Novas all with better with more armor,
it also has a having a good amount of hard points, even though it only has 21Free Tons,
it maybe inferior to the WarHawk in some ways but it can run more weapons and go faster,
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the Ice Ferret isnt the best ether but it is currently the fastest clan mech,
and can work well as a light chaser hunter, as well as a sniper if needed,

now im not saying the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret are fine,
just perhaps the WarHawk and Nova would have been better choices,
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their is still a chance that Russ remembered wrong and we are getting one of those,
but its not likely at this time, hopefully we will get them in the patch after next,
however as the next patch after the 17 will be the 7th, its about a month off,


Also why these 4?

Soy, on 04 March 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 20m20 minutes ago
@AndiNagasia @pBiggZz @cimarbs look we flat out based it on 4 least played - boom.

well i cant argue with that, but still want my nova Quirkeded,....


so your what are your thoughts do you see these 4 are the worst of the clans?

Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks,

Edit- Gargoyle statement retracted,
Edit2- Russ on why these 4

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 04 March 2015 - 09:01 PM.

[FupDup]

The MLX is worse than the ADR, but I think they chose the ADR because of the recent challenge giving them away to people...

[Brody319]

Praise the Great and mighty Russ for Blessing the Gargoyle!

[Rhent]

Andi Nagasia, on 04 March 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

so the 4 Clan mechs who are getting Quirked first Are!,
gargoyle, summoner, adder, ice ferret,


Ok so i get the Summoner and the Adder,
both are both deserving and needing of Quirked improvements,
they could really become effective mechs with the right love,

But, the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret,
they arnt too good, but i would think the WarHawk and Nova are worse,
-
the Gargoyle is fast for a Assault, though it has the armament of a medium,
but as an Energy boat it does the Novas job but better with more armor,
having a good amount of hard points and even though its low, 21Tons,
-
the Ice Ferret isnt the best ether but it is currently the fastest clan mech,
and can work well as a light chaser hunter, as well as a sniper if needed,

now im not saying the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret are fine,
just perhaps the WarHawk and Nova would have been better choices,
-
their is still a chance that Russ remembered wrong and we are getting one of those,
but its not likely at this time, hopefully we will get them in the patch after next,
however as the next patch after the 17 will be the 7th, its about a month off,

so your what are your thoughts do you see these 4 are the worst of the clans?

Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks,

The gargoyle is perhaps the worse mech in the clan arsenal, it needs quirks and lots of them. It is slightly slower than the madcat and carries significantly less free tonnage. Its an all around bad mech chassis.

[Brody319]

Rhent, on 04 March 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

The gargoyle is perhaps the worse mech in the clan arsenal, it needs quirks and lots of them. It is slightly slower than the madcat and carries significantly less free tonnage. Its an all around bad mech chassis.

same speed as the madcat.
with max armor is only has 20 tons to use.

[Asyres]

The Nova and the Ice Ferret are debatable, but the Warhawk and the Gargoyle? Look, the Warhawk has issues, but at least it functions as an assault. The Gargoyle is an Assault with the speed of a heavy and the firepower of a medium. Sure, it's technically got the armor of an assault - barely - but it's also massive. I can't think of a Clan chassis more deserving of quirks than the Gargoyle.

[Macksheen]

Surprises me, as I don't think the Summoner and Adder are as bad as some of the others

[Andi Nagasia]

Rhent, on 04 March 2015 - 07:37 PM, said:

The gargoyle is perhaps the worse mech in the clan arsenal, it needs quirks and lots of them. It is slightly slower than the madcat and carries significantly less free tonnage. Its an all around bad mech chassis.

same speed as the Nova as well but also it can do the novas job more efficiently,
with the armor of an assault as well as some Zombie'ing capabilities,

[Lucian Nostra]

Andi Nagasia, on 04 March 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

so the 4 Clan mechs who are getting Quirked first Are!,
gargoyle, summoner, adder, ice ferret,


Ok so i get the Summoner and the Adder,
both are both deserving and needing of Quirked improvements,
they could really become effective mechs with the right love,

But, the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret,
they arnt too good, but i would think the WarHawk and Nova are worse,
-
the Gargoyle is fast for a Assault, though it has the armament of a medium,
but as an Energy boat it does the Novas job but better with more armor,
having a good amount of hard points and even though its low, 21Tons,
-
the Ice Ferret isnt the best ether but it is currently the fastest clan mech,
and can work well as a light chaser hunter, as well as a sniper if needed,

now im not saying the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret are fine,
just perhaps the WarHawk and Nova would have been better choices,
-
their is still a chance that Russ remembered wrong and we are getting one of those,
but its not likely at this time, hopefully we will get them in the patch after next,
however as the next patch after the 17 will be the 7th, its about a month off,

so your what are your thoughts do you see these 4 are the worst of the clans?

Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks,

Are you smoking crack? You think the Warhawk is in a worse place the the Gargoyle?

The Gargoyle is fast and that is all it has going for it. it's a mech I want to love but I just can't it's terrbile. The Warhawk is fast enough and packs weaponry the Gargoyle can only dream of.

the ice fridge is in the same class, it's quick but who cares it hits like a three year old in a pillow fight. At least the Nova can kill something.

As for Adder over Mist Lynx? because at least the Lynx is small and quick.. There is no reason for the Adder to be taken over the Kit Fox.

[Deathlike]

From the mechs picked, 2 of them are from the Wave 2 pack. It says as much that is needed to be said. Mist Lynx is still bad despite the quirks (and let's not discuss the terrible stock Prime build that is in the trial rotation, because it needs not to be said).

The Summoner is probably a Bishop Steiner endorsement/headache/complaint line/heads up so, I'm sure he'll be a tad more jolly to hear that. The thing it needs first and firemost is an arm durability increase. That's the best I can come up with.

The Ice Ferret suffers most from being "too hot" IMO from mostly energy weapons. Its loadout is has the tonnage of like a Spider (think about that for a moment) and trying to rely on energy weapons on it is rather problematic as a 45-tonner.

The Gargoyle needs massive help... it is best served for more energy heat reduction buffs. In order to run 6 ER Medium Lasers on even the Gargoyle-C, you'd need realistically like 20 DHS worth of cooling to start having a real effect. That's a serious problem.

The Adder needs some cooling help on the whole, but most of the quirks that are needed are in the durability section like in the legs or even arms. Even just ERPPC velocity quirks are very much necessary there (I mean why even bother with the Prime?)

Those are my initial thoughts to the news. Let me not talk more about the terrible mechs in question though. Thanks.

[Asyres]

Andi Nagasia, on 04 March 2015 - 07:45 PM, said:

same speed as the Nova as well but also it can do the novas job more efficiently,
with the armor of an assault as well as some Zombie'ing capabilities,

More efficiently... for the low, low cost of thirty tons. That's a very specific definition of efficient you've got there.

[Soy]

Summoner.......... nice.

[Andi Nagasia]

Asyres, on 04 March 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

More efficiently... for the low, low cost of thirty tons. That's a very specific definition of efficient you've got there.

i under stand its an assault and the nova is a Medium, but the Gargoyle is still the fastest assault,
with some builds it can out do a warHawk with energy weapons, the WHK is better with Missiles,
in CW it may not be worth the weight, but in pugs it can Nascar with the best of them, +armor,

[LT. HARDCASE]

You are bugging if you think the Gargoyle is better than the Warhawk.

[Brody319]

Kevjack, on 04 March 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

You are bugging if you think the Gargoyle is better than the Warhawk.

I like the gargoyle more than the Warhawk

but it is worse.

[Wintersdark]

Yeah, the Warhawk isn't a great mech, but it's at least functional; far superior to the Gargoyle. The Gargoyle is at least a contender for the worst clan mech for tonnage. The Mist Lynx is a much worse mech, as is the Ice Fridge, but at least they are light.

The Gargoyle, though? 20t payload on an Assault mech moving at "fast" (read: Fast for an Assault), 89kph? A Stormcrow runs at 107kph and sports a 23t payload, better hardpoints and better hitboxes, at 25 tons less.

When Medium mechs move faster, carry more guns in better hardpoints, in a smaller frame with better hitboxes? The armor advantage is irrelevant.

I'll take that further: Armor is worth very little in MWO. It's not without value (there's a reason everyone maxes armor all the time!) but if you're under heavy fire, you're pretty much screwed no matter what. I'd ALWAYS rather have a Stormcrow on my team than a Gargoyle. Even doing things like leading a push? Stormcrow. The Gargoyle is a tremendous waste of tonnage. Trading payload space, cooling, speed, and hitboxes for a little bit of armor is absurd.

More than any other, IMHO, the Gargoyle needs quirks badly. Lots. I don't even know where to begin.

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The Adder is probably the best of the bad Clan mechs, when played properly (read: As a low-tonnage medium mech). The Adder can bring a substantial amount of firepower, particularly given it's drop weight. Spladders can deal tremendous damage, energy based Adders can poke reasonably well. Still, some sturdiness based quirks would go a long way, as it's also a medium sized mech: Adders are very easy to put down right now, while being too hot to be proper Glass Cannons.

I'd like to see the Adder gain a fair bit of ST and Leg structure, and reduced heat on Energy or Missile weapons (depending on omnipod/chassis/however Clan Quirks are working.

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The Summoner? It's pretty bad. Not terrible, but it does suck. 21t of pod space is not good for a 70t mech, particularly one that lacks the hardpoints to take several lighter weapons. Too little tonnage for heavy weapons, too few hardpoints for several lighter weapons.

The Summoner's advantage is that it's very tanky, quite solid really. The Summoner could be a good to great mech. More than quirks, it needs ES (and ideally FF) unlocked, but I think that's not going to happen. The Summoner needs substantial jump jet quirks to make the very precious and limited tonnage invested in them worthwhile. It also needs to have it's few hardpoints gain substantial buffs, so it can use single heavy weapons effectively enough to be worthwhile. A quirk applying only to one energy hardpoint that dramatically improves an ERPPC, for example, would do very well.

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The Ice Fridge? It's awful. I don't see how they'll make it good, but don't know enough about it or care enough about it to figure it out. At least the Adder is a low-tonnage Medium; an asset in drop deck construction. The Ice Fridge is a high-tonnage light: Paying more tonnage for Spider firepower is pathetic.

Andi Nagasia, on 04 March 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

i under stand its an assault and the nova is a Medium, but the Gargoyle is still the fastest assault,
with some builds it can out do a warHawk with energy weapons, the WHK is better with Missiles,
in CW it may not be worth the weight, but in pugs it can Nascar with the best of them, +armor,

Even in PUGs, being able to play Nascar doesn't make a mech good. In every case, a Stormcrow would be more of an asset to a team than a Gargoyle. The Stormcrow will last as long, deal more damage, move faster, and keep an Assault slot open for a mech that sucks less.

Edited by Wintersdark, 04 March 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

guys im not trying to pick a fight on chassis,
just that with its speed it can be useful im not saying its good,
perhaps i just expected wave1 mechs to get quirks first,
Adder, -Nova-, Summoner, -Warhawk-,

[Kain Demos]

Andi Nagasia, on 04 March 2015 - 07:32 PM, said:

so the 4 Clan mechs who are getting Quirked first Are!,
gargoyle, summoner, adder, ice ferret,


Ok so i get the Summoner and the Adder,
both are both deserving and needing of Quirked improvements,
they could really become effective mechs with the right love,

But, the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret,
they arnt too good, but i would think the WarHawk and Nova are worse,
-
the Gargoyle is fast for a Assault, though it has the armament of a medium,
but as an Energy boat it does the Novas job but better with more armor,
having a good amount of hard points and even though its low, 21Tons,
-
the Ice Ferret isnt the best ether but it is currently the fastest clan mech,
and can work well as a light chaser hunter, as well as a sniper if needed,

now im not saying the Gargoyle and Ice Ferret are fine,
just perhaps the WarHawk and Nova would have been better choices,
-
their is still a chance that Russ remembered wrong and we are getting one of those,
but its not likely at this time, hopefully we will get them in the patch after next,
however as the next patch after the 17 will be the 7th, its about a month off,

so your what are your thoughts do you see these 4 are the worst of the clans?

Thoughts, Comments, Concerns?
Thanks,

I guess we all are different then. To me the Gargoyle is MILES and MILES worse tahn the Warhawk.

Honestly, I think the Warhawk is a very strong 'mech.

[Creovex]

I agree with this list. The Gargoyle would have been my first choice.

[Andi Nagasia]

OK OK OK im retracting my Gargoyle statements,
but i still think the Nova should be Quirked before the ice Ferret,